My Project ★ GENESIS ★ 110G (Miracle) SPS Dream Tank - (II) Build Thread

[Rakie]

Originally Posted by Wally.B

I would have but till I order some (takes a week to arrive), I have one tiny Ball, so it need to not be wasted.
It floats away after a while stuck on.

Ah I see!

[Wally.B]

Originally Posted by sensei

I am not sure if understand correctly:
you are treating all new fish or only the ones that show symptoms like the copper??

I ask because you can do several fish at same time in same tank with TTM , specially if they are small. You can also add "prime" or any other amonia detox product in the 2nd and 3rd day for peace of mind in case you feel the load is big for the TTTank.

I am sure you know this, but velvet could manifest at the 6 or 7th week after the new fish arrive because low copper concentration water where they are kept in LFS inhibits the disease for some time, so it is risky to introduce new fish even after you do TTM and prazi. Ideally you need to observe after TTM in a cycled hospital tank to be sure.

either you treat new arrivals for velvet also or you wait and observe after TTM.

best regards

Sensei,

It's a bit confusing since I have two situations going on.

1) The New CopperBand with ICH (that was in Kitchen Tank)
2) The New Fish going into New tank (All is fine, just doing Proper QT)

I need Help with CopperBand since TTM time is coming up.

Here are my two DT/QT Situations:





I need advice on DT-B QT-B above.

[Wally.B]

Sensei,

Beside QT tanks for Tank Transfer.
Here are my tools/meds for Copperband Hospitals, and DT he came from.

-> Tank Transfer Tanks
-> I have Copper Treatment (Cupramine) and Copper Test kit to do properly
-> I have Poly Lab Medic

[Wally.B]

TANK TRIM (NEW LOOK) Wall Matched Trim

What do you think?



I'm not removing, since I want to move on. (Was tough to line up and do filler work)

I just patched with plaster (drying) so needs one more Coat of paint.



Easy to Switch Colors (I may try WHITE-WHITE) Some Day....

Good enough for now....Bye Bye OAK (1990) look.

Much more to do.

[reefmutt]

Nice.
Well, you’ve inspired me to paint the cabinetry around my tank the same color as my walls..
It’s a wood finish now..

[Rakie]

Looks great wally, much more slick. At least Reef Keeping magazine circa 2008.

Originally Posted by reefmutt

Nice.
Well, you’ve inspired me to paint the cabinetry around my tank the same color as my walls..
It’s a wood finish now..

[Wally.B]

Originally Posted by Rakie

Looks great wally, much more slick. At least Reef Keeping magazine circa 2008.

Originally Posted by reefmutt

Nice.
Well, you’ve inspired me to paint the cabinetry around my tank the same color as my walls..
It’s a wood finish now..

So everyone agrees. Including my Family likes the Modern looks better.

If you want a Laugh about 1990's

Here is a video of my SCUBA DIVES from 1990 Cozumel Mexico.
Me in my BUSHY 1990 Hair. Moustache (Wearing Yellow Swim Trunks).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL5S8OZMZ4Q

We hired a Professsional Diver VideoPhotographer to join us on 4 Dives, and film.
Some interesting shots, that you may find Entertaining.
Morray Eel above Fed by our Dive Master (by mouth). Some other Surprises and a look at Mexico Island years ago.

Try not to Laugh too hard at me in 1990.

I only dug this ANCIENT VIDEO UP since TenurePro just got back from Cozumel and made a Amazing Video of his dives. He might post link here too.

[Wally.B]

Neptune Systems RMA (Replacement VDM Arrives) and some Goodies

Speaking of old STYLE.
My replacement VDM Module JUST Arrived from Neptune systems.

I got a BLACK METAL Original one instead of the new Grey/Purple Plastic (Really happy if it works, to match my OLD SCHOOL setup in Sump Room)



For the New Purchase (DOA) Headaches, they threw in the T-Shirt and a nice Towel with a retractable clip on.

Now I can finish the Full Sump Room Setup (Variable Speed on DC Pumps, and more).

[Wally.B]

Wooo hooo. (Copperband Eating Masstick Food from Feeder)

I just saw the Copper Band Butterfly Pecking at the Masstick Feeder.
It's now empty and polished off (Even deep within the holes).

I loaded it up again with some more and he is back.
I got it on video to prove it but you get the point.

Will be ordering some Easy Reefs Masstick Fish Food for up Coming QT.

[Rakie]

Good to hear! It's weird, my fish don't like Mastik.. but at the same time, when fish are new and not used to being fed they just seem to understand mastik on a clam shell is food, and they go for it.

It's really great for anything that picks bits of food in the wild (like a copperband).

