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10/12/2018, 01:07 AM | #1 |
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Blue Tang QT ich/velvet/brook what am i dealing with here ?
So after talking with my partner about a reefer 750 XXL we have agreed in 12 months time we will buy one together .. having oversized all our new equipment on the 425 xl knowing we would want/need a 750/6 foot tank in 2 years or so we decided to pickup a small 2 inch blue tang & have my 425 with only 4 fish bioload wise .. maybe 3 small dispars later on but that is where id draw the line bioload wise as im not about overstocking but in saying that it is a 110.
so onto the blue tang. have had him for 7 days now in QT @ 0.5 cupramine & have passed the first hurdle and fattened that stomach up with blue planet fluke & worm praziquantel for any potential internal parasites for 7 days alongside cupramine from the moment he was introduced ive got him eating pretty well on frozen mysis/formula 2 & nori .. knowing most blue tangs are shy & will hide a lot of the time and noticing/realising that can be there downfall during QT "Hiding & never eating" with a lot of reefers i decided to try something out/taking a risk and keep him out in the living room/high traffic area where he will get lots of attention & get used to us - it actually worked ! and he now has no issues whenever anyone is near his tank he will resume chomping his nori and swimming around happily .. he wouldnt eat nori at the start so i used GHA on a clip from my algae scrubber with nori to get him onto it then followed with frozen alongside daily dosing of vitamins into the water column. when i chose him at the lfs his stomach wasnt sunken but had some slight indentation & his belly was slightly whiter then usual almost like dusting but no gold tinge so i assumed possibly early onset of velvet but more likely ich that hasnt progressed to the visual stage yet "spots" otherwise he looked good .. now after 7 days in QT he is starting to scratch "but still normal behaviour & swimming/eating happily" and lots of spots .. im getting slightly nervous thinking this could potentially be brook & i may need to commence formalin instead .. although it could just be ich and will drop in several days then endup dying in the water/copper .. what do you guys think i should do from this point on ? continue with copper ? im thinking ill go 20 days in cupramine then clean the whole QT tank thoroughly with hot water/scrub it down then reintroduce & monitor for two weeks to be certain .. maybe im just overthinking it but i want to be sure i give this guy the best shot at a long life in our system without any diseases. im pretty sure its ich but i just want to be certain its not brook with the white-ish stomach. Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk |
10/12/2018, 08:56 AM | #2 |
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Blue Tang QT ich/velvet/brook what am i dealing with here ?
Looks like ick to me
brook is (for the most part) a clownfish disease and i don’t think its velvet because the skin would have a milky slime even stringy at times I usually Try putting a neon goby in with it to help remove the parasites that and proper meds it should be ok Make sure to give it some pipe joints to hide in they can really stress when not given a good place to hide Seems like you are doing a pretty good job so far |
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Hope all goes well from here on out .. fingers crossed !, In your experience do fish usually get a light dusting/white skin with ich ? Cheers mate. Sent from my 5009A using Tapatalk |
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10/12/2018, 10:11 AM | #4 | |
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I keep a bunch of different “cleaner” fish and inverts to help in the case of a breakout never hurts to have in qt and a Display To be honest no they don’t usually have that I have seen blue hippos skin look reflective and look like it has a “light white dusting” but in reality its a reflection of its skin Velvet is slimy so it would look like a film besides you would see the fish breathing hard etc seems like yours is doing well I would also look into Lymphocystis as thats a extremely common disease in blue hippo tangs because they stress very easily (treatment is do nothing unless it gets bad) |
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10/12/2018, 11:03 AM | #5 |
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Have you tried to raise the copper? 0.5 is really on the low side??
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10/12/2018, 01:47 PM | #6 |
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Could be ich but it may not be solely ich. A lot of the spots don’t appear round like they are with ich. Have you done a formalin bath or FW dip? Also, a cleaner goby will do nothing to help ich.
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was going to do a formalin bath today to be honest just to make sure .. but ill have to head down to lfs too pick some up .. but for the most part he seems to be doing good still and i dont want to stress unless its necessary so i might just hold off and see what happens.
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10/12/2018, 07:42 PM | #9 | |
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i have a tomini tang in my display that has some slight lympho at the moment which is slowly clearing up .. i thought that too .. but i didnt want to put it down to that aswell as the ich because what are the odds of getting two fish in a row that have lympho lol but i agree potentially could be that too.
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10/12/2018, 11:04 PM | #10 |
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Doesn't look like velvet or brook, but perhaps not solely ich either. These days I prefer CP for most skin parasites. Why the myth of cleaner as ich remedy persists I cannot fathom. The whitbspotsbare not ich, rather the skins reaction to the embedded parasite. The cleaner may well remove the white, but it does nothing to the actual parasite.
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Im a very big believer in natural remedies things that have been working in nature for thousands of years The so called “cleaners” gives you more time to get rid of the parasites It makes the fish more comfortable It prevents the fish from scratching itself (flashing) causing a bacterial infection (which is my belief is what kills the fish not the parasite but the infection that comes after) And can “clean” skin parasites very affectively i have seen it first hand for many years |
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Well said, i agree & prefer to do things as naturally as possible also while these things may or may not remove the parasite imo if it does or doesnt thats fine as copper will always do its job but in saying that theres no argument against the fact that taking these steps will aid the fish through a rough process & im all for that.
i prefer to run my reef naturally also using algae as a nutrient export along with water changes but over time i still ocassionally have to use either GFO or lanthanum chloride. do i like it .. not really .. but it works & ive never seen any negative effects in past tanks/my current one. Quote:
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10/13/2018, 09:41 PM | #13 |
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What works in nature is dilution. The ocean is big enough that the vast majority of ich theronts never encounter a fish and perish. No such luck in our aquariums. I'm all for biological controls - dusky wrasse for flatworms and pyramid snails as example - but I have seen no evidence, nor have read any credible claims, that a cleaner wrasse will help to control ich. Correlation is not causation. I'd hate to see people encouraged to buy cleaners when the vast majority will not survive.
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If dilution was the way nature kept it in check why do so many fish come in sick i don’t know if you have ever been to a “wholesaler” in indonesia but you see the fish that come in and allot of them have parasites straight from the ocean What happens in the ocean is there are many cleaners many different types and fish line up waiting to get cleaned or the cleaners travel with them cleaning the school and its a constant thing Fish don’t die from parasites its when the fish scratches itself to rid the parasite it gets a infection and that infection eats away at the fish killing it All my cleaners survive i don’t know what people are doing to kill them but the only time i lost a cleaner is when it jumped i have had cleaners for 5+ years and they keep my fish happy They do get lazy sometimes because they are getting food but if a fish comes close to any of them they would start “cleaning” I have seen first hand that these “cleaners” are being used to help alleviate the fish that go to them |
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Coming in with parasites and coming in 'sick' are not the same thing; most fish that get 'sick' do so once in the supply chain. Of course fish will come in with parasites, it's just a part of the way nature works. What is different is that the volume of the ocean means animals are more able to co-exist with parasites; as opposed to them being overwhelmed in a captive tank. I think adding a cleaner is poor advice - absent any actual credible data, we will have to agree to disagree on this.
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Unfortunately, cleaner wrasses/gobies/shrimp can't get to the ich or velvet, since it is under the skin of the fish. Freshwater dips also don't work for the same reason.
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Depending on what part of the lifecycle of the ich it would not eliminate the ich entirely and won’t replace a qt Ich can infect a entire aquarium with one drop of infected water And they don’t just alleviate ich they help with dead skin scales and more |
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