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11/19/2015, 11:41 AM | #2501 |
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I think most aquariums will run roughly 3-5 degrees F warmer than room temp (if no cooling source ie chiller, fans, etc are not used) when room temp is in the 70's. I really don't see why you're surprised and bashing Jeff. I shouldn't have to say this, but his recommendations are based on several success stories.
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FYI only at night when I keep it at 79 via AC and NO HEAT, when temperature outside already drops down to low 70s/ high 60s, thus it's actually COOLER than 79 degrees. Figure this is common sense for people since it is November already and not blistering 90s outside during summer time. And if you look at chart, rarely does it dip below 80 even when the AC is blasting during the day time. obviously when I'm in the office, my AC is set at 75 degrees during the day time..... it's november. you can see the date on apex. I highly recommend lifereef products and have the entire setup, but jeff's recommendations of pumps is dumb. It happened with the mag9.5 with heat and performance but i let it pass figuring an external pump wouldn't heaten things up. wrong of course. definitely don't agree with his pumps recommendation whatsoever. Last edited by GatorAlum05; 11/19/2015 at 01:39 PM. |
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here you go. AC is running at 75 degrees in my office right now. Took the main circulating fan off line. Temperature creeping to 82. This is not normal, especially when I'm running led's and vortechs and I have 3 6in fans circulating in an open space behind the counter. Last edited by Dino; 04/06/2018 at 05:22 AM. |
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Sure it is normal. The tank takes time to cool down. and all you have done is further limited that. If the room is typically 79 degrees save for a few hours you are in there then you have built up heat in the tank. This is why those of us up north can get away with power outages and not running heaters for a while in the winter. It takes time for the tank to drop in temp...
Could you get a more efficient pump? Probably but at the same time you are asking for disaster keeping your home/office at such high temps normally which would be the baseline temp for your tank. If you want to run that hot in your home/office then invest in a chiler for the tank. Seriously who keeps a home/office at 79 degrees???
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Oh I lied. My thermostat is at 74 right now... not 75. Last edited by Dino; 04/06/2018 at 05:22 AM. |
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well then with all of your savings not actually running your AC in your home/office go buy a chiller for the tank or a different pump. I wouldn't fault Jeff's pump recomendation for his equipment for you deciding to leave your home such a balmy temp year round.
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Sure the temp might have dropped for the past 6 hours but for the previous 18 it was 79.
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so people don't think I'm b/s-ing... here is graph of my apex system. Clearly showing two system. I'm not one of those guys that say I have 2 systems and not have 2 system. Clearly showing two different temperature. One set up is with the pumps that I picked out. One set up shows the pump that jeff picked out. House temperature right now is 77-78. Office temperature is 74-75.
If this isn't a result of pump recommendation by Jeff than I wouldn't know what. And here's a picture of my house temperature VIA Nest where it clearly shows home temperature is at 77-78. so am I bashing or stating what my findings are. I own multiple practices. I don't need to make up stuff like a 5th grader. This is to help future users. Will recommend lifereef all the way. But definitely not jeff's recommendation of pumps. Last edited by Dino; 04/06/2018 at 05:22 AM. |
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Unless the tanks are identical in size and such it is unfair comparison
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are you really done? because it doesn't seem like it. guarantee another response in a bit about my intelligence. you're right. i'm not that bright. i pay people like you to take care of things for me because I can. happy reefing my friend. |
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here's the kicker. the tank with lower temperature has an internal pump for skimmer and return underneath a cabinet. the tank with higher temperature has external pump for return and skimmer in an open space room with NO CABINETS or air limitations. clearly you can see this has no cabinet walls. plenty of air to move around. whereas this one is underneath a cabinet in your typical sump set up Last edited by Dino; 04/06/2018 at 05:22 AM. |
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11/19/2015, 02:17 PM | #2514 |
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Office is 55g, what's the volume of the house system? I don't believe you've mentioned that, unless I missed it.
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Volume is definitely a factor. But Jeff knew this. He knew the volume that I was working with. I ordered an entire sump system from him specifically for this 55g display. Total office volume of water is the 55g display + LF150 which is about another 20 gallons + 22 gallons refugium. House tank is 150g display + 40g sump. That's why I'm very surprised if these pumps are too much and emitting too much heat. Not very happy with his choice in pumps. Last edited by Dino; 04/06/2018 at 05:22 AM. |
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I have a 105 with a blueline 40. And a mag 12 skimmer. My heat/ac always stays set at 74. Year round. My tank temp is always 78-79. 4-5 degrees over room temp. If you look at the apex graph the amps hardly change. The heater hardly ever kicks on. It goes down into the low 40s at night. My thermostat in my house is always on 74. So if your having fluctuations the only thing that seems to be changing is your house or office thermostat. Which is probably the cause.
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and did you go into detail with Jeff that you keep the location at such high temps typically?
This has gone on long enough honestly. You dont like the pump since you claim it is impacting your temps negatively whereas plenty of other people have no issues. I think more of the impact is the fact that you leave your house a few degrees shy of hades. You can talk about the other tank but volumes have impacts as to thickness of glass, proximity to vents, closeness of windows, ect. So the pump didnt work in your instance. Fine get another pump. But you keep your home at such an odd temp that you can not judge his recomendation at all. That would be akin to someone asking what rose bush to get in their garden but failing to note that they live in the artic. So in summary, pump didnt work for your odd situation, you're upset and need to get more efficient pump. To place blame on Jeff for you chosing to live on the edge is wrong however.
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You can be upset about his recommendations all you want, but it's you that's turning up the thermostat. His recommendations are based on skimming performance and reliability. He knew the volume, but did he know that you were sending the thermostat up the 79F for most of the day? Even with a DC pump you're going to be 81, probably 82+ with the thermostat at 79. Take a look in your shiny mirror.
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Jeff knew the volume. He shouldn't have pushed this pump on me like it's the greatest and best. |
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Let's relax and not attack each other, ok? This is a friendly reminder to be civil.
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Jeff already knew the volume I was working with and still recommended those pumps. So is it my fault or his? Thanks. |
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this is an experience that I am sharing for future lifereef owners not because I hate lifereef, (the opposite in fact); best skimmer I've ever owned, thus I have 2. just don't agree with jeff's recommendation given the volume of water. and If i put the splash guards on, the tank cooks to 83-85. |
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