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Unread 10/19/2016, 07:29 PM   #701
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Thanks!
The gyres are great. One on each side at the top, controlled by the Apex. Pretty much maintainence free for me. I keep an extra one to swap out if something happens and an extra motor for repairs.


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Unread 10/19/2016, 09:45 PM   #702
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I had a bad round of RTN in the last year after changing in tank water pumps, and after it cleared up (august) and things started growing well, I dosed Amquel to the display (late night decision), and the next morning all the acros were dead. The LPS were fine. Funny the top half of the tank, gone, the bottom half fine.
Since then, I have changed to LED's (radion gen 3) because what with no acros why not. I have changed the flow even more, replacing the loc line manifold with 2 gyres, again, why not what with no acros. I am also doing automated daily water changes with NSW. I was doing about 5 liters a day, but did some math and upped it to 20 liters a day for a while at least to see if that has any effect on nitrate/phosphate. The system is now connected to my experimental system on the other side of the house, so the volume has gone from approx 250 to 500 gallons. I replaced my DIY CaRx with one of Bill Wann's beauties. I am also dosing vinegar, 50 ml/day currently. In July I cleaned a bunch of detritus out of the pre sump. I have also switched foods - no RN products and am feeding LRS and cyclopeeze, along with various pellets in the auto feeder.
Thinks seems mostly dialed in and the acros seem to be growing quickly again - frags seem to do better than maricultured mini colonies. I got a bunch of frags in September from various people including ReefGen - I love their plugs! - and will be getting some frags from UniqueCorals this week.

After about 5 months of the above, not much has changed water quality wise:


Here are the recent pic and AWT numbers



Date (mm-dd-yyyy) - Source - Test ID:
02-17-2016 - Home Display - 7 of 12 *



Home Display - 7 of 12 *
02-17-2016 Ammonia (NH3-4) Good 0.03 0.000 - 0.050 mg/L
02-17-2016 Nitrite (NO2) Good 0.003 0.000 - 0.100 mg/L
02-17-2016 Phosphate (PO4) High 1.88 0.000 - 0.250 mg/L
02-17-2016 Nitrate (NO3) High 62 0.000 - 25.000 mg/L
02-17-2016 Silica (Sio2-3) High 0.8 0.000 - 0.500 mg/L
02-17-2016 Potassium (K) Good 369 350.000 - 450.000 mg/L
02-17-2016 Ionic Calcium (Ca) Good 184 100.000 - 400.000 mg/L
02-17-2016 Boron (B) NA NA 3.000 - 6.000 mg/L
02-17-2016 Molybdenum (Mo) Good 0.2 0.000 - 0.300 mg/L
02-17-2016 Strontium (Sr) Good 8.5 5.000 - 12.000 mg/L
02-17-2016 Magnesium (Mg) Good 1400 1100.000 - 1400.000 mg/L
02-17-2016 Iodine (I) Good 0.03 0.030 - 0.090 mg/L
02-17-2016 Copper (Cu) Good 0.01 0.000 - 0.100 mg/L
02-17-2016 Alkalinity (meq/L) Good 3.2 2.500 - 5.000 meq/L
02-17-2016 Total Calcium (Ca) Good 380 350.000 - 450.000 mg/L
02-17-2016 Iron (Fe) NA NA 0.000 - 0.010 mg/L
Beautiful tank and thanks for sharing!

Just a side note, FWIW, I have a hard time trusting AWT results.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24141851


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Unread 10/20/2016, 02:21 AM   #703
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Thanks!

I have a hard time accepting all test results

http://packedhead.net/2014/skeptical...and-phosphate/

I have a hard time accepting Triton results.

http://packedhead.net/2015/triton-la...ater-standard/

That said jason2459, I am not sure what you actually did. Were you testing various testing methodologies with tank water? If so, how do you know anything was accurate?

In general I don't really care about the actual numbers in any test, but do care about apparent trends. I do make the assumption that AWT tests roughly the same way all the time, so the trends I get can be considered useful. I also tested samples sent to AWT with the lab at work and got similar results and trends over time which allows me to feel slightly better about that assumption.

