JBJ 28 Gallon Nano Owners Club - Page 4

balloonpilot · 08/03/2009, 10:47 AM

Not to change the current discussion.... But I made a discovery about "flow" over the weekend .

I've replaced the stock main pumps with MaxiJet 1200's. I've also got a Koralia 1 shooting across the rear of the tank and two Koralia Nano's one on each side (left right). I leave all three Koralias on full time and thought I had "great" flow.

Ive been having issues with an acropora that I thought was dead; never see any polyp extension, kinda white at the bottom, etc. So I moved this coral up higher thinking it was a light issue - no change. Then while doing other stuff I managed to pump one of the Korali Nanos so that it was facing almost right on the acro... OMG - Poylps came out from every where!

So now I've moved both Koralia Nanos so that they point towards the back section of my tank. This back section is higher up and has a shelf formed by the rocks... So this is now my high light and high current/flow area. WOW what a difference.

So... When folks talk about needing high-flow - What is really meant? If I was using a bigger K1 or larger, perhaps this would be too much flow and I would need to have it not facing right on the coral. But the Nanos do not put out as much and therefore seem to require 'direct' application to be considered 'high flow.

Now Im considering getting two more Nanos' for the front of the tank as Im thinking that given the size of our tanks and the output from the Koralia Nano that indirect flow from them = low to moderate and direct flow (4-6" away) is high flow and maybe all my corals will be doing better?

Anyone else experiemnted ?

mr9iron · 08/03/2009, 10:51 AM

ballonpilot, interesting observations. Can you post some video and pictures of your tank in action?

balloonpilot · 08/03/2009, 10:53 AM

Id love to...

But I cant figure out how to post stills or videos!

guinness0514 · 08/03/2009, 11:47 AM

Thanks ballonpilot!

That is very useful info! I don't have the saphire skimmer, I have the aquaC remora nano. It is a backpack skimmer that I have hanging off in the center. The pump is in the center chamber, so I wonder if this fuge will fit of the back still as you describe? Anyone have experience working with these two products?

poidog81 · 08/03/2009, 12:27 PM

two questions for y'all
1. does anyone know the PAR for the stock JBJ bulb?
2. has anyone switched to the radium 20k bulb? This is the one I was looking to switch too cause of more blue and high PAR. If you are using a 20k, why the bulb you picked?
Thanks!

balloonpilot · 08/03/2009, 12:35 PM

Im running the 20K bulbs, names starts with a G and I got them from Nano Tuners but it looks like they dont have them listed on their site anymore...

poidog81 · 08/03/2009, 12:38 PM

giesemann?
those come in a 22k I think. How is the brightness and the PAR on those? They are a little more than the Radium (best price I found is $75)

balloonpilot · 08/03/2009, 12:45 PM

Yeah thats them...

Not sure on the PAR ratings, but they are certainly brighter than the stock bulb I took out and I love the coloring. I'm also running the Compact Florecent upgrade from Nano tuners

poidog81 · 08/03/2009, 12:48 PM

I've got the CF upgrade from nanotuners too. I love having the option of running antinics. I have them on while I have the JBJ bulb running too now. But I think with a 20k it may be over kill and just use them for sun rise/set simulation.

balloonpilot · 08/03/2009, 12:51 PM

I leave the CF's on while the MH is on. The CF comes on about 1.5 hrs prior and stay on 1hr after MH. Then the LEDs are on for night time.

poidog81 · 08/03/2009, 12:52 PM

same. but only 1 hour before/after.

guinness0514 · 08/03/2009, 01:21 PM

I have the 20k radium on my with the antinics...and love it!

poidog81 · 08/03/2009, 01:24 PM

did you have to re-acclimate your tank to the new bulb? I heard some people having problems with sps bleaching when switching to the radium. Of did you just throw it in and ran your regular photo period?

balloonpilot · 08/03/2009, 01:29 PM

Hum... never thought of re-acclimating, I just went for it. Guess I got lucky this time

guinness0514 · 08/03/2009, 01:50 PM

yeah you can't use me as an example, because I didn't have any SPS in the tank. I did have the factory bulbs in for way too long. I used them for 1.5 years before switching to the 20k radiums. I have a few soft corals/zoas/palys that showed no issue with the switch...

balloonpilot · 08/03/2009, 01:51 PM

My stock bulbs were about 3 months old

sl-atl · 08/04/2009, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by poidog81
did you have to re-acclimate your tank to the new bulb? I heard some people having problems with sps bleaching when switching to the radium. Of did you just throw it in and ran your regular photo period?

I think it's a good idea to acclimate. It cannot hurt...

SlvrSurfRidr · 08/04/2009, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sl-atl
I think it's a good idea to acclimate. It cannot hurt...

