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02/15/2015, 08:11 AM | #1 |
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why so many Kessils up for sale lately?
I need to upgrade my lights on my sps frag tank and Kessils are one of the options I am considering for the tank but with seeing so many going up for sale recently I am curious as to why.
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02/15/2015, 09:33 AM | #2 |
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Kessil's have quite a following but the most I see for sale are the older models. Any models being sold listed as 360 W,N or 350 fit are older units . I cannot guess as to why any of the newest WE ones are going for sale . I certainly have looked at them. It would take too many to be successful in what I want to keep unless I use a slew of them .
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02/15/2015, 09:45 AM | #3 |
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I used to work for a company that built custom leds for several applications such as automotive and others. I can tel you the difference between 3000 dollars in led fixtures and 300 dollars is minuscule.
However, if advanced controlling (above and beyond adjusting Blues and whites separatey, dimming and contolling Blues and whites separately) is your forte, drop the extra cash. Me personally, I don't need lightening strikes |
02/15/2015, 10:03 AM | #4 |
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Some percentage of people just have to have the most recent version of something. When a new model of something comes out, you tend to see a lot of used sales. Usually absurdly priced since it is fundamental to the human condition to expect to get more for your own used gear than you'd be willing to pay for somebody else's. Expect to see a whole slew of vortech pumps for sale in the coming weeks.
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Bottom line, not all LED's are created equal and the fact is that there are many cheap fixtures out there that are not built to last and while they may boast wattage on par with the higher end fixtures, much of that wattage is wasted on diodes in a spectrum that isn't useful to most coral. In fact, some of those spectrums can promote and increase nuisance algae growth too.
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The new Kessils (360xE series) are brighter than the previous 360s and all 360s have more controllability than the previous series. I don't know that I'd chalk this up to just a desire to have the latest and greatest. Also to the OP - Kessils are definitely not flooding the used market or I wouldn't have had to buy my 360NEs new. |
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02/15/2015, 12:14 PM | #9 |
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Thank you for everyone's spirited responses. I have had a lot of success with my t5's on my frag tank but its not big enough for the tank so I am contemplating going from 6x24 t5 to one of these options for my 44x24x12 frag tank....1) 8x39w t5 2) 36" cebu sun mh/t5 combo or 3) 3 x A160w kessils.
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I've only got one SPS frag in my tank right now but it's doing really well despite my low calcium levels. I will be adding a calcium reactor in the near future though and I'm considering adding more SPS. My tank is primarily soft corals and LPS. My hammers and softies grow like weeds though.
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02/16/2015, 02:33 AM | #12 |
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People are probably wanting to sell them to get the New Kessil AP 700 Fixture that is coming out very soon.
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07/05/2015, 03:00 PM | #13 |
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The new generation is also more silent because of the new cooling fans. And that is also one of the reasons why everyone is upgrading
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07/05/2015, 10:40 PM | #14 |
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The problem with kessil is that you need many as they are a point source.
Go with a fixture that give you more width
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But it's true if you wait a few weeks the newest Kessil design will be added to their line up and it's a much wider light.
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OP have 44x24 to cover, I would go with a 2x 120w razor, 1x300w razor or 2x Hydra 26/52 For a frag tank the more watt the better for growth
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07/06/2015, 06:23 AM | #17 |
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My experience with kessils is that they are the best light on the market. As for them being for sale, just check the model and how long it was run. I was wondering the same thing about gyres recently as I absolute adore mine, but see them for sale a lot.
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Take a look at the reef bright metal halide's .
I talked to Tullio at the show there reflectors almost doubled the lux amount over the reflector I am using now. They showed there reflectors over standard reflectors on the ceiling with t 5 bulbs and there reflectors light up the ceiling. The standard didn't cut it. |
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07/11/2015, 05:39 AM | #20 |
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Kessil lights.
Bought A160WE's for my 90. Awesome lights.
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07/11/2015, 06:18 AM | #21 |
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The "new" Kessil 700 appears to be nothing more than two standard Kessils in a different housing. Right now, I dont understand what the excitement is all about. Hopefully I am mistaken.
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You are a little mistaken. The AP700 allows more control over color and allows wireless control via an app instead of having to buy any external controller. I would have bought it if I had the patience to wait. I still may depending on how sweet it ends up being
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There are a couple of shops in L.A. that have been beta testers and have the lastest version in use and they're awesome.
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As I understand it, one drawback with fixtures like Kessil is the shadowing. This is due to the point source nature of Kessils. In the AP700 I think they want to eliminate this problem by using a reflector, so I imagine the led matrix is pointing upwards to the reflector which gives more uniform spread.
This is my own speculation though. :-) |
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