If you are more video minded, I talk about much of this kind of thing in this talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRIKW-9d2xI, including the hanna checker which I feel is neither accurate nor precise.


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Unread 10/20/2016, 04:39 AM   #704
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I think it's funny how this thread is based on phosphate numbers but you say there isn't a test you trust But seriously the tank is looking much more colorful in the last picture. I love that new skimmer!


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Unread 10/20/2016, 08:59 AM   #705
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I totally agree with being skeptical of Triton's results as well. Especially their ability to test the minor and trace elements. I've been having a very informative dialog with the owner of ENC Labs about this as well.

I also agree trend setting is useful with any testing regardless of who is testing.

However, I have gotten precise and accurate enough results from my hanna ulr phosphorus checker. But I know others have not for one reason or another. Melev has a good blog post on them which was not a positive review for it.


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I totally agree with being skeptical of Triton's results as well. Especially their ability to test the minor and trace elements. I've been having a very informative dialog with the owner of ENC Labs about this as well.

I also agree trend setting is useful with any testing regardless of who is testing.

However, I have gotten precise and accurate enough results from my hanna ulr phosphorus checker. But I know others have not for one reason or another. Melev has a good blog post on them which was not a positive review for it.
Cool. Maybe the new version is better. How are you determining accuracy?


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Cool. Maybe the new version is better. How are you determining accuracy?
Known standard solutions and cross checking with various other kits and results from Triton and Aquaforest ICP have matched up well every time.

Edit: here's my final shootout thread with links to all the others.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2558208


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Fwiw, I'll be writing up much about what I've discussed with ENC Labs as well as results of several Saltmixes but awaiting those results right now from AquaForest.

In this thread http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2554264


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Great. Those threads confuse me a bit. What standards did you use?


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Great. Those threads confuse me a bit. What standards did you use?
I have used a couple from Hanna
http://hannainst.com/hi736-11-phosph...ation-set.html

Hach
http://www.hach.com/phosphate-standa...?id=7640200673


as well as mixing up my own.


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Thanks! If I have time I'll dig into those.


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Rich, the tank is looking fantastic.
With your access to auto wcs with fresh sea water, I assume you have deliberately kept them small enough so as to maintain the high levels of N and p.
No planes to use the auto wc to drop the levels?
I guess that would be counter to the point of this thread but it must be tempting.


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I dig thoes dendros and rhizos too I think I see. Don't see them often if At all in sps systems, how long have you had them?


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Rich, the tank is looking fantastic.
With your access to auto wcs with fresh sea water, I assume you have deliberately kept them small enough so as to maintain the high levels of N and p.
No planes to use the auto wc to drop the levels?
I guess that would be counter to the point of this thread but it must be tempting.
I am currently changing 6 gallons a day which is about 30% effective water change a month. The Phosphate has come down, now running about 1.5 before running above 2.5. Th nitrate has come down too, now running around 30, before running above 60. I actually expected both levels to drop more, so much so that I also took off the RDSB which I thought might be a source of the phosphate. I suppose the amount of food I am putting into the tank must be responsible for the levels I am seeing, but since they are 1/2 the levels I was seeing before, and I was getting good growth before, I don't feel compelled to use resources to lower them even further. When I move to the auto WC and NSW I did some big water changes but IIRC the levels didn't seem to budge.
I have no problem with dropping the levels, but I need a good reason to do it. Remember this whole thing started when I stopped being a slave to gfo!


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I haven't gone back in this thread to find the answer to this question and if it is there, it's got to be a few pages back..
Have you experimented with carbon dosing on this tank? Before the auto wcs?
What's your opinion on carbon dosing? Especially with a system as 'nutrient challenged' as this one?


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I haven't gone back in this thread to find the answer to this question and if it is there, it's got to be a few pages back..
Have you experimented with carbon dosing on this tank? Before the auto wcs?
What's your opinion on carbon dosing? Especially with a system as 'nutrient challenged' as this one?
I was dosing vinegar for a long time before and during the awc. Didn't seem to impact my levels at all. I think carbon dosing can work great for nitrates if you dose enough - I did it in a ceph system - but never have seen it impact phosphates. I stopped for the same reason as GFO, I just got tired of doing it.


