My 54G Mixed Reef (pic intense) - Page 5

Grey Seas Aquatics · 07/08/2006, 08:07 PM

As promised here is the Automatic Water Change!

The first part of the system is a mixing tub that has two pumps. One is a maxijet 400 to circulate and the other one is a quiet one 1000 that is plumbed to the tank.
In this photo you can only see the quiet one but, it is the important one.

This is connected to 1/4" id braided hose and runs up to the emergency overflow of my equipment sump. There is a stockman style cut out on the pipe and the water is actually pumped via the tube into the pipe below the water line of the equipment sump. Because I am using the restricted drain method, if I were to pump water into this sump directly my water level would rise before the drain could catch up and the skimmer would overflow.

This is the maximum amount of water I can have in my system without a overflow.

And this elbow in the middle facing up is where water will go in the event of a overflow, rather than the floor.

That is the system. Heres how it works.
Water is happily mixing away in the bucket. In the evening when I feed I press the feed button on my aquacontroller. This turns on the quiet one pump and starts pumping new water into the system. The flow is set to add 1 gallon per minute approximately (not really important you'll see why in a minute) and the pump turns itself off after that minute is up. So now I have one gallon too much in the system.

For these pictures I am actually using 4 gallons of added water so it is easy to see what is happening.

So after the new water is mixed for 5 minutes with the old water the main return pump automatically turns off via the controller. The water begins to rise and eventually starts to drain out the pipe.

and to the floor drain in the other room.

This is when I will feed. The return pump stays off for another 15 minutes then turns itself back on. The water now equalizes back to its original level and the float switch for my ATO keeps it there.

So there you have it, my auto water change system (modified from a system introduced by Anthony Calfo). I will be changing 1 gallon per day on a 100 gallon system. 1/100 of a gallon per day will be wasted due to removing water I just put in. So in a month there will be a 30% change, with the only effort on my part being to mix salt water every 10 days or so which I think should take me about 2 minutes per month

Stile2 · 07/08/2006, 08:46 PM

Wow! Tank looks great. All the times you and I have posted back and forth and I hadn't checked out your thread.

Get job! Can't wait til you get some stock in there.

Keith

Grey Seas Aquatics · 07/08/2006, 09:02 PM

Just don't start getting on me about finishing up my woodwork

.
I am actually waiting for my shop to be built too. Small world

.

chrismunn · 07/08/2006, 10:29 PM

hurry up and finish your wood work... geeze.....lazy!.......

Grey Seas Aquatics · 07/09/2006, 07:53 PM

Testing results:

Temp: 78.5
Ph: 8.38
SG: 1.024
NO2: 0.00
No3: 10ppm
NH3: 0.00
CA: 420ppm
DKH:14
PO4: 0.5ppm
Mg: Not tested

Cycle complete.

If you don't think I was nervous about cycling the tank this way, you are very wrong

. I was a pretty worried about day 4 when ammonia peaked at 8ppm or higher (limit of test). I have had a huge diatom bloom and it immediatly went away or at least 90% of it once the Rowa/Carbon started running. Right now I have the full cleaning crew in there stirring up any pockets of food that remain and working on the algae. My lighting is on the conservetive side of things: actinics on 12hrs, 10k on for 2. Only time will tell if it was better to cycle this way or not.
Still dosing phyto every other day along with the calcium part of B-Ionic. I thought that the cycling process used up more available Alk than it has, and I am really suprised that there is even a need to dose the Ca at all. Most of the feather dusters from the LR made it and are fully open (always a good indiator for me). There was one hermit crab in the tank and I haven't seen him since the food incident (which doesn't bother me in the least).
I am still waiting for the Shuran media to get the Ca reactor going, and waiting on the PA crude as well, both are back ordered. I am going on a week long trip so the tank will just have to fend for itself. When I get back the next step will be getting the mud in the fuge and some macro's going. Reeftopia sent me 100 blueleg hermits by mistake so I am hoping that I will be able to use those to trade for the macro. Then I will most likely just be tweeking the rockwork, wires, programing and such until all params level off and appear to be stable.
I am going to try and work out a few differant stocking scenerios during my vacation. Then let the frag hunt begin................