+1 -- when in doubt, ALWAYS acclimate

drd · 08/04/2009, 04:02 PM

I am using 14,500 k guisemann and I am loving the results now to get the phospates down and i will be all set to go

JonP · 08/05/2009, 06:34 PM

Ballonpilot, to post pictures either go to www.imageshack.us or start an account at www.photobucket.com. Upload the image and then copy the tag that starts and ends with [img.] and [/img.] (without the period) and then paste into a new post on here.

sahin · 08/06/2009, 03:18 AM

Would love to see some pics. So upload them.

SlvrSurfRidr · 08/11/2009, 10:24 AM

My PH finally broke 9.0 so I'm starting into a vinegar dosing program. More details here if you are in the same boat:
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-03/rhf/index.php#3

breeze · 08/11/2009, 12:15 PM

What is your secret? I can't get mine above 8.1 unless I'm out of town. Then it gets to 8.35

SlvrSurfRidr · 08/11/2009, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by breeze
What is your secret? I can't get mine above 8.1 unless I'm out of town. Then it gets to 8.35

Got me man (haha). I'm dosing Bionic 2 part - my CA is around 450 but the ALK is really high (so I really don't dose that part of the 2 part ). I dose MG once a week, but it's always measuring lower than it should be. By dosing some Vinegar I'm getting my PH back in the 8.5-8.8 range

bigmatt1992 · 08/11/2009, 09:56 PM

hey everyone im new to the thread im the proud new owner of a jbj 28 with k2 150 watt. viper light. with starphire skimmer. ill post pics of the new tank soon.

08/03/2009, 10:47 AM	#76
balloonpilot Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 384	Not to change the current discussion.... But I made a discovery about "flow" over the weekend . I've replaced the stock main pumps with MaxiJet 1200's. I've also got a Koralia 1 shooting across the rear of the tank and two Koralia Nano's one on each side (left right). I leave all three Koralias on full time and thought I had "great" flow. Ive been having issues with an acropora that I thought was dead; never see any polyp extension, kinda white at the bottom, etc. So I moved this coral up higher thinking it was a light issue - no change. Then while doing other stuff I managed to pump one of the Korali Nanos so that it was facing almost right on the acro... OMG - Poylps came out from every where! So now I've moved both Koralia Nanos so that they point towards the back section of my tank. This back section is higher up and has a shelf formed by the rocks... So this is now my high light and high current/flow area. WOW what a difference. So... When folks talk about needing high-flow - What is really meant? If I was using a bigger K1 or larger, perhaps this would be too much flow and I would need to have it not facing right on the coral. But the Nanos do not put out as much and therefore seem to require 'direct' application to be considered 'high flow. Now Im considering getting two more Nanos' for the front of the tank as Im thinking that given the size of our tanks and the output from the Koralia Nano that indirect flow from them = low to moderate and direct flow (4-6" away) is high flow and maybe all my corals will be doing better? Anyone else experiemnted ? __________________ DeepSea Aquatics 180 Extreme Bowfront, 40 gallon sump, 90 gallon refug, 2 Maxspect Gyre 150s, 4 MP40's, 3 Mitrax 6200 All controlled by Profilux with the expansion box and three 4-port dosing pumps

08/03/2009, 10:51 AM	#77
mr9iron 15& Over Club Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,552 Blog Entries: 1	ballonpilot, interesting observations. Can you post some video and pictures of your tank in action? __________________ Vince ______________________________ Current Tank Info: Frag tank at the moment, planning another

08/03/2009, 10:53 AM	#78
balloonpilot Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 384	Id love to... But I cant figure out how to post stills or videos! __________________ DeepSea Aquatics 180 Extreme Bowfront, 40 gallon sump, 90 gallon refug, 2 Maxspect Gyre 150s, 4 MP40's, 3 Mitrax 6200 All controlled by Profilux with the expansion box and three 4-port dosing pumps

08/03/2009, 12:35 PM	#81
balloonpilot Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 384	Im running the 20K bulbs, names starts with a G and I got them from Nano Tuners but it looks like they dont have them listed on their site anymore... __________________ DeepSea Aquatics 180 Extreme Bowfront, 40 gallon sump, 90 gallon refug, 2 Maxspect Gyre 150s, 4 MP40's, 3 Mitrax 6200 All controlled by Profilux with the expansion box and three 4-port dosing pumps

08/03/2009, 12:45 PM	#83
balloonpilot Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 384	Yeah thats them... Not sure on the PAR ratings, but they are certainly brighter than the stock bulb I took out and I love the coloring. I'm also running the Compact Florecent upgrade from Nano tuners __________________ DeepSea Aquatics 180 Extreme Bowfront, 40 gallon sump, 90 gallon refug, 2 Maxspect Gyre 150s, 4 MP40's, 3 Mitrax 6200 All controlled by Profilux with the expansion box and three 4-port dosing pumps

08/03/2009, 11:47 AM	#79
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	Thanks ballonpilot! That is very useful info! I don't have the saphire skimmer, I have the aquaC remora nano. It is a backpack skimmer that I have hanging off in the center. The pump is in the center chamber, so I wonder if this fuge will fit of the back still as you describe? Anyone have experience working with these two products?

