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I really appreciate you posting this. I never knew any of it. And I am glad you were able to recognize the symptoms and research it in time to get everyone out. Kudos to you for being quick on your feet. Glad everyone is ok.
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I had a very similar situation not too long ago. I was fragging a lot of Nuclear Greens and I had the exact same reaction but not as severe. It started with a runny itching nose and throat. Turned into a lot of sneezing and coughing. I went home, and the sneezing and coughing stopped. Shortly after eating dinner, I started to get the shivers and severe muscle aches in my lower back. I felt pretty crappy till the next day. It was either the Palys I fragged or the Flu shot I got the day before. Still not 100% sure which it was.
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I'm not a nooby and I was wearing gloves. I think the Palys toxin is much stronger than that of zoas.
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Thanks for sharing your experiences and I am grateful that everyone is doing better. I have some live rock some of my best pieces that are covered with aptisa's and a funny looking algae I was thinking about doing a bleach treatment I will not try the boiling treatment.
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01/13/2013, 01:39 AM | #31 |
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Sorry to hear that you guys are lucky Good info for anyone looking to clean there rocks
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I hate to read stories like this. The guy who accidently poisoned himself from our club still sufferes breathing difficulties.
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Be very careful with this route too, they remain dangerous even after being dried out. Heard one story awhile back of a guy's dog either getting extremely sick or dying after eating palys that had been dried out for a few weeks.
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I have a bunch of those Sea Foam green palys in my tank also many on rocks with lots of coral. Any natural predator that eats them (false cowrie, nudibranch, fish?) or is that a bad idea also?
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I have a bunch of those Sea Foam green palys in my tank also, many on rocks with lots of coral. Any natural predator that eats them (false cowrie, nudibranch, fish?) or is that a bad idea also?
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Just a comment on the muriatic acid mentioned in earlier posts. If anyone were to consider it, Make sure you use it OUTSIDE!! With nitrile gloves and eye protection. It is highly effective for organics on the rocks and phosphates in the rock but extremely caustic and dangerous without proper precautions.
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wow, I am glad everyone is ok! I read you should wear gloves and eye pro when handling Zoas but I had no idea. Very scary stuff, definitely glad you shared your experience I hope everyone reads your thread.
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I'm happy to hear that everyone is doing better! I've read similar stories here and always wear gloves and safety glasses when working with anything in my tank. My wife walked in one day when I was dipping some zoas fighting a nudibranch problem.
She started giving me a hard time about my safety gear. I then explained to her that some Zoanthids can contain Palytoxin, one of the most toxic organic substances on the planet. She proceeded to back away from what I was doing and asked if I should be wearing a mask of full face shield. |
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wow, thanks for the post, this can definately help others out. Glad to hear everyone is ok.
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This is crazy! Great post, very interesting. And scary, glad you are all alright.
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wow glad ure fine !
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Did you guys get the metal taste in your mouth? That’s one of the most common symptoms from Palytoxin poisoning.
I believe there is a good amount of people that actually boil rocks and IMO this is a mistake resulting from people hearing about the “cook the rock” procedure where you don’t literally cook the rock but rather place the rock in a dark container and do frequent water changes. The bacteria will consume all of the excess waste and purge the rock in the form of detritus. I'm glad you are ok and wish you and all your family a fast and full recovery. Last edited by ganjero; 01/14/2013 at 12:20 PM. |
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Palytoxin
A member in our reef club (NJRC) had taken a bunch of rock with the green palys on it and left it in a bucket outside for a year. When he went to get the rock there was a little water in the bucket which he dumped out and splashed on his arm giving him a chemical burn that scarred him. Nasty stuff!
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Thanks guys. It is much appreciated.
An update. Wife and I are doing well as are our dogs. We are both are around 95% recovered and the Muscle Pain from the violent coughing is subsiding. My lungs as well as Stefanies Lungs are a bit clogged like Broncitis. I am still suffering from headaches and sleepiness. I really should have taken the day off today, but I went into work anyhow. Someone asked if we tasted metal in our mouths. I dont recall in my case and Stefanie never mentioned it. |
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Thank you for sharing your story. I once put a live rock in the microwave to get rid of a worm. I will never do that again.
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Glad that everyone is ok...thank you for sharing..
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Glad that everyone is ok...thank you for sharing..
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Hey man, I'm glad to hear yourself, wife and 2 dogs are doing better. Thank you for posting your experiences. I've known about palytoxin for some time but I would have never guessed it could happen from boiling rocks. Thanks again.
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Definitely needs to be stickied. Glad to hear all is well.
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