Regal Angel Primer - Page 176

scuzy · 05/09/2016, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by m0nkie

here's one I got. Got a cool little miss bar. collected from Marshalls. Arrives tomorrow morning! My first angel fish.

I'll be putting it in a 150gal SPS tank. I have a Moorish Idol in there that requires constant feeding. So hopefully the Regal will continue eating. It's currently eating mysis at Colin's.

https://youtu.be/1xbM6bv55hs

you get him from Collin?

m0nkie · 05/09/2016, 06:28 PM

yessir that's the one

ThRoewer · 05/09/2016, 06:30 PM

From what I've seen, that gap in the bar may actually close with time so he becomes normal colored.

m0nkie · 05/09/2016, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ThRoewer

From what I've seen, that gap in the bar may actually close with time so he becomes normal colored.

Still.. my first angelfish. so she'll always be special! haha

ThRoewer · 05/09/2016, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OrionN

What is the submission look like? My smaller blue chest compressed his fins and swim sideways a little (body horizontal, actually about 45 degree, to sand instead of vertical). Is that submission?

That's roughly how it looks like, though the compressed fins for itself can also be the precursor to aggression or an attack.
For the submission pose they get their body in somewhat of an "S" shape while tilted sidewise and in front of the dominant, usually exposing their side.
From above it looks like they try to form an italic "T".
When it gets further towards bonding and spawning the female may also do something similar to the sidewise shaking you see with clownfish.
I've seen that all with dwarf angels (C. argi, C. bicolor, C. bispinosa).

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Originally Posted by Salty150

How can you tell which is a male and which is a female? lol

The little ones are all still females, but the larger one will eventually become the male.
I would say everything that comes in below 5 to 6 inch is still female.

Mature males have massive gill thorns, usually twice as long as those of females of equal size. This is usually the easiest way to tell male and female apart.

Under aquarium conditions they may mature at a smaller size, but the gill thorn difference between male and female should always develop.

carrots · 05/09/2016, 07:04 PM

What's up with the flood of small yellow belly regals suddenly available. I picked up one that is under 2" and though it is eating and doing well in QT I'm still worried if it was captured with cyanide. When trying to get him to start eating, I used every live food I could find and wouldn't you know it he prefers small pellets, but only while they are sinking. Once any food hits the bottom he will not touch it. He started eating Mysis but I have to chop it up first due to his size.

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scuzy · 05/09/2016, 07:18 PM

Do you guys feed fresh manila clams from the Asian market once in awhile?

m0nkie · 05/09/2016, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by scuzy

Do you guys feed fresh manila clams from the Asian market once in awhile?

yes and all the fish love it! you can buy the large ones and just toss half shell in.

I've been feeding all my fish wild caught frozen from Asian market. grind them to small pieces and freeze into thin sheets. Then just clip a piece onto a nori holder and watch the fish go nuts!

codydemmel4 · 05/09/2016, 07:34 PM

Wish I could find one of these by me to buy

BigBlueTang · 05/09/2016, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by codydemmel4

Wish I could find one of these by me to buy

YBR are popping up everywhere.. Shouldn't be very hard to find one from ordering one from a LFS or online...

alton · 05/09/2016, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by carrots

What's up with the flood of small yellow belly regals suddenly available. I picked up one that is under 2" and though it is eating and doing well in QT I'm still worried if it was captured with cyanide. When trying to get him to start eating, I used every live food I could find and wouldn't you know it he prefers small pellets, but only while they are sinking. Once any food hits the bottom he will not touch it. He started eating Mysis but I have to chop it up first due to his size.

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That's why I can't wait till 30 days is up

AD87 · 05/09/2016, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by alton

That's why I can't wait till 30 days is up

My small one was doing great, eating and all. After the 2 week caught him breathing fast then, bam dead. Is that a sign that he was caught with cynaid?

ThRoewer · 05/09/2016, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by carrots

What's up with the flood of small yellow belly regals suddenly available. I picked up one that is under 2" and though it is eating and doing well in QT I'm still worried if it was captured with cyanide. When trying to get him to start eating, I used every live food I could find and wouldn't you know it he prefers small pellets, but only while they are sinking. Once any food hits the bottom he will not touch it. He started eating Mysis but I have to chop it up first due to his size.

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You know where he is from?