Yomeister66 · 07/09/2006, 08:08 PM

Very nice job. Looking great.

drouner · 07/09/2006, 08:11 PM

I noticed you have four returns powered by a squirt. Why doesn't the two in the bottom almost buried in the sand have nozzels or is that some thing you have not gotten around to fixing?

What size are your returns?

Besides drilling glass you have given me several other ideas. I just wish now that I had not sold my two SCWD's.

Grey Seas Aquatics · 07/09/2006, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drouner
I noticed you have four returns powered by a squirt. Why doesn't the two in the bottom almost buried in the sand have nozzels or is that some thing you have not gotten around to fixing?

What size are your returns?

Besides drilling glass you have given me several other ideas. I just wish now that I had not sold my two SCWD's.

The squirt has 3/4" outlets on them. I put bushings on them and ran 1" spaflex to reduce any pressure loss around corners. Then back to 3/4" bulkheads throught the tank and 3/4" lockline. I have tried a variety of hose lengths and nozzles and find the flow to be better without them. The one thing I may still try is splitting the front two with a y and putting 1/2" reducer nozzels on them.

Now the way the flow works in general was recomended by Paul at Oceans Motions. The water from the return flows from the back and down. The squirts rotation starts in the back and pushes the water forward. The squirt moves to the front and pushes the water up to the surface. This method creates a kind of rolling effect in the current from top to bottom, back to front, front to top, out the overflow. This keeps things (read poop) suspended in the water for quite some time and then is directed to the overflow. It is too early to tell how it will perform long term, but right now I am very happy with the flow (both directionally and quantity) in this tank. The great thing about locline with threaded bulkheads is I can change it at any time.

drouner · 07/09/2006, 09:09 PM

Which squirt is that?

Grey Seas Aquatics · 07/09/2006, 09:23 PM

This one.

Make sure you visit their forum, and check out the waterpix section. If you are trying to get some ideas about closed loop designs you will have more info than you know what to do with

.

Tu Ku · 07/09/2006, 09:38 PM

All this automation, where's the fun in that? I couldn't handle it. I have to mess with everything. Looks fantastic though, I totally dig the tile.

drouner · 07/09/2006, 09:41 PM

I just got back from walking the dog and thinking about what I was reading off the ocean motions website. Now I am not for sure which direction I am going with a return/ closed loop.

Last night I sat down, planned it all out, wrote up the supply list, and now well................

chrismunn · 07/09/2006, 09:49 PM

whats was the date that you started this tank? (start of cycle)

Grey Seas Aquatics · 07/09/2006, 10:42 PM

Cycle Recap:

Day 1: Filled with RODI and added salt
Day 2: Added sand (dry and a cup of seed from established tank)
Day 3: Added 5# crude from PA curing tanks.
Day 5: Added 100# live rock
Day 8: Water test indicate First cycle nearly complete
Day 10: "Fed" the tank.
Day 15: Ammonia peaks at 8ppm or higher
Day 16: Nitrites peak at 3.5ppm and Nitrates at 50ppm
Day 17: Ammonia 0
Day 18: Nitrite 0
Day 19: Today I declare cycling to be over!

So not the quickest cycle, but I believe it to be a thorough one.

Grey Seas Aquatics · 07/09/2006, 11:01 PM

drouner, for me it was a easy decision. I didn't want powerheads in the tank, it really is just a matter of personal taste. For the money spent I could have bought a 2 tunze and controller. This way is more work, time, money, and power consumption. I enjoyed building the tank and so just dropping in a couple streams is not really my style.

Tu Ku, reefkeeping effectively combines many of my hobbies and interest in ways that other activities simply will never be able to. Yes, marine biology, organic chemistry, animal husbandry, woodworking, electrical systems, plumbing (well plumbings not really a hobby), acrylic fabrication and yes computers. The more mondane daily activities I believe can be left to the machines, but the daily observtions need to be hands on. By automating as much of the system as I see fit I think it will give me more time to actually monitor what is going on in the tank and enjoy it more.
For me it becomes a choice of spending time with the tank or doing chores for the tank.
Now if I could just ride my motorcycle while my water is being changed....oh wait, I can!

