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01/19/2016, 10:31 AM | #2726 |
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Where do you get Ultra-bio?
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Biodiversity with respect to dinos means microscopic flora and fauna, pods, sand bed organisms, etc and supplying enough food to sustain them. "No magic bullet, use a multi-pronged approach" could be the theme song of this thread, unfortunately. hth ivy
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Is FM Ultra bio the same as Ultra Lith? Sorry for being dumb about this product
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01/19/2016, 11:37 AM | #2730 | |
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What you are looking to avoid is removing a dominant organism and leaving a vacuum which other unwanted organisms (or the same ones) can exploit again... |
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the tank acting as a scrubber of sorts hold some merit. When my Dino problem was bad, I took out all corals and the dinos got out of control. The tank that the corals were placed in initially had a dino problem, but that eventually sorted itself out.
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Sure, they'll get killed too if they go in, but dinos have the unique behavior of free floating in the dark. This makes them especially vulnerable to UV with a protracted lights out phase. But as the dinos die, they need to be exported out - wet skimming. They also leave a hole in the ecosystem that must be filled by other organisms. I don't think bacteria is the answer. I added phyto myself. But bacteria may be part of the answer too. I also added pods, live rock, live sand (yes-really), new chaeto, and fed... Once the dinos were being killed, I wanted to give every other competing organism a chance to fill the void in the food chain! I threw the kitchen sink of life at them wanting to introduce any element that could outcompete them. I even bought the most invasive photosynthetic corals I could- rhodactis on two massive pieces of live rock covered in worms and sponges. Yes- I introduced aggressive corals in the middle of the Dino fight. Something won out in the end- but I can't say what it was. I just know that my chaeto started performing again and I began exporting. I even added an ATS and the algae fills up like a machine now and I feed heavily but export very hard too.
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besides, prolonged blackouts may or may not be any different from shorter ones as the dinos are likely to return considering they can form cysts for months and survive in complete darkness...blackouts aren't the answer, they're just used to weaken the dino population in perparation for the real attack |
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I agree that the nitrogen cycle bacteria live mostly on rock surfaces, so UV is safe in that regard.
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Guys I'm pretty bummed. I'm doing the dirty method and it seems like it's getting a lot worse. No red slime or anything. Any ideas on what I shold do?
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How long have you been trying this approach? Are any corals or other animals having trouble?
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Dinoflagellates
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I don't have dinoflagellates. I posted a cure for dinoflagellates which took me a hour to compose and which does work based upon the writing of Randy Holmes Farley. If anyone seriously wants help with this problem, then send me a message and I will tell you what to do. I am going to tell you it is a lot of hard work and it is not what I posted. Last year I had a client's tank crash because they turned off the heat in the entire building and the room went down to 40 degrees. Needless to say almost everything died. All the rock became covered with dinoflagellates. I took all of the rock home and put them into a 90 gallon tank, no fish, no coral, good flow, new, clean water, LED light and watched the dinoflagellates thrive for months. I kept turning the lights on for a few weeks and off for a few weeks. Got nowhere. Finally I left the lights off for several months. Finally after 1 year it appears that the dinoflagellates are finally gone. Is anybody really scared now. Because this little experiment really blows my mind. This is how insidious dinoflagellates can be. |
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I feed 4 time a day pellets (fat thumb pinch) or 1 cube of mysis and 1 cube cyclops with dirty water and all. Dinos are even covering spots that had green hair algae growing and growing their own brown hair. |
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Feed phyto 2wice a day pellets 2wice a day bout 2 big pinches Mysid cube and cyclop cube Also added a 2 bags of algagen tisbe chaeto full of pods..also dosing mb7 and biopronto bacteria..seems like the dinos blew up! |
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Well, I probably would find some other approach at this point, but this method might work given more time.
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So what is "the real attack"? Have I missed something? The idea of the approach I successfully used was to create such a hostile environment to dinoflagellates using multiple factors that the dinos die off and are exported without adding to the problem. If you simply knock them back a bit, you risk having a gap created in the ecosystem and significant numbers of dinoflagellates that can multiply to fill it. I'm not sure you intended to, but your post suggests that the dinos came back as you stated it's worked for you "every single time?" Same tank or different tanks? You also rightly suggest that I do not know what species of dinoflagellate is in the tank, I would suggest this is true and by that same notion, you have no clue if a 3 day will work against the species being dealt with. What I am trying to emphasise is that this is a heavy undertaking and one that you don't want to go through twice. It's the reef owner's problem, so the risk is up to them and should be weighed up on an individual basis. Last edited by tastyfish; 01/20/2016 at 01:29 PM. |
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