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Another sump question if I may ... What is the height differential between baffle 1 and baffle 3 in your sump ?? |
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Ok so I'm not sure if you've already finalized a design for the annexed fuge, but heres an idea. If your willing to spend the extra money, get a glass tank with an overflow. It will be much easier to muffle the drains that way, because you can put in formal standpipes (Dursos, preferably with strainers) and have the overflow comb as protection from sucking macros into the drain. Your best bet would be two drains, so you have some redundancy backing you up.
If you use the trough, you'll have to come up with something creative in terms of muffling the drain. |
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This is a great read. Very clean and well thought out work you do. Definitely an inspiration for a soon to be reef keeper like myself.
I have a random off the wall question for you. Did you ever work at a kinko's in Orlando, fl? I used to know a Brett who was a drummer and very detail oriented years ago. |
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You would definitly make a sweet wood stand coverev in white super duper stains and then cover the top with high tech Black polymer plastic of sorts! Anyway. why the extra tank and work, and maitnenece and plumbing, and clutter? What exactly do you hope to accomplish with this or what issue are you trying to resolve?
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It's always kinda inspiring and motivating to see how you handle these challenges. You make everything look very clean and professional looking....I can't wait to see how you handle this one!
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Moving forward on the fuge design... Let me know what you guys think. Cleaned up the corner where the stock tank will sit. And BAM!! I ended up going with a 70 gallon Rubbermaid Stock Tank. It fits the area really well, without being too big (the 100g was way too long), and should provide plenty of extra volume to house a lot of live rock. Pics don't give a lot of perspective, but this thing is large. So I'm thinking I can use an overflow box, like a Glass Holes kit, for the drain and run it through the wall behind the stock tank. From there, I can run the pipe down the unfinished wall and tap back into the fish room where it will terminate back to the sump. I think this will be the cleanest look and also avoid me having to plumb around the existing plumbing and electrical inside the fish room. Here's a pic of the wall behind the stock tank. I'll obviously need to harvest the cymbal stand farm at some point. And where the drain will come back into the fish room and terminate at the sump.
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Looks great and should come out really clean looking just like everything else. What are the plans for stock in the fuge?
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make sure you can drain more then you could ever pump in a glass holes type over flow would be fine but you could probably get by with just a upturned elbow or maybe two of them tee'ed together. I wouldn't even worry about a strainer. Also consider keeping a 1/4" per foot slope on the drain line all the way to the sump. Maybe run 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" drain so you can use the drain fittings to help the internal flow and air seperation.
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Other question is... Do overflows require a significant amount of "drop" for them to operate correctly? For instance on a reef-ready tank, the water flows over the teeth and drops down through the drain pipe a couple feet before it enters the sump. Would it be acceptable to come straight out the back of the stock tank, turn the corner, and drop 1/4" per foot until it terminates at the sump? More of a gentle slope, not the traditional vertical drop you get from a display to the sump. Let me know if that makes sense or not...
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as far as drain noise.....my frag tank only has a 3/4" drain. It is simply a hole in the overflow and it really makes very little noise. frag tank has about 150gph too. I really think the upturned elbow will sufice just fine especially with 2 1.25 or 1.5" drains. Unless your going to go with crazy flow. But you will probably only have like what 300-400gph flow thru it at most?
The noise and gurgling really comes into play when you have lots of flow thru a small pipe. My 150gph thru a 3/4" is pushing it, but 300-400gph thru 2 1.5" is nothing as there is way more area in those 1.5 than 3/4" I have.
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I think that might be the cleanest sump I have ever seen. Great attention to detail on everything
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I was trying to think of ways for you to route the overflow around all the power lines, but knowing that you have an empty wall on the back makes its so much easier. Basically, I think you're idea will work perfectly and beautifully.
Here is what I would do: I would just have two 1.5" drains with upturned elbows for surface skimming. I wouldn't worry about gurgling, the gurgle will only happen when you approach the water limit for that size drain, but 2x 1.5" drains should be able to handle more water then you would ever throw at a 'fuge. Second, I would have two bulkheads at the same height in the flat middle part of that sump directly against the wall. have 1.5" pipe run back through the wall and connect to a simple 90 degree angle piece. This 90 can be at such a level that you maintain your at least 1/4"/foot drop where you terminate in another 90 that puts the pipe back through the wall and dumps into your sump. Throw in some unions (probably on the part behind the stock tank but in the unfinished room) to help you remove the tank in the future and align your slight slope, secure the pipes to the studs, and you're good to go. Standpipes definitely do not need a vertical drop before crossing horizontal distance, the gradual slope will be plenty. For this tank (without a lot of flow), I dont think I would bother with a herbie as two upturned elbows should handle it just fine as long as you use 1.5" pipe all the way.
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Also, with such a big opening, if you wanted to try a DSB why not build a container with handles the same size as the footprint and however deep you want. That way if you ever feel the need to remove the sand bed just take out the rocks, lift the entire sand bed out, and put the rocks back in?
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Thanks Alex. I get your first point, but can you explain the "second" point a little further? I'm not understanding where the 3rd and 4th bulkheads you are recommending will be installed... and/or if your setup is similar post some pics as that might help too. Thanks! Ingenious Idea on the DSB btw. I'll look into it.
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My other thought is, how much protection from stray macro will upturned elbows provide versus a proper overflow box with teeth? If I end up keeping macros in there (not sure yet), I know some tend to float so I don't want them getting into the upturned elbows causing them to clog. Thoughts?
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I have an overflow on my fragtank. Its a coast to coast style. I wanted to be sure fish, and crabs and what not don't go down the drains. The upturned elbows can easy be fitted with intake screens if you are concerned about stray macro's or if you ever add fish or crabs into it so they don't go down the drains.
Plus with 2 1.5" drains you will be fine!!
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A pictures worth a thousand words. I love thinking of your setup, you have so much ROOM to play around with:
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