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[snorvich]

Originally Posted by themoraykeeper

Hey guys ^^ Im new here so would just like to say all you guys do a great job in helping people with these fishes!
Would be really great full if you could help me with this problem.
I have a 48inchx24inchx24inch Marine FOWLR aquarium, protein skimmer, good filtration ect.
Current stock is;
Zebra moray eel
Flame angel
Yellow tang
Humbug damsel
Jewel puffer
Inverts- Sand sifting starfish and a skunk cleaner shrimp
Now my question is that they have a gorgeous Regal angel (red sea - yellow bellied) down my LFS. Would I be able to add this into my tank?
Its only 3 inches now so is pretty young. Will the other fishes have any problems with the regal? Also what is good foods for the regal to eat?
Thank you for your time guys

I normally do not provide opinions on aggressive tanks. However, it is very likely the yellow tang will harass the regal angel excessively.

[C.Sharkdude]

I'm moving my Colombian sharks catfish and antennata lionfish into their own tank soon and would like to fill the gap. Which will leave a banded sleeper goby and tomini tang along with the snails and corals.

I would like to add the following:

Lamark's Angel
Dispar Anthias
3x Blue reef chromis
Black cap basslet



Fire shrimp
Skunk shrimp
2x Peppermint shrimp

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by C.Sharkdude

I'm moving my Colombian sharks catfish and antennata lionfish into their own tank soon and would like to fill the gap. Which will leave a banded sleeper goby and tomini tang along with the snails and corals.

I would like to add the following:

Lamark's Angel
Dispar Anthias
3x Blue reef chromis will likely winnow down until only one or two.
Black cap basslet

assuming the lionfish and catfish have moved, the stocking list should be fine

Fire shrimp
Skunk shrimp
2x Peppermint shrimp

[themoraykeeper]

Ah okay thank you very much! would you know if the tank size is ok for the regal though? And would it have any other issues with other inhabitants? I'm also planning to upgrade to a 6x2x2ft aquarium in about 3 years, so I assume this would be okay for the regal and the other inhabitants?
cheers

[Brando457]

Tank will be a 180g fowlr w/ 75g sump setup for a fuge, return, skimmer. Skimmer will be rated up to 300-400 gallons given the heavy bioload. There will be no corals and only a small CUC to eat any left over food/algae. CUC will be mostly hermits and some snails.

I plan on doing a 2-3" sandbed throughout and having an EHEIM 1262 as return w/ 2 Koralia PH (3000 gph) each on the opposite side wall. The tank is 72 x 24 x 24 w/ a single overflow on the left most wall.

This is my stocking list idea, open to recommendations/suggestions. I plan on doing the rockwork centered in the display to provide ample swimming from in the rear and front of the tank.

1. Sustainable Aquatics Black Ice Clown Pair (already have 2.5")
2. Flame Angel (already have 2")
3. Hippo Tang (already have 1.5")
4. Kole Yellow Eye Tang (already have 3")
5. Pink Spot Goby (already have 3")
6. Single Blue Chromis (had 3, down to 1 that is 2")
7. Black Cap Basslet (already have 3", might get rid of it)
8. 3? or 5? Lyretail Anthias, (prefer 5, but will do 3)
9. Midas Blenny or Tailspot Blenny (have tailspot, but he is MIA)
10. 2 x Pakistan Butterflyfish
11. Green Mandarin
12. Magnificent Foxface (not necessary, but would make a nice addition)
13. Emperor Angelfish - Juvenile (want to watch it change)
14. Queen Angelfish
15. Majestic Angelfish (not necessary, but do like)
16. White Cheek/Powder Blue Tang (very last fish)
17. Orange-Back Fairy Wrasse
18. Exquisite Fairy Wrasse
19. Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse
20. Scott's Fairy Wrasse
21. McCosker's Flasher Wrasse
22. Moorish Idol (probably not since they're difficult to keep fed)
24. Cleaner Shrimp (have)
25. Blood Shrimp (have)
26. Yellow tang (maybe?)

Thanks for looking, this is my first FOWLR tank so I am excited.

