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Unread 08/05/2016, 07:53 AM   #8726
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yup, I've had some really good results very fast with the mortar screen! Not everyone gets that, I think conditions have to be favorable. Some have been taking a while but it's usually the exception, like a tank with very low nutrients or some other kind of condition like the presence of an aggressive media


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Unread 08/05/2016, 08:00 AM   #8727
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yup, I've had some really good results very fast with the mortar screen! Not everyone gets that, I think conditions have to be favorable. Some have been taking a while but it's usually the exception, like a tank with very low nutrients or some other kind of condition like the presence of an aggressive media
You mean like a system with phosphates under .03, nitrates ~2, cabon dosing, ozone utilization, skimmer that skims 6 cups per day of dryish skimmate, and has been swapping out a 100 micron filter sock twice a day (for the time being).... you mean like my system


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Unread 08/05/2016, 08:13 AM   #8728
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lol yeah but the other factor here is that you have had a scrubber running on the tank previously, even if you took it off for a while, that seems to be a factor when it comes to starting up a brand spankin' new screen for some reason!

Also if you have a good bioload and feed a decent amount, you'll have "fuel" ready for use. It's the tanks that read 0/0 and use things like nopox or GFO that seem to have trouble, even if they can grow algae in the tank well...


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Unread 08/05/2016, 08:18 AM   #8729
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Yeah, I feed. a. lot.


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Unread 08/05/2016, 08:36 AM   #8730
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You mean like a system with phosphates under .03, nitrates ~2, cabon dosing, ozone utilization, skimmer that skims 6 cups per day of dryish skimmate, and has been swapping out a 100 micron filter sock twice a day (for the time being).... you mean like my system
Sounds a lot like my system. We both have 180 and I have about 17 fish. Phosphates .03, Nitrate (last test) 5. I am dosing vodka/vinegar, usually use GFO (when PO4 gets over .04), and have a ATS. Oh, I only change my filter sock every other day. Heavy SPS tank.


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Unread 08/05/2016, 07:37 PM   #8731
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Sounds a lot like my system. We both have 180 and I have about 17 fish. Phosphates .03, Nitrate (last test) 5. I am dosing vodka/vinegar, usually use GFO (when PO4 gets over .04), and have a ATS. Oh, I only change my filter sock every other day. Heavy SPS tank.
I think I have 29 fish. I listed out what I have stocked here
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1673282

I've been impressed with the vodka/vinegar mix switching from vinegar only. It dropped my phosphates further and had to feed more to up the nitrates as they dropped way to low.

I've got a start on a mixed reef after loosing all corals and other inverts to some mold and mildew cleaner getting in my tank. But my main focus now are my bubble tips. They are growing out nicely.


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Unread 08/05/2016, 08:47 PM   #8732
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Unread 08/06/2016, 11:22 PM   #8733
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anyone know tips and tricks to quit down an upflow ATS?


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Unread 08/07/2016, 09:00 AM   #8734
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is it better to run longer time or higher intensity?

I have read that even algae needs some off time meaning you should not run lights for 24hrs, but latelly I have seen that some leave leds 24hrs in their ATS.

I have been running a 2 cube ATS in a 150 DT mixed reef for 2 months now.
growth has been good. attached is the photos of my last harvest.
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I have been running lights for 20 hours at 75% intensity
I am not sure if I should leave leds on for 24 hours or just increase intensity of the leds to 85%?

this system has high nutrients:
NO3 = 25ppm
PO4= 0.46 ppm ( hanna)

please tell me what you think


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Unread 08/07/2016, 09:23 AM   #8735
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I have been running my scrubber lights 24/7 for about a year now - that started when I accidentally flipped the timer switch to the "ON" position instead of the "TIMER" position, and in 5 days I had as much growth as I did in ~8 days when I was running 12-16 hrs/day.

Since then I've left it there, first as an experiment but after that, just because it works for me.

I believe RHF chimed in on this thread at some point, might have been elsewhere, but there is no rule or law that says algae needs a dark time. In fact that has been pretty much disproven, anecdotally if anything (and most things in this hobbyare proven/disproven anecdotally)

For 24/7 lighting though, you have to have enough tank load to support that. Meaning, either you are running a small scrubber on a larger tank than you normally would or you are running it in a tank that is more heavily fed = more nutrients. Also the light intensity has a factor.

