New Nitrate Removal Korallin Sulfur-Based BioDenitrator - Page 4

Brad A. · 08/07/2005, 01:39 PM

Any updates?

ReefAddict1 · 08/08/2005, 12:24 AM

No dramatic changes yet. It's about week 3 now. I took a reading tonight and it was the same as when I installed it -- around +/- 50 ppm nitrates, with 0 (unreadable) nitrates.

The air pocket is still forming every other day or so. I emailed Korallin directly, and they were very quick to respond (although in German-English :-), that I should raise the intake line a little higher from the sump to the display tank above. I'll have to figure out a good way of doing this that hides the tubing, but it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Another odd thing happened a few days ago when i came home to find the drip end of the tubing slighly clogged with a watery / slimy mixture of gunk that smelled like sulfur. I'm assuming it's from whatever is going on inside the reactor. It took a few seconds to clean the tube end before it started dripping as normal again. No biggy.

That's it for now. Anyone else have any developments?

kreef · 08/08/2005, 11:34 AM

ReefAddict1.
Dont worry it must be matured nearly now.

The best way to see how it is progressing is to test the effluent for nitrItes,it will go up to 100ppm then drop to zero,then the nitrates will come down to zero.

If you can sort out the airpocket it will work better,as every time you bleed it you let in oxygen.

kreef.

cmc5dc · 08/08/2005, 04:57 PM

Scuzy,

Any updates on your end.....very interested in this product.

scuzy · 08/08/2005, 04:58 PM

i haven't had a chance to test. I jsut found out all the color cards on my salifert test kits had gotten wet and no logner readable. Plus the manuals for each kit. I'll have to get a new testing kit.

ReefAddict1 · 08/08/2005, 05:28 PM

Oooops.... meant "0, unreadable NITRITES" per above....

Kreef -- Good point on measuring the effluent. I forgot that it recommended that in the instructions. I'll test it tonight.

cmc5dc · 08/12/2005, 05:29 PM

status?

scuzy · 08/12/2005, 06:06 PM

well did test my nitrite is 0 and nitrate is around 50ppm

i'll do another test this weekend.

fishman805 · 08/12/2005, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scuzy
well did test my nitrite is 0 and nitrate is around 50ppm

i'll do another test this weekend.

Just how long does it take for this pricey piece of gear to work..??

jerrymlr1 · 08/12/2005, 07:45 PM

I just bought the mid size. It should be "denitrating" in around 4 weeks.

scuzy · 08/12/2005, 07:45 PM

mines been running for 3 weeks

kreef · 08/12/2005, 09:14 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by scuzy
[B]well did test my nitrite is 0 and nitrate is around 50ppm

Are those readings from the effluent.as that is the way to test its progress.

kreef · 08/12/2005, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fishman805
Just how long does it take for this pricey piece of gear to work..??

The same time as a biological filter 3/4 weeks

fishman805 · 08/13/2005, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kreef
The same time as a biological filter 3/4 weeks

The reason I ask is because it seems that ReefAddict1 has been running this denitrator for a long time and his nitrate readings don't seem to have changed.... Why spend the money for something that does not seem to be working..???

downlimit · 08/13/2005, 10:46 AM

I would suggest you to try the natureef option, it allows for denitrification down to undetectable levels, and you can incorporate a phosphate option to it as well, sure they are expensive, and besides having to buy some additives now and again, it can literaly run for ever. my nitrates and phosphates are always at 0 ppm. I have been using these systems for over 10 years now, and havent experienced any downside from them.

cmc5dc · 08/13/2005, 10:49 AM

Speaking w/ Marine Depot whom sells the product, they test the product before they sell.

My tank is not completely cycled and it has been 6 wks + . I'm dealing w/ patience on a daily basis.

fishman805 · 08/13/2005, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by downlimit
I would suggest you to try the natureef option, it allows for denitrification down to undetectable levels, and you can incorporate a phosphate option to it as well, sure they are expensive, and besides having to buy some additives now and again, it can literaly run for ever. my nitrates and phosphates are always at 0 ppm. I have been using these systems for over 10 years now, and havent experienced any downside from them.