I think at that size they are still opportunist feeders that take whatever they find.

alton · 05/10/2016, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by carrots

What's up with the flood of small yellow belly regals suddenly available. I picked up one that is under 2" and though it is eating and doing well in QT I'm still worried if it was captured with cyanide. When trying to get him to start eating, I used every live food I could find and wouldn't you know it he prefers small pellets, but only while they are sinking. Once any food hits the bottom he will not touch it. He started eating Mysis but I have to chop it up first due to his size.

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There was a year around the turn of the century that tiny clown triggers flooded the market. Every LFS in my area had 20 of them at $10 each. Maybe where ever these guys are coming from they had an extremely good hatch? As brave as mine is I am hoping he just swam out to the diver and was snagged with a net.

OrionN · 05/10/2016, 06:14 AM

Is he in your office tank already? Did you pick up the new on at LFS also?

Giovanni · 05/10/2016, 06:35 AM

If these guys start popping up like the clowns did for lower prices, I will be snagging a few!

splix · 05/10/2016, 07:00 AM

I've seen a lot on DD lately. My LFS got a yellow belly in, 5+", sold it to me for 1/2 of what they're on divers den for, which means he got it very cheap also.

carrots · 05/10/2016, 07:41 AM

My little guy was listed as Orange Belly Regal Africa. My LFS got four in and sold all in a week. They were all thin but were tasting everything offered. Mine started swallowing food on day 3 but only small amounts at a time. It likes "Zoo Pro" pellets which I'm feeding about six times a day.

alton · 05/10/2016, 11:50 AM

Minh I broke all my rules and the Golden rule of QT with this regal. With me being 0 for 2 with tiny regals I decided to do something different, right or wrong. I bathed her in everything from formalin to methane blue to prazi pro for over 3 hours before placing her in my office tank. I didn’t have to worry about aggressive fish since all the fish are social with a pair of golden angels that never some out of the rocks other than to eat, blue spot jawfish and a very small CBB. Since it is my office tank she gets fed 8 times a day on average. Plus has plenty of liverock to graze on since the golden do not graze in the open. This one came from LA and the second one was delivered today, currently in Prazi Pro bath

Salty150 · 05/10/2016, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by alton

Minh I broke all my rules and the Golden rule of QT with this regal. With me being 0 for 2 with tiny regals I decided to do something different, right or wrong. I bathed her in everything from formalin to methane blue to prazi pro for over 3 hours before placing her in my office tank. I didn’t have to worry about aggressive fish since all the fish are social with a pair of golden angels that never some out of the rocks other than to eat, blue spot jawfish and a very small CBB. Since it is my office tank she gets fed 8 times a day on average. Plus has plenty of liverock to graze on since the golden do not graze in the open. This one came from LA and the second one was delivered today, currently in Prazi Pro bath

What is your formaline, meth blue, and prazipro procedure?

alton · 05/10/2016, 01:49 PM

Acclimate to my water then 1 gallon of my tank water mixed with 1/2ml of ich x for 1 hr. Then the exact same in another bucket with 1/2ml methane blue, and then a new bucket with 1/2ml prazi pro. After I place in another bucket with just tank water, after 1/2 hr I move it into my tank. I move the fish from bucket to bucket using a styrofoam cup. Like I said not the way I normally have done it right or wrong, I just wasn't going to place a fish in my tank without some sort of bath. Todays process took 4 1/2 hours. Minh the new fish is even smaller than the first, and I am not sure if the CBB is not happy seeing another regal but he is being a little bit of a bully.

Salty150 · 05/10/2016, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alton

I am not sure if the CBB is not happy seeing another regal but he is being a little bit of a bully.

Give him a mirror, lol

Salty150 · 05/10/2016, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by alton

Acclimate to my water then 1 gallon of my tank water mixed with 1/2ml of ich x for 1 hr. Then the exact same in another bucket with 1/2ml methane blue, and then a new bucket with 1/2ml prazi pro. After I place in another bucket with just tank water, after 1/2 hr I move it into my tank. I move the fish from bucket to bucket using a styrofoam cup. Like I said not the way I normally have done it right or wrong, I just wasn't going to place a fish in my tank without some sort of bath. Todays process took 4 1/2 hours. Minh the new fish is even smaller than the first, and I am not sure if the CBB is not happy seeing another regal but he is being a little bit of a bully.

Just wondering/an idea... (and if you weren't in a hurry to get the fish into your display...)

Couldn't all that be done in the QT?

Put the fish in the QT - add the Formalin - then after (an hour?, or?) run carbon to get rid of the Formalin.

Then the next day - add the Meth Blue for (an hour?, or?) - run carbon to get rid of the Meth Blue.