08/03/2009, 12:27 PM	#80
poidog81 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 2,160	two questions for y'all 1. does anyone know the PAR for the stock JBJ bulb? 2. has anyone switched to the radium 20k bulb? This is the one I was looking to switch too cause of more blue and high PAR. If you are using a 20k, why the bulb you picked? Thanks!

08/03/2009, 12:38 PM	#82
poidog81 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 2,160	giesemann? those come in a 22k I think. How is the brightness and the PAR on those? They are a little more than the Radium (best price I found is $75)

08/03/2009, 12:48 PM	#84
poidog81 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 2,160	I've got the CF upgrade from nanotuners too. I love having the option of running antinics. I have them on while I have the JBJ bulb running too now. But I think with a 20k it may be over kill and just use them for sun rise/set simulation.

08/03/2009, 12:51 PM	#85
balloonpilot Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 384	I leave the CF's on while the MH is on. The CF comes on about 1.5 hrs prior and stay on 1hr after MH. Then the LEDs are on for night time. __________________ DeepSea Aquatics 180 Extreme Bowfront, 40 gallon sump, 90 gallon refug, 2 Maxspect Gyre 150s, 4 MP40's, 3 Mitrax 6200 All controlled by Profilux with the expansion box and three 4-port dosing pumps

08/03/2009, 12:52 PM	#86
poidog81 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 2,160	same. but only 1 hour before/after.

08/03/2009, 01:21 PM	#87
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	I have the 20k radium on my with the antinics...and love it!

08/03/2009, 01:24 PM	#88
poidog81 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 2,160	did you have to re-acclimate your tank to the new bulb? I heard some people having problems with sps bleaching when switching to the radium. Of did you just throw it in and ran your regular photo period?

08/03/2009, 01:29 PM	#89
balloonpilot Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 384	Hum... never thought of re-acclimating, I just went for it. Guess I got lucky this time __________________ DeepSea Aquatics 180 Extreme Bowfront, 40 gallon sump, 90 gallon refug, 2 Maxspect Gyre 150s, 4 MP40's, 3 Mitrax 6200 All controlled by Profilux with the expansion box and three 4-port dosing pumps

08/03/2009, 01:50 PM	#90
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	yeah you can't use me as an example, because I didn't have any SPS in the tank. I did have the factory bulbs in for way too long. I used them for 1.5 years before switching to the 20k radiums. I have a few soft corals/zoas/palys that showed no issue with the switch...

08/03/2009, 01:51 PM	#91
balloonpilot Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 384	My stock bulbs were about 3 months old __________________ DeepSea Aquatics 180 Extreme Bowfront, 40 gallon sump, 90 gallon refug, 2 Maxspect Gyre 150s, 4 MP40's, 3 Mitrax 6200 All controlled by Profilux with the expansion box and three 4-port dosing pumps

08/04/2009, 04:02 PM	#94
drd Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: los angeles Posts: 511	I am using 14,500 k guisemann and I am loving the results now to get the phospates down and i will be all set to go

08/05/2009, 06:34 PM	#95
JonP Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Land O Lakes, FL Posts: 295	Ballonpilot, to post pictures either go to www.imageshack.us or start an account at www.photobucket.com. Upload the image and then copy the tag that starts and ends with [img.] and [/img.] (without the period) and then paste into a new post on here.

08/06/2009, 03:18 AM	#96
sahin Ultimate Reefer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,540	Would love to see some pics. So upload them.

08/11/2009, 10:24 AM	#97
SlvrSurfRidr aka: coraltopia Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 984	My PH finally broke 9.0 so I'm starting into a vinegar dosing program. More details here if you are in the same boat: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-03/rhf/index.php#3 __________________ JBJ 28g HQI + Nanocustoms 2.18 Actinic Factory Retro AquaMaxx HOB-I Protein Skimmer + 2LF Phosban 150 1/15 JBJ Arctica Titanium Chiller + Neptune Systems APEX lite

08/11/2009, 12:15 PM	#98
breeze Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lighthouse Point, Fl Posts: 291	What is your secret? I can't get mine above 8.1 unless I'm out of town. Then it gets to 8.35

08/11/2009, 09:56 PM	#100
bigmatt1992 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: north side (inner city) pittsburgh pa Posts: 1,218	hey everyone im new to the thread im the proud new owner of a jbj 28 with k2 150 watt. viper light. with starphire skimmer. ill post pics of the new tank soon. __________________ WELCOME HOME JJ. AND COME HOME SAFE GEORGE.. U.S MARINE CORP. LETS GET EM BOYS. ‘ooh-rah’ The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle. Current Tank Info: 75 gallon ,20 gallon long sump/fuge,marineland skimmer rated 125 gallons,TEK 8 bulb 48", sps,lps,softie,zoa