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The gyres are great. One on each side at the top, controlled by the Apex. Pretty much maintainence free for me. I keep an extra one to swap out if something happens and an extra motor for repairs.
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Just a side note, FWIW, I have a hard time trusting AWT results. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24141851
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I have a hard time accepting all test results http://packedhead.net/2014/skeptical...and-phosphate/ I have a hard time accepting Triton results. http://packedhead.net/2015/triton-la...ater-standard/ That said jason2459, I am not sure what you actually did. Were you testing various testing methodologies with tank water? If so, how do you know anything was accurate? In general I don't really care about the actual numbers in any test, but do care about apparent trends. I do make the assumption that AWT tests roughly the same way all the time, so the trends I get can be considered useful. I also tested samples sent to AWT with the lab at work and got similar results and trends over time which allows me to feel slightly better about that assumption. If you are more video minded, I talk about much of this kind of thing in this talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRIKW-9d2xI, including the hanna checker which I feel is neither accurate nor precise.
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I think it's funny how this thread is based on phosphate numbers but you say there isn't a test you trust But seriously the tank is looking much more colorful in the last picture. I love that new skimmer!
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I totally agree with being skeptical of Triton's results as well. Especially their ability to test the minor and trace elements. I've been having a very informative dialog with the owner of ENC Labs about this as well.
I also agree trend setting is useful with any testing regardless of who is testing. However, I have gotten precise and accurate enough results from my hanna ulr phosphorus checker. But I know others have not for one reason or another. Melev has a good blog post on them which was not a positive review for it.
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Edit: here's my final shootout thread with links to all the others. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2558208
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Fwiw, I'll be writing up much about what I've discussed with ENC Labs as well as results of several Saltmixes but awaiting those results right now from AquaForest.
In this thread http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2554264
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Great. Those threads confuse me a bit. What standards did you use?
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http://hannainst.com/hi736-11-phosph...ation-set.html Hach http://www.hach.com/phosphate-standa...?id=7640200673 as well as mixing up my own.
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Thanks! If I have time I'll dig into those.
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Rich, the tank is looking fantastic.
With your access to auto wcs with fresh sea water, I assume you have deliberately kept them small enough so as to maintain the high levels of N and p. No planes to use the auto wc to drop the levels? I guess that would be counter to the point of this thread but it must be tempting.
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I dig thoes dendros and rhizos too I think I see. Don't see them often if At all in sps systems, how long have you had them?
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I have no problem with dropping the levels, but I need a good reason to do it. Remember this whole thing started when I stopped being a slave to gfo!
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I haven't gone back in this thread to find the answer to this question and if it is there, it's got to be a few pages back..
Have you experimented with carbon dosing on this tank? Before the auto wcs? What's your opinion on carbon dosing? Especially with a system as 'nutrient challenged' as this one?
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In case you are not aware of this conversation, you might find it interesting as it pertains to you nutrient levels.. or might find it interesting anyways..
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2612365
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Guess the Phosphate level
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Sponge growth is also proliferous and I suspect the food chain is enhanced in other ways from teh extra bacteria. IME , vodka and vinegar dosing and the acetobacter and heterotrophic bacteria it supports hit PO4 harder early on while nitrate reduction for nitrate in the tank at start up takes more time probably due to a preference of the heterotrophic bacteria for ammonia as a nitrogen source vs nitrate.
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Interesting. I would love to see numbers that support the idea that carbon dosing impacts PO4 early in the cycles as opposed to later in the cycle. I would also like to see the numbers of PO4 going down in established systems due to carbon dosing - I hear that it does it all the time, but I can't remember actually seeing evidence to support that claim. Thanks!
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I don't have peer reviewed data only 7 years of personal logs and observations . I can'; recall the initial PO4 level but could dust of some of the logs and find it. It was pretty high and algae was a persistent issue. Other folks have anecdotally reported similar responses in a number of threads including this one which may be of some interest if you are considering organic carbon dosing :
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...+carbon+dosing Some use gfo along side carbon dosing early in the process if fixated on extremely low PO4 and NO3 numbers which can lead to limiting deificiencies IMO. I don't think it's necessary and haven't used any in years. I dose 40 ml of 80 proof vodka and 80 ml of 5% acetic acid daily to the 650 gallon system which is packed with corals , a large fish population and is heavily fed. I surmise the heterotrophic bacteria and the acetobacters produce a relatively large biomass consuming significant amounts of orthophosphate relative to NO3 since they take ammonia preferentially for nitrogen in a one step process thus limiting typical ammonia oxidation and nitrification but not using much pre existing nitrate which can take a long time to fall. The vodka is dosed in two bolus doses 30ml in the am and another 10ml at night ; when I miss a night dose the PO4 on the next am reading will be higher than usual; i.e. around .06ppm vs the usual .02ppm . The .02ppm to .04 range as read from my tests seems about right for coral vibrancy and limited nuisace alge in my tanks. It may not be the best way to go for all and there are folks who have sucesss with corals who prefer other methods but organic carbon dosing has helped me keep a wide variety of corals in the sps dominant system for a long time and to manage PO4 levels. right off the bat.
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I have experience with carbon dosing. I did it at home for a couple years and do it at work regularly. Anecdotally, I find there are at least the same number of people that report no or little PO4 change as there are that do, which is why I am interested in more than anecdote.
What are you testing with to trust numbers as low as .02? As I said earlier, my I stopped at home because there was no difference in PO4 levels and I have no algae problems (except a few patches of bryopsis up high were it is hard to eat) and my system is heavily fed and is packed with corals and is sps dominant and the corals are vibrant. Part of the whole purpose of this thread was to question the general desire to dose something to lower PO4, because it may not be needed. With my PO4 level and my coral growth and color, I am not sure what benefits I get from trying to lower the level. Interesting stuff, thanks!
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