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Old 06/27/2016, 08:52 PM   #3851
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Looking good so far. I'll get a sample under the scope tonight. By tomorrow night it should be a nice thick red mat.










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Old 06/27/2016, 08:55 PM   #3852
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High ammonia levels hurt dinos, but at numbers you wouldn't want to subject livestock to.
I think I read that 1ppm ammonia triggers dinos to form cysts.
One beaker of snotty dinos got better (no bubbles or strings) overnight after I put a couple of drops of miracle grow in.
Then I realized it was an ammonia party in the beaker and everything was dead.
Maybe dark+ammonia would kill them. It would certainly make them super unhappy.
Going through with this 14 day trial. 3 days of dosing metro. Would you suggest I stop carbon dosing all together? So far I've cut it in half.


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Old 06/27/2016, 09:21 PM   #3853
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Same here, jason. Tomorrow will be Day 5 of Metro.


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Old 06/27/2016, 09:23 PM   #3854
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Same here, jason. Tomorrow will be Day 5 of Metro.
That's great. Good luck.


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Old 06/27/2016, 09:40 PM   #3855
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Going through with this 14 day trial. 3 days of dosing metro. Would you suggest I stop carbon dosing all together? So far I've cut it in half.
Good question. I'm not going to cut carbon dosing entirely either, because I wasn't to see if the bacterial strings that show up in my sump due to my dosing are killed by metro or if those bacteria aren't targeted.
Tomorrow will be metro day 1 for me.


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Old 06/28/2016, 08:28 AM   #3856
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So an update on my side of things. Yesterday, I dipped a rock that was heavily covered in dino's in 50/50 3% peroxide and tank water. It bubbled and fizzed. I put the rock back in and the snails went all night going to town on this rock. It's extremely weird how they all flocked to it after I put it back in the tank.


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Old 06/28/2016, 04:14 PM   #3857
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Guys which Metro is everyone using, what dose, and do you have a good cheap source for large tank treatment?


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Old 06/28/2016, 04:28 PM   #3858
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Guys which Metro is everyone using, what dose, and do you have a good cheap source for large tank treatment?
100% Metronidazole, but I used MetroPlex (70% Metronidazole, 30% excipients) because I already had some on hand.

As for large tank treatment, there's a 100 gram jar on eBay for $37.90 shipped.


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Old 06/28/2016, 04:37 PM   #3859
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Edit: (Bad info, please disregard.)


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Old 06/28/2016, 04:40 PM   #3860
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Also, just a reminder that the dosage is 125mg per 10 gallons if it's 100% Metronidazole. If it's only 70% in the case of MetroPlex, dose accordingly.


This is why I am a little confused. I read 100mg/10g of pure metro, thus I figured dose increased for MetroPlex.


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Old 06/28/2016, 04:46 PM   #3861
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This is why I am a little confused. I read 100mg/10g of pure metro, thus I figured dose increased for MetroPlex.
Sorry, you're right, ignore me.

Either way, this stuff is completely safe if (reasonably) overdosed and Twilliard even confirmed it works when underdosed.


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Old 06/28/2016, 04:49 PM   #3862
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Sorry, you're right, ignore me.



Either way, this stuff is completely safe if (reasonably) overdosed and Twilliard even confirmed it works when underdosed.


Cool, thanks.


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Old 06/28/2016, 07:57 PM   #3863
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Interesting little write-up on copepods and dinos: http://www.scienceisart.com/dockbook.../a2012-09.html


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Old 06/28/2016, 10:44 PM   #3864
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Yep, I have some dino loving pods


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Old 06/28/2016, 11:27 PM   #3865
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I should also add it seems I have cyano loving dinos


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Old 06/28/2016, 11:43 PM   #3866
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I've turned off my automatic water change.

Ozone offline

I've cut carbon dosing in half.

I've pulled GAC out. (I don't use GFO or any other PO4 binder so nothing there to pull out.)

I opened up the skimmer lowering the water level a lot.

ATO is still on.

ATS is still on

Limewater dosing still on.

Light schedules unchanged. (I don't believe in blackouts anyway.)

Feeding schedule and amounts still the same.

I think that's it.

I grabbed a 1L container and filled it with 700ml of tank water.

I had calulated out exactly how many milligrams of the 70% active ingredients in MetroPlex I would need for around 200g total system volume. Using the little spoon I started putting some in that container. That little spoon was a pain. I went for a better measuring device and then decided to just dump the contents completely in.

So, 5g day one done.


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Old 06/29/2016, 10:28 AM   #3867
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I've turned off my automatic water change.

