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06/16/2010, 12:29 AM | #126 |
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so josh, why would you want a car? or a stove in your home? or a case of beer? or fast food? or a fire place? or, or, or, or, or, or, or.....
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09/23/2010, 03:36 PM | #127 |
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...or a wife!
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09/23/2010, 03:39 PM | #128 |
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Just kidding honey! You know I love you, (and I know you'll read this.)
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09/24/2010, 10:17 AM | #129 |
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why do people have such a psychosis over things they dont understand.
every one of the posters in this thread meets other people every day and yet they get terrorfied over something that cant walk and has rudimentary brain functions. you know the people you meet everyday could kill you...and there isnt anywhere to run as humans have taken over every environ -land, air, sea and space. |
09/24/2010, 04:34 PM | #130 |
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Your argument doesn't make much sense, it's the octopus natural instinct to attack when is feels threatened. Humans are able to restrain themselves, and don't kill you when they feel bad.
It's like you saying, go ahead go swim with crocodiles, we swim with humans who can kill us, so why not swim with them? |
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There are lots of things in the ocean that can kill or injure you just as there are dangers in the city, desert or high mountains. Each environment has its own unique set of hazards. Some of those environments, because we frequent them often, do not seem particularly dangerous. We recognize and understand the risks and how to avoid them. I would venture to guess that most people who visit this thread know that Hapalochlaena can kill humans and have a basic understanding of how not to be envenomated. It is the person who has never heard of or seen a blue-ring that concerns me - whether that contact comes on a beach in Sydney or in a friends aquarium in Chicago.
Posting lots of gloom and doom warnings on lists such as this one doesn't do much to reach the uninformed. Perhaps the hype will lead a few aquarists to not purchase a blue-ring or if they do, to take steps to secure the octopus from the curious hands of the neighbor child. I hope so. As a professor and chair of an academic department, I am legally required to inform my students of potential dangers working in the lab or in the field. Last week we sent a class of 22 undergraduates to a field station in French Polynesia for three monthsto study island biology including the marine realm. I spent two hours showing them a PowerPoint of the dangers they might encounter ranging from deadly sponges to sharks, cubomedusae to stonefish. Will they all remain safe? Almost certainly not. There will be the odd sea urchin wound, coral cut, or stingray stab. It happens with every class every year. However, hopefully no one will put a textile cone in their pocket or pick up a sea snake. We can warn against obvious dangers and instill a certain degree of caution. Fortunately, blue-rings don't occur in Moorea, so I can leave that one off the list, but if they did, I would include them in the lecture along with lots of photos, instructions on what to do if bitten. and a stern warning that these things can kill you in a few minutes. Roy |
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blue ring octopus's illegal?? Yeah and spiders are illegal too.... the only law here in omaha concerning any dangerous animals is in regards to wild cats, snakes over 8' and exotic animals(lions tigers elephants etc....)
people keep, scorpios, venomous snakes, spiders, stone fish, lionfish, bla bla bla
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Im pretty sure if you have a reef tank period theres something in there that could kill you, via bacteria, palytoxin etc , your furnace ca kill you, the food you eat can kill you.... its just a matter of how smart you are and if you have common sense, if you stick your hand in the tank and throw it around sure it will bite you, common sense.... dont stick your hands in the tank.... its not like the things going to crawl out of the tank at night and come bite you in your sleep....... here in omaha we have brown recluse spiders that can crawl into your bed at night and kill you over a period of time after your flesh eats itself, common sense people................ its like saying...geez i dont want a stove in my house.....it could burn me and kill me....
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I had no idea how deadly these are.
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There is a vid on youtube of a mantis destroying one... just an FYI
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This is a little off topic but I here is a video of me being a dumb American in OZ. I didnt know what a blue ring octo was until after I shot this video. We played with it for at least 20 minutes before letting it crawl back into its shell and putting the shell back where it was. I guess it does show that they arent just going to kill you if you come in contact with them though.
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interesting thread. I prefer not to keep things I do not think I can keep alive, and, at this point, octopus certainly fall into that category. In my opinion, you can not understand the allure of keeping a venomous animal unless you just automatically get it. I strongly disagree with keeping any deadly venomous animals in a home environment. There is simply way too many things that can go wrong. The almost infinite number of complications that can occur in the average life put way too many "innocents" at risk. Even if you are a complete loner, you still could die suddenly and some unsuspecting person is going to have to clean up your house/apartment.
I have some experience with keeping "hot" snakes. Any venomous animal is going to be very efficient at delivering its venom. You do not get to learn from experience. One simple, small mistake and you get to have a very bad day at best. If you have no experience working with venomous animals or at the least aggressive dangerous marine life then IMO a deadly octopus could present a fairly steep learning curve. I always try and think how it would effect my loved ones when I am considering doing something with some probability of death. However, anyone that decides to keep these in a home environment is fine by me. My only objection would be having to have us as "society" absorb the lifeflight, the ICU stay, etc... if a bite did occur.
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You were lucky because this female Hapalochlaena fasciata was brooding eggs in her web and from my experience with is when blue-rings are particularly aggressive.
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The issue as to whether or not keep dangerous animals comes up frequently in the reptile community, partially because of the rampant phobias surrounding snakes and the like.
IME, there are two reasons people keep dangerous animals: 1.) They are compensating for some inequity in their own life and feel the need to show off (same reason some folks drive Hummers, lol). 2.) They have a genuine curiosity as to the behaviors exhibited by a dangerous creature (venomous animals know they're venomous and behave differently). Often times, folks convince them its number #2 when deep down its #1. The question people have to ask is what level of inherent risk they are willing to tolerate. Not necessarily for themselves, but for loved ones. For example, an escaped octopus might be irresistible to a pet dog or God forbid a young child. I worked with a few professors and have spend many hours catching and tagging rattlesnakes and even kept a few personal specimens. They are fascinating creatures with a very high level of awareness when compared to many other snakes. However, when my babies were born, the inherent risk was too high and off they went. No cool animal is worth the risk, especially ones that are adept at escape.
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