Then the next day add the Prazi for (an hour?, or?) - run the carbon to get rid of the Prazi.

And then just let the fish stay in QT for awhile?

scuzy · 05/10/2016, 02:13 PM

i would formalin bath, then ttm, prazi during ttm and then in to cycle QT tank for observation for velvet. and if all goes well after 2 weeks place in display.

scuzy · 05/10/2016, 02:18 PM

My regal actually went through a second formalin bath before going to its third transfer.

05/09/2016, 06:28 PM	#4377
m0nkie Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: LA Posts: 6,264	yessir that's the one __________________ 560gal in the making

05/09/2016, 06:30 PM	#4378
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	From what I've seen, that gap in the bar may actually close with time so he becomes normal colored. __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

05/09/2016, 07:04 PM	#4381
carrots Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Mendham, NJ USA Posts: 395	small Regals What's up with the flood of small yellow belly regals suddenly available. I picked up one that is under 2" and though it is eating and doing well in QT I'm still worried if it was captured with cyanide. When trying to get him to start eating, I used every live food I could find and wouldn't you know it he prefers small pellets, but only while they are sinking. Once any food hits the bottom he will not touch it. He started eating Mysis but I have to chop it up first due to his size. IMG_1586[1].jpg

05/09/2016, 07:34 PM	#4384
codydemmel4 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Center Valley PA Posts: 1,479	Wish I could find one of these by me to buy __________________ -Cody SPS Dominant 180 gallon. Link to my tank: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2618245

05/10/2016, 06:14 AM	#4390
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	Is he in your office tank already? Did you pick up the new on at LFS also? __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

05/09/2016, 07:18 PM	#4382
scuzy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 6,499	Do you guys feed fresh manila clams from the Asian market once in awhile?

05/10/2016, 06:35 AM	#4391
Giovanni AKA Flippa Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: KY Posts: 2,207 Blog Entries: 8	If these guys start popping up like the clowns did for lower prices, I will be snagging a few! __________________ Giovanni Most of My Money I Spent On Whiskey, Women and Reefing, The Rest I Just Waisted! Current Tank Info: 180 Mixed Reef

05/10/2016, 07:00 AM	#4392
splix Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Indiana Posts: 374	I've seen a lot on DD lately. My LFS got a yellow belly in, 5+", sold it to me for 1/2 of what they're on divers den for, which means he got it very cheap also.

05/10/2016, 07:41 AM	#4393
carrots Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Mendham, NJ USA Posts: 395	My little guy was listed as Orange Belly Regal Africa. My LFS got four in and sold all in a week. They were all thin but were tasting everything offered. Mine started swallowing food on day 3 but only small amounts at a time. It likes "Zoo Pro" pellets which I'm feeding about six times a day.

05/10/2016, 11:50 AM	#4394
alton Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Zuehl, Texas Posts: 4,460	Minh I broke all my rules and the Golden rule of QT with this regal. With me being 0 for 2 with tiny regals I decided to do something different, right or wrong. I bathed her in everything from formalin to methane blue to prazi pro for over 3 hours before placing her in my office tank. I didn’t have to worry about aggressive fish since all the fish are social with a pair of golden angels that never some out of the rocks other than to eat, blue spot jawfish and a very small CBB. Since it is my office tank she gets fed 8 times a day on average. Plus has plenty of liverock to graze on since the golden do not graze in the open. This one came from LA and the second one was delivered today, currently in Prazi Pro bath Last edited by alton; 05/10/2016 at 11:55 AM.

05/10/2016, 01:49 PM	#4396
alton Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Zuehl, Texas Posts: 4,460	Acclimate to my water then 1 gallon of my tank water mixed with 1/2ml of ich x for 1 hr. Then the exact same in another bucket with 1/2ml methane blue, and then a new bucket with 1/2ml prazi pro. After I place in another bucket with just tank water, after 1/2 hr I move it into my tank. I move the fish from bucket to bucket using a styrofoam cup. Like I said not the way I normally have done it right or wrong, I just wasn't going to place a fish in my tank without some sort of bath. Todays process took 4 1/2 hours. Minh the new fish is even smaller than the first, and I am not sure if the CBB is not happy seeing another regal but he is being a little bit of a bully.

05/10/2016, 02:13 PM	#4399
scuzy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 6,499	i would formalin bath, then ttm, prazi during ttm and then in to cycle QT tank for observation for velvet. and if all goes well after 2 weeks place in display.

05/10/2016, 02:18 PM	#4400
scuzy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 6,499	My regal actually went through a second formalin bath before going to its third transfer.