Marine pure ceramic biomedia - Page 37

bertoni · 08/31/2017, 12:56 PM

I'm sorry that the Marine Pure didn't work for you. Ten months is more than enough time to get established. I'm not sure what happened, but it might be possible in theory that the anaerobic microbes couldn't get enough energy input or lacked some nutrient.

RussC · 09/13/2017, 03:30 PM

I just had an interesting conversations with the online chat rep at Bulk Reef Supply about the ceramic block. He said they did have a problem with "earlier batches" regarding reports of aluminum leaching from the blocks. But that the new batches are "greatly improved." This thread is about three years old. I came across it searching for information about the aluminum leaching because I was considering the ceramic blocks in my sump. I was wondering if anyone had any new news about this or new experiences?

Antman · 03/12/2018, 11:56 AM

Yet another new option

https://www.facebook.com/Maxspect/vi...2401977123351/

shred5 · 03/12/2018, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Antman

Yet another new option

https://www.facebook.com/Maxspect/vi...2401977123351/

I watched this the other day but Carlos said nothing about nitrate. think I am going to send him a email to see if it does.
Maxspect Nano-Tech Bio-Media stuff looks much better.

I recently switched to Seachem matrix.

Antman · 03/12/2018, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shred5

I watched this the other day but Carlos said nothing about nitrate. think I am going to send him a email to see if it does.
Maxspect Nano-Tech Bio-Media stuff looks much better.

I recently switched to Seachem matrix.

Let us know if you get an answer

shred5 · 03/12/2018, 12:53 PM

I did.. Basically said it depends on the flow.

I am guessing he means if high flow you get just Aerobic bacteria.
Low flow would cause some Anaerobic bacteria.

Dan_P · 03/13/2018, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shred5

I did.. Basically said it depends on the flow.

I am guessing he means if high flow you get just Aerobic bacteria.
Low flow would cause some Anaerobic bacteria.

The other thing to consider is the possibility of this material becoming clogged with debris.

homer1475 · 03/13/2018, 03:47 AM

Anyone care to post a link to the "new" stuff thats not on facebook?

shred5 · 03/13/2018, 06:55 AM

http://www.maxspect.com/index.php?op...id=792&lang=en

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMOOfkGdNcI

http://www.coralvue.com/maxspect-nano-tech-bio-spheres

http://www.coralvue.com/maxspect-nano-tech-bio-block

homer1475 · 03/13/2018, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shred5

http://www.maxspect.com/index.php?op...id=792&lang=en

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMOOfkGdNcI

http://www.coralvue.com/maxspect-nano-tech-bio-spheres

http://www.coralvue.com/maxspect-nano-tech-bio-block

Lol thank you!

I could have done that too if I had noticed the name of the stuff in an earlier post sooner.

shred5 · 03/13/2018, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by homer1475

Lol thank you!

I could have done that too if I had noticed the name of the stuff in an earlier post sooner.

No problem.

shred5 · 03/13/2018, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_P

The other thing to consider is the possibility of this material becoming clogged with debris.

I lightly rinse off my medium with tank water every couple of months.

This marine pure and the Maxpect stuff is pretty porous so I have to think they do not do much for nitrate especially if it is really low flow. How much water is processed in low flow?
most likely more efficient ways to remove nitrate. allot will also depend on the amount of bacteria or bio-films that build up over time. That oxygen needs to be used up..

ReefWreak · 03/14/2018, 08:43 PM

I might have posted early on in this thread, years ago, when I started using the blocks, but I thought I'd provide just another anecdote on the use of these blocks.

I pulled the block out of my biocube about 8 months into having there, and never really noticed a difference. I moved a few weeks ago, and siphoned out my sand bed since it was filled with detritus. Big mistake. I got a nutrient swing, full on ammonia blast, and everything died. With moderate flow, lights on, and the skimmer on full churn, I couldn't get the ammonia to come down. When I used prime, it just turned the API kit deep blue instead of deep green, suggesting that there was still plenty of ammonia. Almost 3 weeks and it never converted to nitrate or came down.

I realized I had the marinepure blocks in storage, and since I was still in desperation mode, though had accepted that I've lost almost everything, I figured I'd try the blocks out, at worst they'd just sit there and ammonia would continue processing incredibly slowly. Within 24 hours of putting the block in my tank, the ammonia went from deep blue to light yellow haze again. So clearly when placed in a tank full of ammonia, and with moderate flow, it reduces ammonia very quickly. Too little to late to help my corals, but it was an interesting experiment out of desperation.

I've been testing daily since adding the block, and never saw any more ammonia, and interestingly never saw much of a nitrate increase either. Nitrate went to 10-15ppm, light orange color on API, and stayed if not reduced.