Milleme · 07/09/2006, 11:37 PM

your awseome!

chrismunn · 07/10/2006, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dandy7200

Now if I could just ride my motorcycle while my water is being changed....oh wait, I can!

thats great. i got rid of my last tank cuz i didnt feel like doing all the routine stuff that could have been automated. my next tank will be an "easy care" style, if thats possible. "F" all that bull crap that could be made easier. like you said, the less time i spend jerking with the maintainance, the more time i can spend doing routine testing, and admiring!

drouner · 07/10/2006, 11:45 PM

Thanks for sharing your set-up and experience with us. I often wonder what drives someone in this hobby. Is the gadgets, the life stock, chemisty etc.

I like you do not like equipment in my tank. With that said since I currently don't have an sump, all my equipment is HOT. The skimmer and CL actual are feed through a overflow box. The only equipment that is handing down is my Ph probe.

I ordered my OM Squirt tonight. Worked on a new CL designed for my new tank during my flight this afternoon.

ReefMeister2 · 07/15/2006, 04:15 AM

Here's a bit of easy reading that's related to this thread:

"The Two-minute Water Change"
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=579223

TKByrnes · 07/15/2006, 02:52 PM

Nice job!! I really enjoyed following the whole process

Grey Seas Aquatics · 07/18/2006, 12:51 PM

Back from my trip and all looks well. Reefmeister2, whats up with having to push all those buttons to change your water? That seems like a whole lot more work.

JK. I like your setup but mine is much closer to this.

I did decide to rearrange one last time (yeah right), and here are the results.

I think it added a lot more depth to the tank, and creates a nice ledge up high for sps.

Traded a couple extra cleaners for the first coral in the tank.

I am trading off the rest of the extra cleaners to a club member tonight, so I will add pics of those when I get em.

Stile2 · 07/18/2006, 01:06 PM

I like the new aquascaping!

Grey Seas Aquatics · 07/18/2006, 01:12 PM

Thanks, I had been avoiding resting anything on the slotted glass but after looking a lot more closely at your setup I decided to give it a go. Really nothing is putting force on the glass it is just touching in a few spots. The rocks are very secure but, in the event of a avelanche the rocks would tumble away from the glass rather than towards it, while the other way I had a 50/50 chance as to which way the rocks could fall. So I am actually more comfortable with this from a saftey standpoint, and I think it is more asthetically pleasing as well (always a good combo).

Neowind · 07/18/2006, 04:18 PM

I like the last picture the best. Nice job arranging the rocks, looks like you have plenty of room to place corals with that setup.

Grey Seas Aquatics · 07/23/2006, 08:11 PM

A couple more cleaners are gone and heres what I got....

and

and

You guys are going to have to bear with me as I learn how to finally use this camera properly

.

07/08/2006, 08:07 PM	#101
Grey Seas Aquatics Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,159	As promised here is the Automatic Water Change! The first part of the system is a mixing tub that has two pumps. One is a maxijet 400 to circulate and the other one is a quiet one 1000 that is plumbed to the tank. In this photo you can only see the quiet one but, it is the important one. This is connected to 1/4" id braided hose and runs up to the emergency overflow of my equipment sump. There is a stockman style cut out on the pipe and the water is actually pumped via the tube into the pipe below the water line of the equipment sump. Because I am using the restricted drain method, if I were to pump water into this sump directly my water level would rise before the drain could catch up and the skimmer would overflow. This is the maximum amount of water I can have in my system without a overflow. And this elbow in the middle facing up is where water will go in the event of a overflow, rather than the floor. That is the system. Heres how it works. Water is happily mixing away in the bucket. In the evening when I feed I press the feed button on my aquacontroller. This turns on the quiet one pump and starts pumping new water into the system. The flow is set to add 1 gallon per minute approximately (not really important you'll see why in a minute) and the pump turns itself off after that minute is up. So now I have one gallon too much in the system. For these pictures I am actually using 4 gallons of added water so it is easy to see what is happening. So after the new water is mixed for 5 minutes with the old water the main return pump automatically turns off via the controller. The water begins to rise and eventually starts to drain out the pipe. and to the floor drain in the other room. This is when I will feed. The return pump stays off for another 15 minutes then turns itself back on. The water now equalizes back to its original level and the float switch for my ATO keeps it there. So there you have it, my auto water change system (modified from a system introduced by Anthony Calfo). I will be changing 1 gallon per day on a 100 gallon system. 1/100 of a gallon per day will be wasted due to removing water I just put in. So in a month there will be a 30% change, with the only effort on my part being to mix salt water every 10 days or so which I think should take me about 2 minutes per month __________________ Dan "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian." But an Indian can't kill anything with a crooked arrow.