Can you elaberate..?? Is this a piece of equipment that you're talking about..?? If so, where can I see it/buy it..??

Don't get me wrong here, I'm all for reducing my nitrates and phosphates... I just want to be able to buy something that works...

Please direct me to this system you've been using for over 10 years.....

kreef · 08/13/2005, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fishman805
The reason I ask is because it seems that ReefAddict1 has been running this denitrator for a long time and his nitrate readings don't seem to have changed.... Why spend the money for something that does not seem to be working..???

It seems ReefAddict1 has a problem with an airpocket forming and has to bleed it every couple of days which will make it inaffective as it is not recirculating at a constant level,this is i believe is due to the intake positioned wrongly.

It does work very well,but like anything else it has to be set up properly, no offence ment.

SuperNerd · 08/13/2005, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by downlimit
I would suggest you to try the natureef option, it allows for denitrification down to undetectable levels, and you can incorporate a phosphate option to it as well, sure they are expensive, and besides having to buy some additives now and again, it can literaly run for ever. my nitrates and phosphates are always at 0 ppm. I have been using these systems for over 10 years now, and havent experienced any downside from them.

Got a link to the product?

cmc5dc · 08/13/2005, 12:05 PM

http://www.natureef.com/

ReefAddict1 · 08/13/2005, 01:12 PM

The MASLAC group vice president mentioned another technique involving dosing a simple reactor with vodka... seriously!

Anyone heard of this?

I'll be testing the efluent readings from the Korllin this weekend. I also moved the input to feed directly from the main tank higher above the reactor. The extra gravity push seems to help eliminate the air pocket.

Also, to address my reasoning for wanting to try this product versus others, was that it didn't require any bacteria 'feeding' or dosing of any kind. I also didn't think the price was totally unreasonable, since it can be easily converted into a good quality Korallin calcium reactor and re-purposed that way. So I don't think the long-term investment was too risky.

jeyes1 · 08/14/2005, 01:19 PM

anyone know where you can buy the sulfur pellets

Randy Holmes-Farley · 08/14/2005, 01:55 PM

The MASLAC group vice president mentioned another technique involving dosing a simple reactor with vodka... seriously! Anyone heard of this?

From the chemistry forum, here's a mega thread:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=288714

ReefAddict1 · 08/15/2005, 12:33 AM

Well, I'm happy to report that the nitrates are starting to come down significantly. I just took a reading with: effluent = 0, main water = 25ppm. That's at least 1/2 of what I measured a few weeks ago (which was basically 50 but still off the color chart)...

After about 5 weeks, it's good to see it kicking in. Although most of what I've read says it only takes about 3 weeks to show a measurable difference, I think the air pocket problem I've been having caused a bit of a lag.

I'll try testing next week to see where the nitrates are at.

cmc5dc · 08/15/2005, 01:08 AM

I noticed this item is on backorder at Marine depot. Glad to hear its finally working

08/14/2005, 01:55 PM	#98
Randy Holmes-Farley Reef Chemist Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Arlington, Massachusetts Posts: 86,233	The MASLAC group vice president mentioned another technique involving dosing a simple reactor with vodka... seriously! Anyone heard of this? From the chemistry forum, here's a mega thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=288714 __________________ Randy Holmes-Farley Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef

08/07/2005, 01:39 PM	#76
Brad A. Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Idaho Falls, ID Posts: 1,694	Any updates?

08/08/2005, 12:24 AM	#77
ReefAddict1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 130	No dramatic changes yet. It's about week 3 now. I took a reading tonight and it was the same as when I installed it -- around +/- 50 ppm nitrates, with 0 (unreadable) nitrates. The air pocket is still forming every other day or so. I emailed Korallin directly, and they were very quick to respond (although in German-English :-), that I should raise the intake line a little higher from the sump to the display tank above. I'll have to figure out a good way of doing this that hides the tubing, but it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Another odd thing happened a few days ago when i came home to find the drip end of the tubing slighly clogged with a watery / slimy mixture of gunk that smelled like sulfur. I'm assuming it's from whatever is going on inside the reactor. It took a few seconds to clean the tube end before it started dripping as normal again. No biggy. That's it for now. Anyone else have any developments?

