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Old 10/13/2018, 01:27 PM   #1
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Salt Mixes and whats advertised on box

Hello all. So having been in this hobby for going on a year now, Ive had the chance of using a good bit of salt. I cycled my tank with Instant Ocean, switched to Red Sea pro for 2 175g buckets which I got on sale way back, then switched IO reef crystals for cost reaaons for about two boxes so far.
After using the R. Crystals, I can't say that they are too cost effective because you dont get the 200 gallons they say you get. Why?
Because we or at least I dont keep my Salinity at 1.023! Kind of misleading in my opinion. I have to use almost a whole pound more of salt which really makes I dont know maybe 160g of inconsistent results saltwater?
I dont know the exact math but Im willing to try a different salt brand that doesnt hit as hard as red sea pro. I'm not a fan of high alk either so thats what turnes me off about red sea and elevated price. I dose kalk right now anyway. So Im not looking for steroid salt just something that keeps me around:
1.025 salt
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which is about my tank numbers. Reef crystal varies too much for me and they go by a B.S. 1.023 salinity which I just cant get over. OR is it possible to run a reef at 1.023? Any suggestions?


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Old 10/13/2018, 01:31 PM   #2
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Old 10/13/2018, 02:04 PM   #3
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I use IO or IORC pretty much all the time. Not that I haven't tried most of the others over the years. Cost and availability are a couple of the reasons.

FWIW - I use 1 x 50g bag + ~6 cups for my 55g mixing barrel. Doesn't really matter what brand, IME, they all mix up just a bit short of 1.026 if you follow the directions.


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Old 10/13/2018, 02:52 PM   #4
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It is absolutely possible to run 1.023 or even less with corals..


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Old 10/13/2018, 02:57 PM   #5
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I use IO or IORC pretty much all the time. Not that I haven't tried most of the others over the years. Cost and availability are a couple of the reasons.

FWIW - I use 1 x 50g bag + ~6 cups for my 55g mixing barrel. Doesn't really matter what brand, IME, they all mix up just a bit short of 1.026 if you follow the directions.
So its all basically a "individual results may vary" thing when it comes to salts is what Im seeing. Guess thats one reason why they say this is an expensive hobby.

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Old 10/13/2018, 02:59 PM   #6
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It is absolutely possible to run 1.023 or even less with corals..
Having said that, I guess the question is what kind of corals/reef tank I can run at that number?

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Having said that, I guess the question is what kind of corals/reef tank I can run at that number?

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Old 10/13/2018, 04:57 PM   #8
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Anything will be just fine with that..


I thought at certain low salinities the water will leach minerals from the corals.

Where as good higher salinity levels promote the coral to absorb nutrients.


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Old 10/13/2018, 05:34 PM   #9
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Anything will be just fine with that..
Makes sense. If you dont stray too far from natural sea levels Im guessing. I will have to look into that. I change like 60-70 gallons a month for now. So the less salt I use the better.

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Old 10/13/2018, 07:19 PM   #10
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I am currently running a QT at 1.019 and my LFS runs SW fish only at 1.019.
So running fish at 1.023, sure, and preferable, but too low for my taste for corals, those I run at 1.0255

I have tried a lot of brands over the years, found no real difference with exception to amounts of supplemental,dosing required.


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Old 10/13/2018, 07:50 PM   #11
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I am currently running a QT at 1.019 and my LFS runs SW fish only at 1.019.
So running fish at 1.023, sure, and preferable, but too low for my taste for corals, those I run at 1.0255

I have tried a lot of brands over the years, found no real difference with exception to amounts of supplemental,dosing required.
Yeah thats my whole point. I know fish only you can dip a bit low. (My lfs holds fish at 1.020. But frag tanks at 1.026.) But not so sure about a reef tank. And thats what bugs me about companies advertising 200 gallons at 1.023 salinity. Some say 1.023 is sufficient though. Im new in this hobby. So, I guess inaccurate salt mix numbers just comes with the territory. I will look into that tropic marine salt though.

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Old 10/13/2018, 08:08 PM   #12
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Yeah thats my whole point. I know fish only you can dip a bit low. (My lfs holds fish at 1.020. But frag tanks at 1.026.) But not so sure about a reef tank. And thats what bugs me about companies advertising 200 gallons at 1.023 salinity. Some say 1.023 is sufficient though. Im new in this hobby. So, I guess inaccurate salt mix numbers just comes with the territory. I will look into that tropic marine salt though.

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Uhhh yeah tropic marin is out. That stuff is like twice as much as red sea! Crazy.

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Uhhh yeah tropic marin is out. That stuff is like twice as much as red sea! Crazy.

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Sorry jumped the gun. Only one site had that crazy price.

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to answer the direct question, fish and to a lesser extent corals can tolerate unnaturally low salinities like 31 ppt (=1.023 sg). (meanwhile, the ocean is 35 basically everywhere except for estuaries and restricted basins like the Persian gulf).

Since there is little or no good reason to run a reef tank at such an unnaturally low salinity, I share your frustration and think it should be required to state on the packaging the volume normal, full-strength seawater that can be prepared from a batch of salt rather than inflating the yield with a non-standard salinity.

People may say "but wait, my tank runs that low"
1. a large fraction of people miscalibrate or don't calibrate their refractometers, or use inaccurate methods like a swing arm hydrometer. the salinity in your tank may not actually be what you think it is.
2. even if so, consider the effect on calcification ions! If you maintain normal seawater composition, at 31 ppt both the Ca and Alkalinity are lower than normal seawater.


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I buy my salt based on the dKH level I like to keep (7.8) and use Red sea blue bucket.

https://www.thatpetplace.com/salt-mix-guide


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to answer the direct question, fish and to a lesser extent corals can tolerate unnaturally low salinities like 31 ppt (=1.023 sg). (meanwhile, the ocean is 35 basically everywhere except for estuaries and restricted basins like the Persian gulf).

Since there is little or no good reason to run a reef tank at such an unnaturally low salinity, I share your frustration and think it should be required to state on the packaging the volume normal, full-strength seawater that can be prepared from a batch of salt rather than inflating the yield with a non-standard salinity.

People may say "but wait, my tank runs that low"
1. a large fraction of people miscalibrate or don't calibrate their refractometers, or use inaccurate methods like a swing arm hydrometer. the salinity in your tank may not actually be what you think it is.
2. even if so, consider the effect on calcification ions! If you maintain normal seawater composition, at 31 ppt both the Ca and Alkalinity are lower than normal seawater.
You really touched on exactly how I started to feel after going through a few boxes. I have to use about 20% more salt than what is instructed. Red Sea pro I admit I had to adjust way less than what i had to with IO Reef. But red sea pro over does it with alk imo.
Havnt tried the blue bucket RS though. To me running at 1.023 for a reef is a crash waiting to happen. Even with fish only systems. Given that oceans all over, besides areas common to brackish waters are naturally at 35ppt 1.026.

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