07/08/2006, 08:46 PM	#102
Stile2 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yucaipa, California (some little town you've never heard of) Posts: 1,649	Wow! Tank looks great. All the times you and I have posted back and forth and I hadn't checked out your thread. Get job! Can't wait til you get some stock in there. Keith __________________ If you have a college degree, you can be sure of one thing. You have a college degree! Superman owns Chuck Norris Pajamas!! Current Tank Info: 77 Gallon Custom peninsula 3 sides viewable, DIY Steel Stand, OM Squirt, 2 x 250 w MH, 2 x 95 w VHO, DIY Skimmer

07/08/2006, 09:02 PM	#103
Grey Seas Aquatics Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,159	Just don't start getting on me about finishing up my woodwork . I am actually waiting for my shop to be built too. Small world . __________________ Dan "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian." But an Indian can't kill anything with a crooked arrow.

07/08/2006, 10:29 PM	#104
chrismunn Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 4,158	hurry up and finish your wood work... geeze.....lazy!....... __________________ Marine Aquarists Association of South Texas Austin Reef Club PBITAWA... Current Tank Info: 14g bio cube

07/09/2006, 07:53 PM	#105
Grey Seas Aquatics Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,159	Testing results: Temp: 78.5 Ph: 8.38 SG: 1.024 NO2: 0.00 No3: 10ppm NH3: 0.00 CA: 420ppm DKH:14 PO4: 0.5ppm Mg: Not tested Cycle complete. If you don't think I was nervous about cycling the tank this way, you are very wrong . I was a pretty worried about day 4 when ammonia peaked at 8ppm or higher (limit of test). I have had a huge diatom bloom and it immediatly went away or at least 90% of it once the Rowa/Carbon started running. Right now I have the full cleaning crew in there stirring up any pockets of food that remain and working on the algae. My lighting is on the conservetive side of things: actinics on 12hrs, 10k on for 2. Only time will tell if it was better to cycle this way or not. Still dosing phyto every other day along with the calcium part of B-Ionic. I thought that the cycling process used up more available Alk than it has, and I am really suprised that there is even a need to dose the Ca at all. Most of the feather dusters from the LR made it and are fully open (always a good indiator for me). There was one hermit crab in the tank and I haven't seen him since the food incident (which doesn't bother me in the least). I am still waiting for the Shuran media to get the Ca reactor going, and waiting on the PA crude as well, both are back ordered. I am going on a week long trip so the tank will just have to fend for itself. When I get back the next step will be getting the mud in the fuge and some macro's going. Reeftopia sent me 100 blueleg hermits by mistake so I am hoping that I will be able to use those to trade for the macro. Then I will most likely just be tweeking the rockwork, wires, programing and such until all params level off and appear to be stable. I am going to try and work out a few differant stocking scenerios during my vacation. Then let the frag hunt begin................ __________________ Dan "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian." But an Indian can't kill anything with a crooked arrow.

07/09/2006, 08:08 PM	#106
Yomeister66 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Arnold, MD Posts: 64	Very nice job. Looking great. __________________ A goal without a plan is just a wish. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery Current Tank Info: 110 gal Reef, 6x80W T5, Aquamedic TwinTurboflotor 1000, 40W UV sterilizer, Calcium + Kalk reactor, Carbon+Phosphate Reactor, Tunze Osmolator, 2x Tunze6100 + Controller, Ozone

07/09/2006, 08:11 PM	#107
drouner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lawrenceville, GA Posts: 648	I noticed you have four returns powered by a squirt. Why doesn't the two in the bottom almost buried in the sand have nozzels or is that some thing you have not gotten around to fixing? What size are your returns? Besides drilling glass you have given me several other ideas. I just wish now that I had not sold my two SCWD's. __________________ Doug I'm just happy to be here! It all started with a 10 gallon Wal Mart FW combo. Current Tank Info: Oceanic 58 gallon Reef, mainly SPS. Ecotech Vortech, 1-250 MH Phoenix 14K, 2 T5's, MRC HOB Cal Reactor, octopus NW150 skimmer, CL w/ OM Squirt., Digital Aquatics RK2.

