Question on Starting Program

Marc11 · 03/06/2016, 02:31 PM

So I did a 10% water change with AF Probiotic salt today.
Tested everything:
Salinity- 1.025
Alk - 7.7
Cal- 435
Mag- 1340
No3- 0
Po4- .04

My question is with my nutrients so low can I start the program? Afraid to add phos minus, carbon, and zeo mix. Am I crazy or just set is up and start feeding tonight?

I have a 50gallon cube with about 60 total water volume.

Here is what I have:
Probiotics and Nitrification:
Pro Bio S
NP Pro

Supplements and foods:
AF Coral Food

AF Coral A
AF Coral V
AF Coral E
AF Coral B
Fish V

Additives:
Component A
Component B
Component C

Media:
Phos Minus
Carbon
Zeo Mix

Not doing Coral F (only have sps)

With my current setup I will be maintaining alk, cal, and mag by kalkwasser and b-ionic.

Aquaforest · 03/07/2016, 01:46 AM

Hello,
For start You Can use our supplements and foods salt and additives (components)
If You are afraid about nutrients You don't have to use Filtration media or You Can use but half dose, or use Carbon only for start.

Can I see photos of Your tank?

Regards,
Aquaforest

Marc11 · 03/07/2016, 04:59 PM

Have about 30 sps frags. Most are 1 inch and 8 are 2-3 inches.

Marc11 · 03/10/2016, 05:52 AM

Any recommendations after seeing the picture?

Aquaforest · 03/14/2016, 06:03 AM

For that small frags We recommend to dose per 1 drop every other day every supplements
and Pro Bio S - 2 drops daily, -NP Pro - 2 drops daily.

Regards,
Aquaforest

Marc11 · 03/17/2016, 08:41 AM

I have been dosing 1 drop of E and B every day and 1 drop of A and V every other day. I also have been doing 1 drip of Pro bio in sump every morning, and 1 drop of NP Pro every morning in tank.

Marc11 · 03/17/2016, 08:41 AM

And 5ml of A B and C with 5 gallon water change once a week.

Tweaked · 03/17/2016, 09:22 AM

Way to take it slow, perfect Marc. Not seeing a bacteria bloom? Start the two drops of bio s and np pro in the mornings. On the foods, I would hold at 1 for now and only if I saw starvation would I up the foods yet.

Jimmy75 · 03/18/2016, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc11

I have been dosing 1 drop of E and B every day and 1 drop of A and V every other day. I also have been doing 1 drip of Pro bio in sump every morning, and 1 drop of NP Pro every morning in tank.

Any reason why pro Bio in sump while NP pro in tank?

plyle02 · 03/18/2016, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy75

Any reason why pro Bio in sump while NP pro in tank?

I really don't think it matters. I would imagine to dilute as NP pro has been reported of making skimmer go nuts for a little while. And just thinking logically, if you use siporax, matrix, or zeolites, or all 3 like myself, the bacteria dosed where those medias are kept would reach them with a higher concentration, if dosed to that part of the sump area. I am speculating, but I think the same applies to NP Pro. I dose NP Pro to the middle chamber of my sump, as well as Pro Bio S and Pro Bio F(every other day). Of course this chamber of my sump where I dose has the medias and is after the skimmer and before the return pump...
Regards,

Marc11 · 03/18/2016, 10:06 AM

It just said in the directions to put it in sump. I'm assuming for the reason stated by plyle02.

Marc11 · 03/18/2016, 10:07 AM

Tweaked- no bacteria bloom, in fact quite the opposite, my water actually got more clear.

Tweaked · 03/21/2016, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc11

Tweaked- no bacteria bloom, in fact quite the opposite, my water actually got more clear.

Yea and I burnt tips cause of this lol.

Marc11 · 03/21/2016, 11:32 AM

I only have burnt tips on one wild milli. Everything else seems okay. I took your advice and upped the Pro Bio and NP pro to 2 drops. Still one drop for supplements.

Aquaforest · 03/23/2016, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc11

I only have burnt tips on one wild milli. Everything else seems okay. I took your advice and upped the Pro Bio and NP pro to 2 drops. Still one drop for supplements.

Correct. Try to rise Pro Bio S and -NP Pro to 2 drops.
Supplements still 1 drop.

Regards,
Aquaforest

Marc11 · 03/25/2016, 03:31 PM

Red Dragon Colony showing signs of burnt tips as well as a wild milli. Should i drop back to 1 drop of Pro Bio S and -NP Pro or up the other supplements to 2 drops. Or leave it and see what happens

Marc11 · 03/28/2016, 04:13 PM

Lost red dragon colony

Aquaforest · 03/29/2016, 12:32 AM

Can We see any photos of that?
How it was look?
Maybe it was light or high potassium?

Marc11 · 03/29/2016, 04:47 AM

I fragged the tips last night in a last ditch effort to save it (so no photo) As for high potassium, I dont think that is it as I have been dosing ABC and not Kalium. Just started Kalium last night.

Marc11 · 03/29/2016, 05:21 PM

Alk -8.1
Cal -440
Mag -1360
No3 - 0
Po4- .02

Not using carbon, phos minus, or zeo as my No3 and Po4 are low. Should I be using them with my nutrients so low?

Marc11 · 04/06/2016, 06:08 AM

All corals doing fine, even added a few wild Australian frags and they are doing well. Not sure why the Red Dragon died.

Tweaked · 04/06/2016, 11:30 AM

Great to hear Marc. Still dosing at half recommended?

Marc11 · 04/07/2016, 07:44 AM

Yes. I have still held off from using phos minus, carbon, and zeo. Im going to Italy in a week. Might start them up in small dosage when I get back. Im a little nervous with my wife continuing the AF program while I'm away.

