wish me luck

tabwyo · 01/13/2006, 07:36 PM

I am going to set up a horsie pen, my mind is made up. That and the wife is twisting my arm a tad. I have a 30Gxt moded with a 12L by 4W(front to back) external overflow. The sump will be a 10G to house a carbon reactor and a tricked out seaclone. The return pump will be a QuietOne1200 for a slow turnover. I have a batch of Marshall LR that is infested with a kelp like macro alge wich will go in the tank, I'd say 40# worth at least 40% of wich is crawling with the kelp. 20# of special grade argonite sand. The trouble I am having is do I stick with the 10,000k 150W MH pendant or switch to a 50/50 130W PC fixture I have collectin dust. I would like input on the "planned" setup and tips on growing my macro. I'd love to have a SW planted tank.

Fishfreak218 · 01/13/2006, 08:09 PM

im planning on getting Seahorse soon two.. i am converting my tank.. and transfering all un SH safe corals and fish to another 30g. hopefully it will all be done in feb. and i can go pick up some SH's from DanU
goood luck with yours!
keep us posted.. and give pics

-josh

Samala · 01/13/2006, 08:14 PM

If you want seagrasses in the setup, go with the MH, if you want fast growth and lots of macro, still MH.. but I think macroalgae, including most kelps/sargrassum and other browns, would be fine with the 130watt PC setup, provided you switch bulbs to daylights.

>Sarah

Bdimas · 01/13/2006, 08:21 PM

Id go with the halides. They look better imo. Plus the macro will love it.

Jordan55 · 01/13/2006, 10:41 PM

I thought I read that it was not a good idea to keep sea horses under MH lighting because it is so bright.

The more I think about it, the more I don't understand how it affects them with light.... but if anyone has something to say, please do..... just what I have read before and throwing it out there.

Samala · 01/13/2006, 10:48 PM

I honestly feel the no-MH thing comes from those with nutrient heavy seahorse systems, which would probably cause a nice algae issue under so much light. And then we get algae on the seahorses. I very much doubt seahorses are really so photosensitive. The dwarfs never reacted to high light in seagrass tanks. And, while snorkeling or diving, I've seen SH and pipes in incredibly bright seagrass beds. Of course, in these situations, they have the option of retreating to shaded areas.

>Sarah

leheath · 01/14/2006, 01:00 AM

I have always been under the impression that the biggest problem with MH over seahorse tanks is that they create alot of heat, making it more difficult to keep the tank at the lower temps most seahorses require (at least lower than most people keep their reef tanks). I would think that as long as some shady areas were provided and you deal with the heat issues, seahorses should be fine under MH, given their natural habitat....

Just my $0.02

LisaD · 01/14/2006, 02:01 AM

I would agree. As long as you can keep the heat down (not always easy with MH) and provide the seahorses with overhangs or macro beds to find shelter and shade if they want it, I don't see any problem with MH. I use PCs more in general because they don't use as much electricity, and don't get so hot. But I do use MHs over my crocea clam/SPS tank (which used to house seahorses before I got the clams).

Bdimas · 01/14/2006, 01:14 PM

I have a 250watt mh on my 29 reef, i know that seahorses need cooler tanks than reef tanks, but i run a fan over my sump and it helps out greatly. You dont have to have mh but if you want it there are solutions to solve heat problems. In a small tank you can buy an ice probe chiller for around 100 dollars. I just think mh looks more natural.

km133688 · 01/14/2006, 05:22 PM

I have the MH heat problem. Currently I only run half my lighting because of it. Haven't figured out how to get the heat down otherwise yet.

But, is there any reason you can't swap back and forth between the two lighting options. I assume you own all the lighting already. If so, then start with one, if you don't like it, try the other.

Good luck, Kevin

LisaD · 01/15/2006, 06:27 AM

I think consistency for the light requiring plants and animals is important. If you are running PCs a few hours a day and MH a few hours, it's probably fine. But if you are alternating days, or running MH when the season is cool and other lights when temperatures are higher, I don't think it is a good idea.

tabwyo · 01/17/2006, 07:33 PM

The pendant is stayin. I can deal with heat issues. I have decided to run a wet/dry and no skimmer. I will just ramp up my water changes. Say 10g a week. I intend to run this as "turbid" as possible without fighting continual "undisireable" alge outbreaks.

techigirl78 · 01/20/2006, 09:05 PM

If I wanted sea grass/macro, could I just put lower watt MH over a SH tank to keep down electricity costs and still get the nice effect? I'm thinking maybe 2 150 W MH in a 75.

01/13/2006, 07:36 PM	#1
tabwyo Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Riverton, Wyoming Posts: 206	wish me luck I am going to set up a horsie pen, my mind is made up. That and the wife is twisting my arm a tad. I have a 30Gxt moded with a 12L by 4W(front to back) external overflow. The sump will be a 10G to house a carbon reactor and a tricked out seaclone. The return pump will be a QuietOne1200 for a slow turnover. I have a batch of Marshall LR that is infested with a kelp like macro alge wich will go in the tank, I'd say 40# worth at least 40% of wich is crawling with the kelp. 20# of special grade argonite sand. The trouble I am having is do I stick with the 10,000k 150W MH pendant or switch to a 50/50 130W PC fixture I have collectin dust. I would like input on the "planned" setup and tips on growing my macro. I'd love to have a SW planted tank.