07/09/2006, 09:09 PM	#109
drouner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lawrenceville, GA Posts: 648	Which squirt is that? __________________ Doug I'm just happy to be here! It all started with a 10 gallon Wal Mart FW combo. Current Tank Info: Oceanic 58 gallon Reef, mainly SPS. Ecotech Vortech, 1-250 MH Phoenix 14K, 2 T5's, MRC HOB Cal Reactor, octopus NW150 skimmer, CL w/ OM Squirt., Digital Aquatics RK2.

07/09/2006, 09:23 PM	#110
Grey Seas Aquatics Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,159	This one. Make sure you visit their forum, and check out the waterpix section. If you are trying to get some ideas about closed loop designs you will have more info than you know what to do with . __________________ Dan "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian." But an Indian can't kill anything with a crooked arrow.

07/09/2006, 09:38 PM	#111
Tu Ku Moved On Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 355	All this automation, where's the fun in that? I couldn't handle it. I have to mess with everything. Looks fantastic though, I totally dig the tile.

07/09/2006, 09:41 PM	#112
drouner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lawrenceville, GA Posts: 648	I just got back from walking the dog and thinking about what I was reading off the ocean motions website. Now I am not for sure which direction I am going with a return/ closed loop. Last night I sat down, planned it all out, wrote up the supply list, and now well................ __________________ Doug I'm just happy to be here! It all started with a 10 gallon Wal Mart FW combo. Current Tank Info: Oceanic 58 gallon Reef, mainly SPS. Ecotech Vortech, 1-250 MH Phoenix 14K, 2 T5's, MRC HOB Cal Reactor, octopus NW150 skimmer, CL w/ OM Squirt., Digital Aquatics RK2.

07/09/2006, 09:49 PM	#113
chrismunn Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 4,158	whats was the date that you started this tank? (start of cycle) __________________ Marine Aquarists Association of South Texas Austin Reef Club PBITAWA... Current Tank Info: 14g bio cube

07/09/2006, 10:42 PM	#114
Grey Seas Aquatics Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,159	Cycle Recap: Day 1: Filled with RODI and added salt Day 2: Added sand (dry and a cup of seed from established tank) Day 3: Added 5# crude from PA curing tanks. Day 5: Added 100# live rock Day 8: Water test indicate First cycle nearly complete Day 10: "Fed" the tank. Day 15: Ammonia peaks at 8ppm or higher Day 16: Nitrites peak at 3.5ppm and Nitrates at 50ppm Day 17: Ammonia 0 Day 18: Nitrite 0 Day 19: Today I declare cycling to be over! So not the quickest cycle, but I believe it to be a thorough one. __________________ Dan "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian." But an Indian can't kill anything with a crooked arrow.

07/09/2006, 11:01 PM	#115
Grey Seas Aquatics Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,159	drouner, for me it was a easy decision. I didn't want powerheads in the tank, it really is just a matter of personal taste. For the money spent I could have bought a 2 tunze and controller. This way is more work, time, money, and power consumption. I enjoyed building the tank and so just dropping in a couple streams is not really my style. Tu Ku, reefkeeping effectively combines many of my hobbies and interest in ways that other activities simply will never be able to. Yes, marine biology, organic chemistry, animal husbandry, woodworking, electrical systems, plumbing (well plumbings not really a hobby), acrylic fabrication and yes computers. The more mondane daily activities I believe can be left to the machines, but the daily observtions need to be hands on. By automating as much of the system as I see fit I think it will give me more time to actually monitor what is going on in the tank and enjoy it more. For me it becomes a choice of spending time with the tank or doing chores for the tank. Now if I could just ride my motorcycle while my water is being changed....oh wait, I can! __________________ Dan "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian." But an Indian can't kill anything with a crooked arrow.