[sensei]

Originally Posted by Wally.B

Sensei,

Beside QT tanks for Tank Transfer.
Here are my tools/meds for Copperband Hospitals, and DT he came from.

-> Tank Transfer Tanks
-> I have Copper Treatment (Cupramine) and Copper Test kit to do properly
-> I have Poly Lab Medic

Wally,

the only known cures for ich are TTM, copper and CP and TTM is the quickest cure.
if I recall correctly, you had ich in your kitchen tank in a powder brown and you kept all other fish inside, so ich is still there but may not be visible in the other fish. If you are not willing to go fallow for 72 days in that tank it is a gamble introducing any other fish in IMO, and worst delicate fish like the copper in that tank.

I you wish to start clean then you could leave the copper for the sps tank and qt all fish that go there before hand. not only the ones that show symptoms. you would need to do TTM and prazi to all incoming fish. if you go that route, you would also be able to use the Water Change Water in that tank to do TTM since that water should be clean of diseases.

hope this helps.

[Wally.B]

Originally Posted by Rakie

Good to hear! It's weird, my fish don't like Mastik.. but at the same time, when fish are new and not used to being fed they just seem to understand mastik on a clam shell is food, and they go for it.

It's really great for anything that picks bits of food in the wild (like a copperband).

Here is VIDEO Proof. (About a Minute). Shows CoperBand going For Food/Feeder FIRST TRY, and then Again after Refilling Feeder (HE is HOOKED, and eating all the food off....As much as I put on)

https://youtu.be/y-1WTTjsvPY

Whatever works to keep him Nourished, especially since I can make a couple of these feeders to move during Tank Transfer (CANOT BRING Contaminated Stuff over)

I can also mix in MED or Vitamins into the Masstick Pasty Type food.

[Wally.B]

Originally Posted by sensei

Wally,

the only known cures for ich are TTM, copper and CP and TTM is the quickest cure.
if I recall correctly, you had ich in your kitchen tank in a powder brown and you kept all other fish inside, so ich is still there but may not be visible in the other fish. If you are not willing to go fallow for 72 days in that tank it is a gamble introducing any other fish in IMO, and worst delicate fish like the copper in that tank.

I you wish to start clean then you could leave the copper for the sps tank and qt all fish that go there before hand. not only the ones that show symptoms. you would need to do TTM and prazi to all incoming fish. if you go that route, you would also be able to use the Water Change Water in that tank to do TTM since that water should be clean of diseases.

hope this helps.

I have too much to do to tear down Kithchen tank to catch all fish, and then do 72day of Fallow. Maybe in summer.

So I'll cure this Copperband with TTM, and treat him in general.
Then he goes into my New 110G tank. NOT BACK INTO KITCHEN TANK.
Small risk is that tank is ICH FREE, and I have other fish in there.
So Copper TREAMENT in NEW tank as you say is option (since no Corals Yet).

[Wally.B]

TRANSFER HOSPITAL READY (for 2nd Tank Transfer [Friday] ) Maybe Treat Current Transfer Tank (65Gal) with Copper??

The Copperband Fish is Eating as mentioned before.

The Copperband Fish has no visible ICH anymore!!

Since I have to shut down the Current 65 Gal Tank, would it not be a good idea before I do transfer to Treat this Tank with Cupramine (COPPER)?

It would reduce the ICH population that is currently in the breeding stage, and threat any residual ich (I can't see) on the Coperband fish.

I see no harm.

Only thing would be a Waste of Cupramine Liquid Treatment.
As per quote from Curprmine Instructions:

Ich, velvet, and many other parasites spend a large portion of their life cycle as a cyst that is immune to medication and hiding in the substrate of your tank.
Remember that you need to finish the full treatment even if you can’t see parasites on the fish!


One OPTION, is I give the Copperband a short Copper Bath in a small container (AS Part of the Transfer step). It would also reduce the risk of bringing over ICH into the 2nd Transfer Tank.

[Wally.B]

I done some reading of the Cuprmine Instructions and I treated the 65 Gallon Tank with Cupramine (just Now)

I will also dose the 2nd Tank Transfer with Cupramine so that Copperband will get the Full 14 Day Treatment, This Tank, IN 2nd Transfer Tank, and 3rd.

Thus Copperband's Copper treatment will end Weds April 18th.

I am saving myself a few days starting now.

[Wally.B]

Cool Feeder Trick. CopperBand is eating Frozen Brine (Doesn't know it, but can taste the Frozen Food)

I made up some of the Masstick Food and mix it with Frozen Brine (in the Feeder Holes).
Food In layers. Masstik/BrineShrimp,/Mastick Covered on Hole Top.

Next Time I'll add a pellet and some Flake into the Mastik Mix.