I suspect rarely does this natural experiment come up and someone have a marinepure block on hand to try it, but just as one more anecdotal test, it worked very quickly and effectively for me, even when prime wasn't doing the trick. I just wish I would have left them in the tank so that I could have moved the tank with the blocks still in, and the block probably would have saved my tank (yes, I realize I could have NOT ruined the sand bed, or could have used a sponge or filter floss as media to keep bacteria busy, but I didn't).

bertoni · 03/15/2018, 03:00 PM

Well, I'm sorry to hear about your problems, but it's interesting that the block might be very good at reducing ammonia.

The API kit will undo the ammonia binding that the Prime performs, I think. As part of the test, the reagents raise the pH, which I think is what does the unbinding. To see how much ammonia is bound vs unbound, you would need to use a kit like the SeaChem, which is designed to handle such situations.

08/31/2017, 12:56 PM	#901
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	I'm sorry that the Marine Pure didn't work for you. Ten months is more than enough time to get established. I'm not sure what happened, but it might be possible in theory that the anaerobic microbes couldn't get enough energy input or lacked some nutrient. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

09/13/2017, 03:30 PM	#902
RussC Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gulfport (Mississippi Gulf Coast) Posts: 1,405	I just had an interesting conversations with the online chat rep at Bulk Reef Supply about the ceramic block. He said they did have a problem with "earlier batches" regarding reports of aluminum leaching from the blocks. But that the new batches are "greatly improved." This thread is about three years old. I came across it searching for information about the aluminum leaching because I was considering the ceramic blocks in my sump. I was wondering if anyone had any new news about this or new experiences? __________________ When a habit begins to cost money, it's called a hobby! Current Tank Info: Red Sea Reefer XL 425 Alive and Kick'n BOD 8-29-17

03/12/2018, 12:53 PM	#906
shred5 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Waukesha , WI Posts: 4,998	I did.. Basically said it depends on the flow. I am guessing he means if high flow you get just Aerobic bacteria. Low flow would cause some Anaerobic bacteria. __________________ David Polzin

03/13/2018, 03:47 AM	#908
homer1475 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 5,313	Anyone care to post a link to the "new" stuff thats not on facebook? __________________ 80G SCA Build: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2560256 Originally posted by der_wille_zur_macht: "He's just taking his lunch to work"

03/13/2018, 06:55 AM	#909
shred5 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Waukesha , WI Posts: 4,998	http://www.maxspect.com/index.php?op...id=792&lang=en https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMOOfkGdNcI http://www.coralvue.com/maxspect-nano-tech-bio-spheres http://www.coralvue.com/maxspect-nano-tech-bio-block __________________ David Polzin

03/12/2018, 11:56 AM	#903
Antman Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,349	Yet another new option https://www.facebook.com/Maxspect/vi...2401977123351/

03/14/2018, 08:43 PM	#913
ReefWreak Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Astoria, NYC Posts: 10,159	I might have posted early on in this thread, years ago, when I started using the blocks, but I thought I'd provide just another anecdote on the use of these blocks. I pulled the block out of my biocube about 8 months into having there, and never really noticed a difference. I moved a few weeks ago, and siphoned out my sand bed since it was filled with detritus. Big mistake. I got a nutrient swing, full on ammonia blast, and everything died. With moderate flow, lights on, and the skimmer on full churn, I couldn't get the ammonia to come down. When I used prime, it just turned the API kit deep blue instead of deep green, suggesting that there was still plenty of ammonia. Almost 3 weeks and it never converted to nitrate or came down. I realized I had the marinepure blocks in storage, and since I was still in desperation mode, though had accepted that I've lost almost everything, I figured I'd try the blocks out, at worst they'd just sit there and ammonia would continue processing incredibly slowly. Within 24 hours of putting the block in my tank, the ammonia went from deep blue to light yellow haze again. So clearly when placed in a tank full of ammonia, and with moderate flow, it reduces ammonia very quickly. Too little to late to help my corals, but it was an interesting experiment out of desperation. I've been testing daily since adding the block, and never saw any more ammonia, and interestingly never saw much of a nitrate increase either. Nitrate went to 10-15ppm, light orange color on API, and stayed if not reduced. I suspect rarely does this natural experiment come up and someone have a marinepure block on hand to try it, but just as one more anecdotal test, it worked very quickly and effectively for me, even when prime wasn't doing the trick. I just wish I would have left them in the tank so that I could have moved the tank with the blocks still in, and the block probably would have saved my tank (yes, I realize I could have NOT ruined the sand bed, or could have used a sponge or filter floss as media to keep bacteria busy, but I didn't).

03/15/2018, 03:00 PM	#914
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	Well, I'm sorry to hear about your problems, but it's interesting that the block might be very good at reducing ammonia. The API kit will undo the ammonia binding that the Prime performs, I think. As part of the test, the reagents raise the pH, which I think is what does the unbinding. To see how much ammonia is bound vs unbound, you would need to use a kit like the SeaChem, which is designed to handle such situations. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni