New Dwaft Angel

penske3939 · 01/01/2015, 06:11 AM

I have a 72 gallon reef tank with lots of different coral, fish, and invertebrates. I recently lost my flameback angel due to the apex controller dying overnight. I want to replace the dwarf angel, but I am not sure with which one. In visits to fish stores they indicated I could put two small dwarf angels in if I did it at the same time, but I think that is pushing it. I would like to put an one spot foxface and cardinalfish in at the same time. I would like to get some thoughts on what I should do considering my below current fish.

Thanks

Current fish - All adult size
Royal Gramma Basslet=1
Black Axil Chromis=3
Bluespotted Watchman Goby=1
Ocellaris Clownfish=2

Newsmyrna80 · 01/01/2015, 06:59 AM

How do you lose a fish to the Apex dying? How long did you have the angel before it died?

penske3939 · 01/01/2015, 08:41 AM

I have everything going through the Apex, so when it died everything just shut off. Everything was off overnight and luckly the only thing I lost was the angel.

I had the angel multiple years, it was adult size.

Daniel62 · 01/01/2015, 07:49 PM

Some angels, are coral nippers, so what type of corals do you have. My favorite are the potters. But they can be a little tricky at first. and they seem to do better in cooler tanks.

Next are flames, but these guys are hit and miss with corals. But a very colorful fish.

AirForceAquariu · 01/01/2015, 08:12 PM

You need to set the "fallback" option for the essential things in the tank to 'ON' so that if it fails they will turn on.

penske3939 · 01/01/2015, 08:33 PM

Below is most of the coral I have currently
Caulastrea Candy Cane
Seriatopora "Bird's Nest"
Branched Montipora
Cup Pagoda
Bright Green Tip Branching Frogspawn
Green, Red, and Purple Plate
Purple Tube
Starburst Polyp
Various Mushrooms

Daniel62 · 01/01/2015, 10:07 PM

Your lps might be a problem, but every fish is different. I say give any of the dwarf you like a try. My dwarfs have never bothered my sps or zoas. I1 didlike my frogspawn for a while but then let is alone.

Marshall O · 01/02/2015, 08:31 AM

My Flame Angel nips at all my SPS, but leaves all of my LPS and Zoas alone. I don't see any damage from the nipping besides loss of PE. The only coral it killed was my Sun Coral. Every time I tried to feed it, it would nip at its tentacles causing them to retract. Eventually, it stopped even trying and slowly died.

Silly clownfish · 01/02/2015, 08:30 PM

My cherub angel never bothered corals in the 7+ years I had it. I think they are cute little angels and I don't think you have any blue in your tamk.

Its funny how many people rely on an Apex to prevent disasters in their tanks. Having dealt with week-long power outages summer and winter, I know that no single piece of equipment failing in my tank could crash it in one day.

joekidwell · 01/02/2015, 08:53 PM

Just gave away my Flame Angel due to nipping, PE tripled in three days. He only picked at my SPS left the LPS alone..

penske3939 · 01/02/2015, 09:56 PM

Thanks for the comments. It sounds like the flame angel might be an issue. Cherub or a coral beauty might be the way to go.

As for the tank and the apex, I am planning on making changes when I get back from vacation. I had alot of failsafes, backup batteries, etc, but the only thing I didn't have a backup for was the apex going crazy. I knew it could happen and of course it happen on vacation, go figure.

dailydriven911 · 01/03/2015, 01:30 AM

I love cherub angels. It's also my favorite of the Pygmy Angels and they usually are model citizens although all come with risk of nipping.

suta4242 · 01/03/2015, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall O

The only coral it killed was my Sun Coral. Every time I tried to feed it, it would nip at its tentacles causing them to retract. Eventually, it stopped even trying and slowly died.

For the benefit of anyone reading who is new to keeping angels with corals...

Speaking from (unfortunate) experience, this is the worst thing you can do in front of an angel, since you're teaching it to associate the coral with food. So, when he's hungry he just returns to badger the coral, hoping it will have some food and the cycle continues.

Marshall O · 01/03/2015, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suta4242

For the benefit of anyone reading who is new to keeping angels with corals...

Speaking from (unfortunate) experience, this is the worst thing you can do in front of an angel, since you're teaching it to associate the coral with food. So, when he's hungry he just returns to badger the coral, hoping it will have some food and the cycle continues.

I learned quickly...I no longer feed any of my LPS. And my Flame Angel has never nipped at any other LPS.

edavis · 01/04/2015, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suta4242

For the benefit of anyone reading who is new to keeping angels with corals...

Speaking from (unfortunate) experience, this is the worst thing you can do in front of an angel, since you're teaching it to associate the coral with food. So, when he's hungry he just returns to badger the coral, hoping it will have some food and the cycle continues.

great advice

01/01/2015, 06:11 AM	#1
penske3939 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 19	New Dwaft Angel I have a 72 gallon reef tank with lots of different coral, fish, and invertebrates. I recently lost my flameback angel due to the apex controller dying overnight. I want to replace the dwarf angel, but I am not sure with which one. In visits to fish stores they indicated I could put two small dwarf angels in if I did it at the same time, but I think that is pushing it. I would like to put an one spot foxface and cardinalfish in at the same time. I would like to get some thoughts on what I should do considering my below current fish. Thanks Current fish - All adult size Royal Gramma Basslet=1 Black Axil Chromis=3 Bluespotted Watchman Goby=1 Ocellaris Clownfish=2 Last edited by penske3939; 01/01/2015 at 06:43 AM.