07/09/2006, 11:37 PM	#116
Milleme Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ATX Posts: 486	your awseome! __________________ Fish swim in water. ><> ><> Current Tank Info: 45 cube build

07/10/2006, 11:45 PM	#118
drouner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lawrenceville, GA Posts: 648	Thanks for sharing your set-up and experience with us. I often wonder what drives someone in this hobby. Is the gadgets, the life stock, chemisty etc. I like you do not like equipment in my tank. With that said since I currently don't have an sump, all my equipment is HOT. The skimmer and CL actual are feed through a overflow box. The only equipment that is handing down is my Ph probe. I ordered my OM Squirt tonight. Worked on a new CL designed for my new tank during my flight this afternoon. __________________ Doug I'm just happy to be here! It all started with a 10 gallon Wal Mart FW combo. Current Tank Info: Oceanic 58 gallon Reef, mainly SPS. Ecotech Vortech, 1-250 MH Phoenix 14K, 2 T5's, MRC HOB Cal Reactor, octopus NW150 skimmer, CL w/ OM Squirt., Digital Aquatics RK2.

07/15/2006, 04:15 AM	#119
ReefMeister2 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Garden Grove, California Posts: 1,759	Here's a bit of easy reading that's related to this thread: "The Two-minute Water Change" http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=579223 __________________ ----------------------------------------------- "I put them to task, and then remove them for non performance" (anonymous club president) Current Tank Info: 90 Gal. bent-corner glass "hybrid"reef - 55 gal. sump w/refugium - Euroreef CS250 - 4x96watt rotating PC Hood - Dual QuietOne 6000s - DIY Calcium Reactor - Nilsen/Kalk Reactor - ACIII Pro - ReefRelief AATOC - 8 stage RO/DI

07/15/2006, 02:52 PM	#120
TKByrnes Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fairfield, PA Posts: 1,332	Nice job!! I really enjoyed following the whole process __________________ Baby it was on sale half price I PROMISE!!!! Current Tank Info: 90 gal mixed reef-55 gal sump-mag 9.5 return pump-10 gal frag tank 15 gal refugium. 2x 150 watt HQI outer orbit 4x pc actinic

07/18/2006, 12:51 PM	#121
Grey Seas Aquatics Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,159	Back from my trip and all looks well. Reefmeister2, whats up with having to push all those buttons to change your water? That seems like a whole lot more work. JK. I like your setup but mine is much closer to this. I did decide to rearrange one last time (yeah right), and here are the results. I think it added a lot more depth to the tank, and creates a nice ledge up high for sps. Traded a couple extra cleaners for the first coral in the tank. I am trading off the rest of the extra cleaners to a club member tonight, so I will add pics of those when I get em. __________________ Dan "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian." But an Indian can't kill anything with a crooked arrow.

07/18/2006, 01:06 PM	#122
Stile2 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yucaipa, California (some little town you've never heard of) Posts: 1,649	I like the new aquascaping! __________________ If you have a college degree, you can be sure of one thing. You have a college degree! Superman owns Chuck Norris Pajamas!! Current Tank Info: 77 Gallon Custom peninsula 3 sides viewable, DIY Steel Stand, OM Squirt, 2 x 250 w MH, 2 x 95 w VHO, DIY Skimmer

07/18/2006, 01:12 PM	#123
Grey Seas Aquatics Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,159	Thanks, I had been avoiding resting anything on the slotted glass but after looking a lot more closely at your setup I decided to give it a go. Really nothing is putting force on the glass it is just touching in a few spots. The rocks are very secure but, in the event of a avelanche the rocks would tumble away from the glass rather than towards it, while the other way I had a 50/50 chance as to which way the rocks could fall. So I am actually more comfortable with this from a saftey standpoint, and I think it is more asthetically pleasing as well (always a good combo). __________________ Dan "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian." But an Indian can't kill anything with a crooked arrow.

07/18/2006, 04:18 PM	#124
Neowind Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingsport, TN Posts: 529	I like the last picture the best. Nice job arranging the rocks, looks like you have plenty of room to place corals with that setup.

07/23/2006, 08:11 PM	#125
Grey Seas Aquatics Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,159	A couple more cleaners are gone and heres what I got.... and and You guys are going to have to bear with me as I learn how to finally use this camera properly . __________________ Dan "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian." But an Indian can't kill anything with a crooked arrow.