Ozone offline

I've cut carbon dosing in half.

I've pulled GAC out. (I don't use GFO or any other PO4 binder so nothing there to pull out.)



I had calulated out exactly how many milligrams of the 70% active ingredients in MetroPlex I would need for around 200g total system volume. Using the little spoon I started putting some in that container. That little spoon was a pain. I went for a better measuring device and then decided to just dump the contents completely in.

So, 5g day one done.
Heh. That dose is 250mg/10 gal, a spoonful is 125mg so it's exactly the 2 spoonfuls in the "1-2 spoonfuls per 10 gal per day for 3 days"
Just clarifying for others that your "dump the whole thing in" is within the recommended dosage.
Never seen anyone else with peridinium dinos, so interesting to see how it goes with you.
Yesterday was day 1 for me and my small population of ostis as well.

In addition to tank treatment I started a control vs treatment beaker.
Really hoping that twilliards accounts of visible changes to cell behavior and structure (growth rate too) show up in the side by side beakers.


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Also my exhaustive biodiversity survey was exhausting as well as exhaustive.
8 fish, 55 different species/strains of coral/nem/gorgs, 9 macroalgae, 5 microalgae/bacterial growth forms, 16 filter feeders (7 kinds of feather dusters), 8 crustaceans, 5 echinoderms, 11 snails, 4 random worm detrivores, 18 species only visible through microscope (I quit at 9 different kinds of ciliates).

Before pics of all the corals. To compare in case noticeable changes after, everything else - I'll just verify if it's present or not in the weeks after.

Only thing that I won't be able to monitor satisfactorily will be nitrate because mine is currently 50(!) before treatment.
So it would have to be a big swing to show up on mine.
It was 100+ two weeks ago, when I realized my old test was shot and first got my new one.


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I started metroplex last night in my 20g qt. one scoop in the 20g, guessing im a little under since its only 70% metro? Ill dose 1.25 scoop the remaining days.

I have actually beat back the dinos quite a bit and they arent that bad currently, but i can still find them. Ive held off on water changes and getting my nutrients down cause i feel they are what are competing with the dinos. I now have some green algae, some of that snot algae that may be a form of cyano that i posted a while ago that shows up under the scope as round spheres. I also now have (I think) red and green cyano). On another note I moved all of my coral out of this tank to the rescue tank (fingers crossed). There were some monster pods on the frag plugs etc that i found while moving things so thats a good sign! Shows me there is good life in the 20dino tank and i think i have tipped the balance in my favor finally. Hoping the metro is the final nail.

After the metro treatment I will do some large water changes to hopefully take care of the cyano and get nutrient levels in check. If i dont get rid of cyano and the snot i will dose chemiclean.

currently lights and skimmer are off, carbon on. Debating what to do throughout this treatment.


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I started metroplex last night in my 20g qt. one scoop in the 20g, guessing im a little under since its only 70% metro? Ill dose 1.25 scoop the remaining days.
The dose is 1-2 scoop per 10g, so your tank would be 2-4 scoops per daily dose, unless you are trying to test under-dosing.


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Heh. That dose is 250mg/10 gal, a spoonful is 125mg so it's exactly the 2 spoonfuls in the "1-2 spoonfuls per 10 gal per day for 3 days"
Just clarifying for others that your "dump the whole thing in" is within the recommended dosage.
Never seen anyone else with peridinium dinos, so interesting to see how it goes with you.
Yesterday was day 1 for me and my small population of ostis as well.

In addition to tank treatment I started a control vs treatment beaker.
Really hoping that twilliards accounts of visible changes to cell behavior and structure (growth rate too) show up in the side by side beakers.
yep, for my system volume it works out just right for 1 5g container = 2 scoops / 10g of 70% metro. I was just going to go with the 125g/10g via twilliards dosage of 75% metro. Then just said forget it and dosed it all.


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Fyi, I have 2 days worth of metroplex if going forward with the double dosage of 250mg/10g/day. I was going to get another vial of metroplex but found this and gives plenty to play with on the side now.

Another alternative and can be found on amazon.com







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Day 2 double dose of 5g per 200gal total volume dosed.


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The dose is 1-2 scoop per 10g, so your tank would be 2-4 scoops per daily dose, unless you are trying to test under-dosing.
Sorry, meant 1 scoop per 10, dosed 2 scoops.


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My day 2 dose.
No alarming (or detectable even) ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, or phosphate changes 24hrs after dose 1.
pH stayed same to within .01 before/after both daily doses.
ORP went up about 15mv after both daily doses compared to pre dose numbers.


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