01/01/2015, 06:59 AM	#2
Newsmyrna80 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 2,312	How do you lose a fish to the Apex dying? How long did you have the angel before it died? __________________ 80 gal frag with 30 gal refugium, Orphek Atlantik LED, Red Sea RSK300 skimmer, predominately SPS and LPS Current Tank Info: 80 gallon reef tank with 30 gal refugium

01/01/2015, 07:49 PM	#4
Daniel62 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: kingman, AZ Posts: 1,483	Some angels, are coral nippers, so what type of corals do you have. My favorite are the potters. But they can be a little tricky at first. and they seem to do better in cooler tanks. Next are flames, but these guys are hit and miss with corals. But a very colorful fish. __________________ Mind over matter, if you don't mind it doesn't matter Current Tank Info: 225 reef, 125 clown & haddoni tank, Haddoni's Big Bad & Beautiful, I Love Them!

01/01/2015, 08:12 PM	#5
AirForceAquariu Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Boston (Newton) Posts: 358	You need to set the "fallback" option for the essential things in the tank to 'ON' so that if it fails they will turn on. __________________ Mike 70 gal w/ 15 gal sump. 1 flame wrasse, 2 a. occelaris, 1 Bangaii Cardinal, 1 midas blenny, assorted CUC, 1 brittle star. Current Tank Info: 70g 20g sump. 1 Flame Wrasse, 2 A. Occelaris, 1 Bangaii Cardinals, 1 Midas Blenny

01/01/2015, 10:07 PM	#7
Daniel62 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: kingman, AZ Posts: 1,483	Your lps might be a problem, but every fish is different. I say give any of the dwarf you like a try. My dwarfs have never bothered my sps or zoas. I1 didlike my frogspawn for a while but then let is alone. __________________ Mind over matter, if you don't mind it doesn't matter Current Tank Info: 225 reef, 125 clown & haddoni tank, Haddoni's Big Bad & Beautiful, I Love Them!

01/01/2015, 08:41 AM	#3
penske3939 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 19	I have everything going through the Apex, so when it died everything just shut off. Everything was off overnight and luckly the only thing I lost was the angel. I had the angel multiple years, it was adult size.

01/01/2015, 08:33 PM	#6
penske3939 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 19	Below is most of the coral I have currently Caulastrea Candy Cane Seriatopora "Bird's Nest" Branched Montipora Cup Pagoda Bright Green Tip Branching Frogspawn Green, Red, and Purple Plate Purple Tube Starburst Polyp Various Mushrooms

01/02/2015, 08:31 AM	#8
Marshall O Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Central MA Posts: 839	My Flame Angel nips at all my SPS, but leaves all of my LPS and Zoas alone. I don't see any damage from the nipping besides loss of PE. The only coral it killed was my Sun Coral. Every time I tried to feed it, it would nip at its tentacles causing them to retract. Eventually, it stopped even trying and slowly died.

01/02/2015, 08:30 PM	#9
Silly clownfish Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 488	My cherub angel never bothered corals in the 7+ years I had it. I think they are cute little angels and I don't think you have any blue in your tamk. Its funny how many people rely on an Apex to prevent disasters in their tanks. Having dealt with week-long power outages summer and winter, I know that no single piece of equipment failing in my tank could crash it in one day. __________________ 75g mixed reef, 20g sump, ocelaris clownfish (20+yrs old), flame hawk, one spot foxface rabbitfish, green mandarin, Bicolor Blenny, Coral Beauty;30g sumpless with Spotcinctus pair with RBTA Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef, 20g sump, ocelaris clownfish (20+yrs old), flame hawk, one spot foxface rabbitfish, green mandarin, Bicolor Blenny, Coral Beauty;30g sumpless with Spotcinctus pair

01/02/2015, 08:53 PM	#10
joekidwell Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Greeneville TN Posts: 471	Just gave away my Flame Angel due to nipping, PE tripled in three days. He only picked at my SPS left the LPS alone..

01/02/2015, 09:56 PM	#11
penske3939 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 19	Thanks for the comments. It sounds like the flame angel might be an issue. Cherub or a coral beauty might be the way to go. As for the tank and the apex, I am planning on making changes when I get back from vacation. I had alot of failsafes, backup batteries, etc, but the only thing I didn't have a backup for was the apex going crazy. I knew it could happen and of course it happen on vacation, go figure.

01/03/2015, 01:30 AM	#12
dailydriven911 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bonney Lake, WA Posts: 550	I love cherub angels. It's also my favorite of the Pygmy Angels and they usually are model citizens although all come with risk of nipping. __________________ Red Sea Reefer 170, Kessil A360N w/ controller, MP10wes, RKL, BM Curve 5, Aquamaxx Reactors