Great way to train Copperband using the Feeder that he recognizes and Swims to right away.

[Wally.B]

Copper Treatment (Is Killing all the Bristle Star Worms) GOOD TO KNOW

Remember when I started up the New Tank, I caught about 50 Bristle Star Worms and put them into old 65 GAL Tank.

After Treating the 65 Gal tank with Copper, I right away noticed a few bristle stars floating loose. Now I see others DEAD.

Of course, the Bristle Star Worms are Invertabrates, and they are as Cupramine Instructions say (Extremely Sensitive to Copper).

Good to know since that mean I don't really want to Treat the New 110 Gallon tank, or else I'll wipe out the Bristle worms, and cause a large Die Off in Tank.

I would have to remove cleaner shrimp, hermits, etc. to treat the new Tank.
SO that option is OUT. Have other tanks to do my treatments in.

[Wally.B]

65 Gal (Copper Treatment Tank) Cu Level Test after 1st Dose

I did First Copper Dose (1ml / 10.5 Gal) so 7.5 ml for the 75 Gallon Setup.
After 2nd Dose (tomorrow) the Final Level should be 0.5ml/L. (And that will be the starting point for Transfer Tank 2)




Current test 1st Dose shows 0.34mg/L (so I'm getting there)

I didn't expect this New Tank Journey to include all this work.
Construction was so much easier.

[Rakie]

Wally, if you treat the 110g it can only be used as a QT from here on out, the rock is also trash at that point. Copper stays in the silicone, that's why sometimes people sell tanks and specify it has or hasn't had meds (copper)

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[Wally.B]

Originally Posted by Rakie

Wally, if you treat the 110g it can only be used as a QT from here on out, the rock is also trash at that point. Copper stays in the silicone, that's why sometimes people sell tanks and specify it has or hasn't had meds (copper)

I don't plan on treating the new 110G tank.

However your point about Copper gong into Silicone may be related to other Copper Products (not Cupramine)

See the product info:

Cupramine™ effectively eradicates Oodinium, Cryptocaryon, Amyloodinium, Ichthyophthirius, and other ectoparasites of both freshwater and marine fish. It is superior to copper sulfate, chloride & citrate: it is non-acidic, less toxic to fish, remains in solution, and does not contaminate the filter bed. It is superior to chelates: it is fully charged (ionic), active at low concentrations, and is removable with carbon.

[tenurepro]

Originally Posted by Wally.B

TANK TRIM (NEW LOOK) Wall Matched Trim



What do you think?







I'm not removing, since I want to move on. (Was tough to line up and do filler work)



I just patched with plaster (drying) so needs one more Coat of paint.







Easy to Switch Colors (I may try WHITE-WHITE) Some Day....



Good enough for now....Bye Bye OAK (1990) look.



Much more to do.

Very nice


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[tenurepro]

Originally Posted by Wally.B

So everyone agrees. Including my Family likes the Modern looks better.



If you want a Laugh about 1990's



Here is a video of my SCUBA DIVES from 1990 Cozumel Mexico.

Me in my BUSHY 1990 Hair. Moustache (Wearing Yellow Swim Trunks).







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL5S8OZMZ4Q



We hired a Professsional Diver VideoPhotographer to join us on 4 Dives, and film.

Some interesting shots, that you may find Entertaining.

Morray Eel above Fed by our Dive Master (by mouth). Some other Surprises and a look at Mexico Island years ago.



Try not to Laugh too hard at me in 1990.



I only dug this ANCIENT VIDEO UP since TenurePro just got back from Cozumel and made a Amazing Video of his dives. He might post link here too.

Sure, why not! I don’t like to spam other people’s threads with my vids, but you request and I oblige
https://youtu.be/6svXVqNIxJM
(The babe content of my video is far inferior to yours ! &#129323


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[tenurepro]

Wally - you need to empty, wash and DRY your 65 gallon IF you plan on using it again for another transfer... the copper is not going to kill the ich that is encrusting in the tank, but if you empty and dry the tank for a good 24 to 48 h, you will kill any encrusted ich cyst via desiccation


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[Rakie]

Good, wally. I thought I read you say you didn't want to treat the 110, implying you might have to -- which made me worry lol

[Wally.B]

Originally Posted by tenurepro

Wally - you need to empty, wash and DRY your 65 gallon IF you plan on using it again for another transfer... the copper is not going to kill the ich that is encrusting in the tank, but if you empty and dry the tank for a good 24 to 48 h, you will kill any encrusted ich cyst via desiccation

As per the Transfer Diagram I posted above.



Copper Leaves 65Gal, and will move to 2 different 10 Gallon Transfer Tanks.

The 65 Will be shut down for good, and delivered to your place . Can't wait to get it out of the way.