[themoraykeeper]

Hello! Im pretty new here but will give it a shot of answering on what you have given

1. Sustainable Aquatics Black Ice Clown Pair (already have 2.5")
2. Flame Angel (already have 2")
3. Hippo Tang (already have 1.5")
4. Kole Yellow Eye Tang (already have 3")
5. Pink Spot Goby (already have 3")
6. Single Blue Chromis (had 3, down to 1 that is 2")
7. Black Cap Basslet (already have 3", might get rid of it)
8. 3? or 5? Lyretail Anthias, (prefer 5, but will do 3)
9. Midas Blenny or Tailspot Blenny (have tailspot, but he is MIA)
10. 2 x Pakistan Butterflyfish
11. Green Mandarin
12. Magnificent Foxface (not necessary, but would make a nice addition)
13. Emperor Angelfish - Juvenile (want to watch it change)
14. Queen Angelfish
15. Majestic Angelfish (not necessary, but do like)
16. White Cheek/Powder Blue Tang (very last fish)
17. Orange-Back Fairy Wrasse
18. Exquisite Fairy Wrasse
19. Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse
20. Scott's Fairy Wrasse
21. McCosker's Flasher Wrasse
22. Moorish Idol (probably not since they're difficult to keep fed)
24. Cleaner Shrimp (have)
25. Blood Shrimp (have)
26. Yellow tang (maybe?)


Right first off, the emperor and the queen angels may have a few aggression issues with each other, I have read stories of them literately fighting to the death so might want to just get one. Think the majestic would get on with one of these two, maybe more so the emperor, as have heard the queen is most aggressive out of the two. Maybe the emperor and the majestic would work? but would ask one of the experts on that.

Also, I would pass on the Moorish idol, but if you do get one, would make sure its eating ect. and the other tank mates aren't aggressive.

The tangs you have listed seem ok, but I wouldn't put 4 in a 180, maybe not even 3 of them, as I have heard they can be really aggressive with each other in closed environments like this, maybe only 300+ galls would work. The yellow tang is a stunner, have one in my tang now, so would definitely recommend it though.

Also the mandarin needs to be introduced 6 months atleast after set up, but you probably know that

Think the rest of the other fish should be fine, but not sure if they would munch on the shrimp.

Anyway good luck with whatever you choose! I should be getting a 6x2x2ft tank soon, pretty excited about that too so I know how you feel!

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by themoraykeeper

Ah okay thank you very much! would you know if the tank size is ok for the regal though? And would it have any other issues with other inhabitants? I'm also planning to upgrade to a 6x2x2ft aquarium in about 3 years, so I assume this would be okay for the regal and the other inhabitants?
cheers

We recommend buying fish for the tank you have not the tank you hope to have. In an aggressive tank, there are lots of possible negative interactions (which is why I do not provide commentary).

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by themoraykeeper

Hello! Im pretty new here but will give it a shot of answering on what you have given

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[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Brando457

Tank will be a 180g fowlr w/ 75g sump setup for a fuge, return, skimmer. Skimmer will be rated up to 300-400 gallons given the heavy bioload. There will be no corals and only a small CUC to eat any left over food/algae. CUC will be mostly hermits and some snails.

I plan on doing a 2-3" sandbed throughout and having an EHEIM 1262 as return w/ 2 Koralia PH (3000 gph) each on the opposite side wall. The tank is 72 x 24 x 24 w/ a single overflow on the left most wall.

This is my stocking list idea, open to recommendations/suggestions. I plan on doing the rockwork centered in the display to provide ample swimming from in the rear and front of the tank.

Be sure you have a quarantine protocol

1. Sustainable Aquatics Black Ice Clown Pair (already have 2.5")
2. Flame Angel (already have 2")
3. Hippo Tang (already have 1.5") This fish really needs a larger (longer) tank
4. Kole Yellow Eye Tang (already have 3")
5. Pink Spot Goby (already have 3")
6. Single Blue Chromis (had 3, down to 1 that is 2")
7. Black Cap Basslet (already have 3", might get rid of it)
8. 3? or 5? Lyretail Anthias, (prefer 5, but will do 3) you can do 5, but you might consider carberryi or resplendents
9. Midas Blenny or Tailspot Blenny (have tailspot, but he is MIA)
10. 2 x Pakistan Butterflyfish
11. Green Mandarin make sure this is added after about 7-8 months
12. Magnificent Foxface (not necessary, but would make a nice addition)
13. Emperor Angelfish - Juvenile (want to watch it change)
14. Queen Angelfish
15. Majestic Angelfish (not necessary, but do like) In this sized tank, probably not more than one large angelfish
16. White Cheek/Powder Blue Tang (very last fish)
17. Orange-Back Fairy Wrasse
18. Exquisite Fairy Wrasse
19. Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse
20. Scott's Fairy Wrasse very aggressive, avoid
21. McCosker's Flasher Wrasse
22. Moorish Idol (probably not since they're difficult to keep fed)
they can be fed, but if you are serious read the moorish idol thread in Reef Fish
24. Cleaner Shrimp (have)
25. Blood Shrimp (have)
26. Yellow tang (maybe?) In this sized tank, I would be careful as this fish, once established, can be very aggressive

Thanks for looking, this is my first FOWLR tank so I am excited.