Tweaked · 04/07/2016, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc11

Yes. I have still held off from using phos minus, carbon, and zeo. Im going to Italy in a week. Might start them up in small dosage when I get back. Im a little nervous with my wife continuing the AF program while I'm away.

Considering its simplified in a drop or two of each, it's probably one of the easiest programs out there! Have fun in Italy you lucky SOB

Marc11 · 07/08/2016, 11:55 AM

Corals are still growing like crazy, but a very pale. Still doing 2 drops of ProBio and NP pro in the morning and 1 drop on the foods. Should I up to the recommended 2 drops on food.

03/06/2016, 02:31 PM	#1
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	Question on Starting Program So I did a 10% water change with AF Probiotic salt today. Tested everything: Salinity- 1.025 Alk - 7.7 Cal- 435 Mag- 1340 No3- 0 Po4- .04 My question is with my nutrients so low can I start the program? Afraid to add phos minus, carbon, and zeo mix. Am I crazy or just set is up and start feeding tonight? I have a 50gallon cube with about 60 total water volume. Here is what I have: Probiotics and Nitrification: Pro Bio S NP Pro Supplements and foods: AF Coral Food AF Coral A AF Coral V AF Coral E AF Coral B Fish V Additives: Component A Component B Component C Media: Phos Minus Carbon Zeo Mix Not doing Coral F (only have sps) With my current setup I will be maintaining alk, cal, and mag by kalkwasser and b-ionic.

03/17/2016, 09:22 AM	#8
Tweaked FUP&A Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Madison, CT Posts: 7,722	Way to take it slow, perfect Marc. Not seeing a bacteria bloom? Start the two drops of bio s and np pro in the mornings. On the foods, I would hold at 1 for now and only if I saw starvation would I up the foods yet. __________________ DSA 105 Pro, Cebu Sun-Radiums-M80 Ballasts, 4 T5's, XHO LEDs. Through Wall 55g Sump, 10g Frag and 29g Display attached, Vertex V6, 3 mp40's, Gyre, 2 mp10's, GFO, Carbon, Pellets - 10g Bar Tank

04/06/2016, 11:30 AM	#22
Tweaked FUP&A Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Madison, CT Posts: 7,722	Great to hear Marc. Still dosing at half recommended? __________________ DSA 105 Pro, Cebu Sun-Radiums-M80 Ballasts, 4 T5's, XHO LEDs. Through Wall 55g Sump, 10g Frag and 29g Display attached, Vertex V6, 3 mp40's, Gyre, 2 mp10's, GFO, Carbon, Pellets - 10g Bar Tank

03/07/2016, 01:46 AM	#2
Aquaforest RC Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 558	Hello, For start You Can use our supplements and foods salt and additives (components) If You are afraid about nutrients You don't have to use Filtration media or You Can use but half dose, or use Carbon only for start. Can I see photos of Your tank? Regards, Aquaforest

03/07/2016, 04:59 PM	#3
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	Have about 30 sps frags. Most are 1 inch and 8 are 2-3 inches.

03/10/2016, 05:52 AM	#4
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	Any recommendations after seeing the picture?

03/14/2016, 06:03 AM	#5
Aquaforest RC Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 558	For that small frags We recommend to dose per 1 drop every other day every supplements and Pro Bio S - 2 drops daily, -NP Pro - 2 drops daily. Regards, Aquaforest

03/17/2016, 08:41 AM	#6
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	I have been dosing 1 drop of E and B every day and 1 drop of A and V every other day. I also have been doing 1 drip of Pro bio in sump every morning, and 1 drop of NP Pro every morning in tank.

03/18/2016, 10:06 AM	#11
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	It just said in the directions to put it in sump. I'm assuming for the reason stated by plyle02.

03/18/2016, 10:07 AM	#12
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	Tweaked- no bacteria bloom, in fact quite the opposite, my water actually got more clear.

03/21/2016, 11:32 AM	#14
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	I only have burnt tips on one wild milli. Everything else seems okay. I took your advice and upped the Pro Bio and NP pro to 2 drops. Still one drop for supplements.

03/25/2016, 03:31 PM	#16
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	Red Dragon Colony showing signs of burnt tips as well as a wild milli. Should i drop back to 1 drop of Pro Bio S and -NP Pro or up the other supplements to 2 drops. Or leave it and see what happens

03/28/2016, 04:13 PM	#17
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	Lost red dragon colony

03/29/2016, 12:32 AM	#18
Aquaforest RC Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 558	Can We see any photos of that? How it was look? Maybe it was light or high potassium?

03/29/2016, 04:47 AM	#19
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	I fragged the tips last night in a last ditch effort to save it (so no photo) As for high potassium, I dont think that is it as I have been dosing ABC and not Kalium. Just started Kalium last night.

03/29/2016, 05:21 PM	#20
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	Alk -8.1 Cal -440 Mag -1360 No3 - 0 Po4- .02 Not using carbon, phos minus, or zeo as my No3 and Po4 are low. Should I be using them with my nutrients so low?

04/06/2016, 06:08 AM	#21
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	All corals doing fine, even added a few wild Australian frags and they are doing well. Not sure why the Red Dragon died.

04/07/2016, 07:44 AM	#23
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	Yes. I have still held off from using phos minus, carbon, and zeo. Im going to Italy in a week. Might start them up in small dosage when I get back. Im a little nervous with my wife continuing the AF program while I'm away.

07/08/2016, 11:55 AM	#25
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	Corals are still growing like crazy, but a very pale. Still doing 2 drops of ProBio and NP pro in the morning and 1 drop on the foods. Should I up to the recommended 2 drops on food.