Also a factor is what kind of growth you are getting. You can't force a system to work on 24/7 lighting, it's actually the other way around. If you screen is growing great, increase lighting (photperiod first, then intensity if adjustable). Work your way up in hours and watch for growth reversion. If you can adjust intensity then don't adjust that at the same time you adjust hours/day.

If you can adjust intensity then once you have a full screen of growth you can pretty much go 24/7 and then watch the growth and adjust intensity until you maximize growth.

The key is allowing enough time at a set level/time to make sure that it's working correctly and the growth is not reverting.

Also never over-clean when running long hours. You want to remove 90% of the growth but leave a good amount on the screen, especially if your holes are not well filled in yet.


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Unread 08/07/2016, 09:57 AM   #8736
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Understood, Thanks a lot.

What do you mean by RHF??


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Unread 08/07/2016, 12:15 PM   #8738
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I run 24/7 and as long as I feed enough and the flow is high enough, I'm good.

Recently, my flow dropped because my pump got partially clogged. The bacteria took over and my screen turned to brown jelly.

Flow + nutrients = fuel
Light intensity + duration = burn rate

As long as fuel = burn rate, you'll have a healthy ATS

that's my simple view anyway.


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Unread 08/07/2016, 02:41 PM   #8739
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quiet down an upflow ATS?
Is the sound from inside the box, or from the bubbles hitting the surface?

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please tell me what you think
All dark stuff needs to be scraped/brushed of so you see white again, and you could probably do 24 hours of light because the light is not strong enough for those higher nutrients. Also, painting the interior white will greatly increase the light.


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Unread 08/07/2016, 04:21 PM   #8740
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good way to explain it, thanks a lot
I will run it 24/7 and increase a little the intensity of the leds and see what happens in next harvest

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[QUOTE=SantaMonica;24669526]Is the sound from inside the box, or from the bubbles hitting the surface?




from bubbles hitting the water. or both if there are ways. reason why I ask this is...

I am thinking of making a smaller version for my 20L macro. I over feed trying to get a canary blenny to eat. no CUC and even with 12 verities of macro I still got GHA boo i know.

so I am thinking about another up flow or Aqua clear 50 mod ATS ( not sure how i will do that tho. ) if there is a way to quite them down I think I would give it a try.

oh SM on a side note do you think the fusion quite power 700 can push air 15t o 18'? I might just link both up to the same LED driver and air pump then it will be a cheap build.

does anyone see a problem running led wires under a base board heater to the other side of the room to my 20L?


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also wondering if anyone has made a ATS from a aquaclear 50. with out cutting the back out.


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Unread 08/08/2016, 01:52 PM   #8743
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also wondering if anyone has made a ATS from a aquaclear 50. with out cutting the back out.
If you are thinking of using an Aquaclear 50, I very much doubt that the pump qill produce anywhere near enough flow. I have a 70 that I no longer use, but I don't think the flow was anywhere close to 35 GPh per inch.


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Humm good point. I could always do an up flow in there. The trick is waterproofing the leds.

i know of ppl dbl coating with epoxy just not 100% sure on that...

My idea was to get it out of the tank and somehow reduce the bubble noise.

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Well if it's bubbles coming up to the surface, you just need to enclose that area by extending the box to above the surface, with a little air outlet hole. The thicker the material, the quieter it will be.


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^ move the top of the ATS above water level? that makes it worse...

or are you thinking of A air hose?
it not to bad on my 90 but really dont want to add another. 2 bubblers might be a lil to much.


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Will need some pics then to recommend what to do.


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ok i'll get you some tomorrow.

do you guys think leds driven @ 350 ma would work for a small scrubber for a 20L? .5 cube a day single side screen? I was thinking 2 leds driven @700 so if I went 4 at 350 ma might to the trick? I just have that driver doing nothing.
I know that is kinda week but should work?

also open to driver and airpump suggestions...


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Unread 08/09/2016, 07:17 AM   #8749
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gotta build a new setup... anyone have input on best ready made led lamp/fixture for waterfall scrubbers? lots out there to choose from may as well ask if there is a certain one people are having success with. Thanks

6 x 10 screen size if that helps


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