[Brando457]

Thank you for the reply, if I take out the majestic will I have any issue doing the emperor and queen? and any issues w/ doing the power blue or white cheek?

I definitely appreciate the help as I want lots of movement and coloration, but also peaceful w/out much fighting if at all.

Should have mentioned as far as QT procedure I have a 20g L setup w/ a hob filter rated for 30 gallons w/ a koralia 450 gph powerhead in it also. I typically observe the fish for 2 weeks and then if needed do treatment w/ cuprimine. So far all of my fish have been treated this way and no issues with the ones I already have.

With the new tank I plan on getting 1/2 fish from the list a month and quarantining them. Realistically I will wait for my tank to finish cycling, move over all my existing livestock and let them be for a bit to ensure the system is 100% before splurging on additional fish.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Brando457

Thank you for the reply, if I take out the majestic will I have any issue doing the emperor and queen? and any issues w/ doing the power blue or white cheek?

Of the three large angels, the majestic is the most passive with the Imperator and Queen both having dominance issues. In a 180 gallon tank, I recommend only one. My personal preference would be the Imperator, but the queen is a gorgeous fish as well. As far as tangs are concerned, I would be unable to predict for sure the interaction with the powder blue and white cheek but I would guess that adding the powder blue after or concurrently would be preferable.

I definitely appreciate the help as I want lots of movement and coloration, but also peaceful w/out much fighting if at all.

Yeah, fighting takes away the tranquility of the tank

Should have mentioned as far as QT procedure I have a 20g L setup w/ a hob filter rated for 30 gallons w/ a koralia 450 gph powerhead in it also. I typically observe the fish for 2 weeks and then if needed do treatment w/ cuprimine. So far all of my fish have been treated this way and no issues with the ones I already have.

Although not the subject for this thread, you should observe for four weeks in QT. I have a protocol in my blog for fish introduction; you may find value in reading it.

With the new tank I plan on getting 1/2 fish from the list a month and quarantining them. Realistically I will wait for my tank to finish cycling, move over all my existing livestock and let them be for a bit to ensure the system is 100% before splurging on additional fish.

[dee99gt]

20 gallon long, 40lbs live rock, 2-3in sand bed, eshopps hob skimmer for 75 gallons, hob fluval hob filter, AquaticLife T5 HI 2x24... I would like to have a pair of clowns, but not sure if I can have anything else? Debating on doing an overflow with a 10 gallon sump...

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by dee99gt

20 gallon long, 40lbs live rock, 2-3in sand bed, eshopps hob skimmer for 75 gallons, hob fluval hob filter, AquaticLife T5 HI 2x24... I would like to have a pair of clowns, but not sure if I can have anything else? Debating on doing an overflow with a 10 gallon sump...

A pair of the smaller species clowns would be marginal in a 20 gallon tank, so additional fishes would be undesirable.

[Brando457]

Just wanted to thank you again, i read your blog and it was very insightful.

I'm going to ditch the majestic and queen and go with just an emperor

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[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Brando457

Just wanted to thank you again, i read your blog and it was very insightful.

I'm going to ditch the majestic and queen and go with just an emperor

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You will be pleased. I raised one from a small juvenile and am very happy with his personality. Find some spirulina pellets to enhance coloration. I feed them one of two daily feedings.

[rickynichols]

Hello,
FOWLR tank
72x24x29 inch glass tank with dual built in overflows
55gal refugium with basketball size Chaeto
Reef Octopus INT2000
GFO/Carbon Dual Reactor
40 watt Emporer Aquatics UV Sterlizer w/ mag 2 pump
RO/DI unit
100lbs live rock


Eibli Angel (already in tank 2")
Coral Beauty Angel
Flame Angel (will be added last of the dwarf angels)
Lyretail Hogfish
Red Coris Wrasse
Powder Blue Tang
Blue Girdled (Majestic) Angel
Harlequin Tusk
Niger Trigger
Midnight Arothron -or- Porcupine Puffer (worried about de-finning my annularis)
Blueline or Annularis Angel
Humu Trigger
Antennata Lionfish
Flame -or- Blood Red Hawkfish
Pearlscale Butterfly (already in tank 3")
Fantail Orange Filefish
Tiger Watchman Goby