08/08/2005, 11:34 AM	#78
kreef Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: u.k. Posts: 99	ReefAddict1. Dont worry it must be matured nearly now. The best way to see how it is progressing is to test the effluent for nitrItes,it will go up to 100ppm then drop to zero,then the nitrates will come down to zero. If you can sort out the airpocket it will work better,as every time you bleed it you let in oxygen. kreef.

08/08/2005, 04:57 PM	#79
cmc5dc Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Central California Posts: 351	Scuzy, Any updates on your end.....very interested in this product.

08/08/2005, 04:58 PM	#80
scuzy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 6,499	i haven't had a chance to test. I jsut found out all the color cards on my salifert test kits had gotten wet and no logner readable. Plus the manuals for each kit. I'll have to get a new testing kit.

08/08/2005, 05:28 PM	#81
ReefAddict1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 130	Oooops.... meant "0, unreadable NITRITES" per above.... Kreef -- Good point on measuring the effluent. I forgot that it recommended that in the instructions. I'll test it tonight.

08/12/2005, 05:29 PM	#82
cmc5dc Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Central California Posts: 351	status?

08/12/2005, 06:06 PM	#83
scuzy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 6,499	well did test my nitrite is 0 and nitrate is around 50ppm i'll do another test this weekend.

08/12/2005, 07:45 PM	#85
jerrymlr1 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 559	I just bought the mid size. It should be "denitrating" in around 4 weeks.

08/12/2005, 09:14 PM	#87
kreef Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: u.k. Posts: 99	[QUOTE]Originally posted by scuzy [B]well did test my nitrite is 0 and nitrate is around 50ppm Are those readings from the effluent.as that is the way to test its progress.

08/13/2005, 10:46 AM	#90
downlimit Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 162	I would suggest you to try the natureef option, it allows for denitrification down to undetectable levels, and you can incorporate a phosphate option to it as well, sure they are expensive, and besides having to buy some additives now and again, it can literaly run for ever. my nitrates and phosphates are always at 0 ppm. I have been using these systems for over 10 years now, and havent experienced any downside from them.

08/13/2005, 10:49 AM	#91
cmc5dc Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Central California Posts: 351	Speaking w/ Marine Depot whom sells the product, they test the product before they sell. My tank is not completely cycled and it has been 6 wks + . I'm dealing w/ patience on a daily basis.

08/13/2005, 12:05 PM	#95
cmc5dc Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Central California Posts: 351	http://www.natureef.com/

08/13/2005, 01:12 PM	#96
ReefAddict1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 130	The MASLAC group vice president mentioned another technique involving dosing a simple reactor with vodka... seriously! Anyone heard of this? I'll be testing the efluent readings from the Korllin this weekend. I also moved the input to feed directly from the main tank higher above the reactor. The extra gravity push seems to help eliminate the air pocket. Also, to address my reasoning for wanting to try this product versus others, was that it didn't require any bacteria 'feeding' or dosing of any kind. I also didn't think the price was totally unreasonable, since it can be easily converted into a good quality Korallin calcium reactor and re-purposed that way. So I don't think the long-term investment was too risky.

08/14/2005, 01:19 PM	#97
jeyes1 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: peoria,il Posts: 423	anyone know where you can buy the sulfur pellets

08/15/2005, 12:33 AM	#99
ReefAddict1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 130	Well, I'm happy to report that the nitrates are starting to come down significantly. I just took a reading with: effluent = 0, main water = 25ppm. That's at least 1/2 of what I measured a few weeks ago (which was basically 50 but still off the color chart)... After about 5 weeks, it's good to see it kicking in. Although most of what I've read says it only takes about 3 weeks to show a measurable difference, I think the air pocket problem I've been having caused a bit of a lag. I'll try testing next week to see where the nitrates are at.

08/15/2005, 01:08 AM	#100
cmc5dc Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Central California Posts: 351	I noticed this item is on backorder at Marine depot. Glad to hear its finally working