01/13/2006, 08:09 PM	#2
Fishfreak218 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Palm Beach Florida Posts: 1,412	im planning on getting Seahorse soon two.. i am converting my tank.. and transfering all un SH safe corals and fish to another 30g. hopefully it will all be done in feb. and i can go pick up some SH's from DanU goood luck with yours! keep us posted.. and give pics -josh __________________ -30g. Oceanic Cube Cuttlefish Reef -90g. Mixed Reef -14g Biocube FW planted tank -10g. frag tank (soon) Current Tank Info: 90g. Reef, 30g. Cube cuttlefish reef

01/13/2006, 08:14 PM	#3
Samala Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,930	If you want seagrasses in the setup, go with the MH, if you want fast growth and lots of macro, still MH.. but I think macroalgae, including most kelps/sargrassum and other browns, would be fine with the 130watt PC setup, provided you switch bulbs to daylights. >Sarah __________________ "Seaweed is cool, seaweed is fun, it makes its food from the rays of the sun!"

01/13/2006, 08:21 PM	#4
Bdimas No on 15 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 2,518	Id go with the halides. They look better imo. Plus the macro will love it. __________________ Bryan Current Tank Info: 90gallon mixed reef.

01/13/2006, 10:41 PM	#5
Jordan55 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,208	I thought I read that it was not a good idea to keep sea horses under MH lighting because it is so bright. The more I think about it, the more I don't understand how it affects them with light.... but if anyone has something to say, please do..... just what I have read before and throwing it out there. __________________ I can do everything through him who gives me strength. Current Tank Info: None

01/13/2006, 10:48 PM	#6
Samala Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,930	I honestly feel the no-MH thing comes from those with nutrient heavy seahorse systems, which would probably cause a nice algae issue under so much light. And then we get algae on the seahorses. I very much doubt seahorses are really so photosensitive. The dwarfs never reacted to high light in seagrass tanks. And, while snorkeling or diving, I've seen SH and pipes in incredibly bright seagrass beds. Of course, in these situations, they have the option of retreating to shaded areas. >Sarah __________________ "Seaweed is cool, seaweed is fun, it makes its food from the rays of the sun!"

01/14/2006, 01:00 AM	#7
leheath Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 1,472	I have always been under the impression that the biggest problem with MH over seahorse tanks is that they create alot of heat, making it more difficult to keep the tank at the lower temps most seahorses require (at least lower than most people keep their reef tanks). I would think that as long as some shady areas were provided and you deal with the heat issues, seahorses should be fine under MH, given their natural habitat.... Just my $0.02 __________________ "May the wind always be at your back, the sun upon your face, and may the wings of destiny carry you aloft to dance with the stars" - Johnny Depp in the movie 'Blow' Current Tank Info: 75g reef, 55g sump with chaeto refugium section, Mag9.5 pump, 2 M620 Rio Seios, no skimmer, 4x54W T5, ~80lbs LR, 2 clown fish, yellow assessor, 2 tuxedo urchins, selection of LPS and soft corals, lots of inverts!

01/14/2006, 02:01 AM	#8
LisaD That's not a salmon Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: central North Carolina Posts: 6,986	I would agree. As long as you can keep the heat down (not always easy with MH) and provide the seahorses with overhangs or macro beds to find shelter and shade if they want it, I don't see any problem with MH. I use PCs more in general because they don't use as much electricity, and don't get so hot. But I do use MHs over my crocea clam/SPS tank (which used to house seahorses before I got the clams). __________________ Keeping saltwater tanks since the late '70s Current Tank Info: tankless at the moment

01/14/2006, 01:14 PM	#9
Bdimas No on 15 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 2,518	I have a 250watt mh on my 29 reef, i know that seahorses need cooler tanks than reef tanks, but i run a fan over my sump and it helps out greatly. You dont have to have mh but if you want it there are solutions to solve heat problems. In a small tank you can buy an ice probe chiller for around 100 dollars. I just think mh looks more natural. __________________ Bryan Current Tank Info: 90gallon mixed reef.

01/14/2006, 05:22 PM	#10
km133688 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Norwich CT Posts: 1,559	I have the MH heat problem. Currently I only run half my lighting because of it. Haven't figured out how to get the heat down otherwise yet. But, is there any reason you can't swap back and forth between the two lighting options. I assume you own all the lighting already. If so, then start with one, if you don't like it, try the other. Good luck, Kevin __________________ Elderwoman says: "come in Chosen One and hear, our village is saved, for the holy G.E.C.K. has promised we will be delivered a Fallout3!" Current Tank Info: 28Gallon BioCube HQI w/ mated pair of tomatoe clowns and mated pair of banggai cardinalfish

01/15/2006, 06:27 AM	#11
LisaD That's not a salmon Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: central North Carolina Posts: 6,986	I think consistency for the light requiring plants and animals is important. If you are running PCs a few hours a day and MH a few hours, it's probably fine. But if you are alternating days, or running MH when the season is cool and other lights when temperatures are higher, I don't think it is a good idea. __________________ Keeping saltwater tanks since the late '70s Current Tank Info: tankless at the moment

01/17/2006, 07:33 PM	#12
tabwyo Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Riverton, Wyoming Posts: 206	The pendant is stayin. I can deal with heat issues. I have decided to run a wet/dry and no skimmer. I will just ramp up my water changes. Say 10g a week. I intend to run this as "turbid" as possible without fighting continual "undisireable" alge outbreaks. __________________ Combat-In-Effect.com, TattooFightwear.com & TrainFightWin.com sponsored mixed martial artist and all around cuddly guy. Current Tank Info: 70 gallon LPS/SPS/shroom/leather 29g seahorse barn

01/20/2006, 09:05 PM	#13
techigirl78 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,739	If I wanted sea grass/macro, could I just put lower watt MH over a SH tank to keep down electricity costs and still get the nice effect? I'm thinking maybe 2 150 W MH in a 75.