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by rickynichols

Hello,
FOWLR tank
72x24x29 inch glass tank with dual built in overflows
55gal refugium with basketball size Chaeto
Reef Octopus INT2000
GFO/Carbon Dual Reactor
40 watt Emporer Aquatics UV Sterlizer w/ mag 2 pump
RO/DI unit
100lbs live rock


Eibli Angel (already in tank 2")
Coral Beauty Angel
Flame Angel (will be added last of the dwarf angels)
Lyretail Hogfish
Red Coris Wrasse
Powder Blue Tang
Blue Girdled (Majestic) Angel
Harlequin Tusk
Niger Trigger
Midnight Arothron -or- Porcupine Puffer (worried about de-finning my annularis)
Blueline or Annularis Angel
Humu Trigger
Antennata Lionfish
Flame -or- Blood Red Hawkfish
Pearlscale Butterfly (already in tank 3")
Fantail Orange Filefish
Tiger Watchman Goby

Sorry, but I do not provide feedback on aggressive fish tanks. However we have an aggressive fish forum which can be found here.

[rickynichols]

The link didnt work but I found it. Thanks for your time.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by rickynichols

The link didnt work but I found it. Thanks for your time.

Sorry, must have screwed up the link. I fixed it in case others read the post.

[staindsoul]

I have 37 gallon w/20 gallon sump/35lbs live rock/octopus 110 skimmer

Already in tank:
1-Onyx Percula
1-Peppermint Shrimp
~30 snails
~5 red leg hermits

I want to add:

1-Goby (dracula, if i get the nerve to pay for it. or orange stripe)
1-Tiger snapping shrimp

I really want to see the symbiotic relationship.

If I can add that, is there any room left for another fish? if so suggestions?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by staindsoul

I have 37 gallon w/20 gallon sump/35lbs live rock/octopus 110 skimmer

Already in tank:
1-Onyx Percula
1-Peppermint Shrimp
~30 snails
~5 red leg hermits

I want to add:

1-Goby (dracula, if i get the nerve to pay for it. or orange stripe)
1-Tiger snapping shrimp consider two of them

I really want to see the symbiotic relationship.

Yes, that relationship is fascinating. Do a search on dracula gobies, I seem to recall there is a longevity issue with them. You have plenty of bioload capacity for 2-3 additional small fish. Be sure to check back about behavioral compatibility.

If I can add that, is there any room left for another fish? if so suggestions?

[rogermccray]

I have a 125 gallon tank with a 55 gallon sump and I was thinking of plumbing a 40 gallon tank into the system so I could add a few fish that are not coral friendly. My current tank has the following live stock:

This tank does have a lid on it and a canopy, would a ten inch canopy be enough to not need a lid? I would keep the overflows covered so the fish could not jump in them if I removed the lid.

Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma flavescens)
Powder Brown Tang (Acanthurus japonicus)
Occelaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
Diamond Goby (Valenciennea puellaris)
Blue/Green Chromis (Chromis viridis)
Purple Firefish (Nemateleotris decora)

Would like to add these to the 125
Black Cap Basslet (Gramma melacara)
Mccoskers Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus mccoskeri)
Red Mandarin (Synchiropus cf. splendidus)

Is there room for more fish here?


Would like to put these in the 40 gallon
Lemonpeel Angel (Centropyge flavissima)
Flame Angel (Centropyge loriculus)
Royal Gramma (Gramma loreto)
Orange Stripe Prawn Goby (Amblyeleotris randalli)
Clown Goby, Yellow (Gobiodon okinawae)

Should I add both angel fish last and at the same time?

Is there room for more fish in this tank?

Thanks again for your help

[wbradenpt]

Originally Posted by snorvich

Well, I pretty much like what you are planning. I would avoid hermit crabs and have a variety of snails and perhaps one fighting conch. Lots of opportunity for interesting invertebrates. I would go with a skimmer addition, and depending on your room temperature, might avoid a heater.

i always wonder about the hermit crabs. is there a particular reason why you are recommending to avoid them?

[wbradenpt]

i have long suspected that they are murdering my snails.

[venkap01]

Hey there!
I've just taken the plunge to saltwater! I have 55 gallon tank with a 30 gallon sump, FOWLR, bare bottom, not yet cycled. After the cycling is complete I plan on adding the following fish (which after hours and hours of reading the threads I've finally made my decision)

1) Pair of Clownfish (percs)
2) 1 Tank raised Banggai Cardinal
3) 1 Firefish
4) 1 Court Jester Goby

I was wondering what order to put these fish in the tank. I know the most territorial goes in last.. They will be quarantined first for about 3-4 weeks. Also if you guy have better stocking suggestions, I'm happy to hear them.