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In case you are not aware of this conversation, you might find it interesting as it pertains to you nutrient levels.. or might find it interesting anyways..

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2612365


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In case you are not aware of this conversation, you might find it interesting as it pertains to you nutrient levels.. or might find it interesting anyways..

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2612365
Cool I o see the icp article referenced. Sad to see questions converted into disrespect. I am about halfway through.


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In case you are not aware of this conversation, you might find it interesting as it pertains to you nutrient levels.. or might find it interesting anyways..

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2612365
Thanks again for that. Interesting stuff. I hope they do publish and I hope it all pans out.


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I was dosing vinegar for a long time before and during the awc. Didn't seem to impact my levels at all. I think carbon dosing can work great for nitrates if you dose enough - I did it in a ceph system - but never have seen it impact phosphates. I stopped for the same reason as GFO, I just got tired of doing it.
Tanks are different ; been dosing carbon for about 7 years( vodka and vinegar. It does reduce phosphate very well eliminating the need for gfo in my heavily fed aquariums while maintaining PO4 in the 0.01 to 0.04 ppm range per hannah 713 and nitrate around 0.2ppm per Salifert. When I rarely miss a dose it shows.

Sponge growth is also proliferous and I suspect the food chain is enhanced in other ways from teh extra bacteria.

IME , vodka and vinegar dosing and the acetobacter and heterotrophic bacteria it supports hit PO4 harder early on while nitrate reduction for nitrate in the tank at start up takes more time probably due to a preference of the heterotrophic bacteria for ammonia as a nitrogen source vs nitrate.


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Interesting. I would love to see numbers that support the idea that carbon dosing impacts PO4 early in the cycles as opposed to later in the cycle. I would also like to see the numbers of PO4 going down in established systems due to carbon dosing - I hear that it does it all the time, but I can't remember actually seeing evidence to support that claim. Thanks!


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I don't have peer reviewed data only 7 years of personal logs and observations . I can'; recall the initial PO4 level but could dust of some of the logs and find it. It was pretty high and algae was a persistent issue. Other folks have anecdotally reported similar responses in a number of threads including this one which may be of some interest if you are considering organic carbon dosing :

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...+carbon+dosing



Some use gfo along side carbon dosing early in the process if fixated on extremely low PO4 and NO3 numbers which can lead to limiting deificiencies IMO. I don't think it's necessary and haven't used any in years. I dose 40 ml of 80 proof vodka and 80 ml of 5% acetic acid daily to the 650 gallon system which is packed with corals , a large fish population and is heavily fed.

I surmise the heterotrophic bacteria and the acetobacters produce a relatively large biomass consuming significant amounts of orthophosphate relative to NO3 since they take ammonia preferentially for nitrogen in a one step process thus limiting typical ammonia oxidation and nitrification but not using much pre existing nitrate which can take a long time to fall.

The vodka is dosed in two bolus doses 30ml in the am and another 10ml at night ; when I miss a night dose the PO4 on the next am reading will be higher than usual; i.e. around .06ppm vs the usual .02ppm .
The .02ppm to .04 range as read from my tests seems about right for coral vibrancy and limited nuisace alge in my tanks. It may not be the best way to go for all and there are folks who have sucesss with corals who prefer other methods but organic carbon dosing has helped me keep a wide variety of corals in the sps dominant system for a long time and to manage PO4 levels. right off the bat.


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I have experience with carbon dosing. I did it at home for a couple years and do it at work regularly. Anecdotally, I find there are at least the same number of people that report no or little PO4 change as there are that do, which is why I am interested in more than anecdote.
What are you testing with to trust numbers as low as .02?
As I said earlier, my I stopped at home because there was no difference in PO4 levels and I have no algae problems (except a few patches of bryopsis up high were it is hard to eat) and my system is heavily fed and is packed with corals and is sps dominant and the corals are vibrant. Part of the whole purpose of this thread was to question the general desire to dose something to lower PO4, because it may not be needed. With my PO4 level and my coral growth and color, I am not sure what benefits I get from trying to lower the level.
Interesting stuff, thanks!



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