Sump crashing causing bubbles IDEAS? loud how to make quite

winterpeg · 01/20/2018, 05:06 PM

My water is coming down from 2 1.5 inch lines

It has its final turn on a 90 Then goes in Sump bit it's Loud. And has lots of bubbles I sump.

Ideas to make it quite are welcome

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outy · 01/20/2018, 05:18 PM

Cut pipe so its 1" under water and add a 90 elbow. will help dissipate bubbles and make it more quiet

winterpeg · 01/20/2018, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by outy

Cut pipe so its 1" under water and add a 90 elbow. will help dissipate bubbles and make it more quiet

I tried a 45 and still bubbles but the other side had a T that was very bad idea

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Cheapreef · 01/20/2018, 05:31 PM

How much flow are you running through the 1.5" lines to need 2? If you can mod your setup to run a bean animal style overflow it is almost completely silent. This would depend on if you would have enough frlow through one of your 1.5" lines.

winterpeg · 01/20/2018, 10:55 PM

Here is the top

My BV are wide open ignore the image

The tank was designed this way from tank guy...

They place 2 just incase one get plugged ie fish

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Mysticalknight · 01/21/2018, 03:33 PM

Is that three drains? If so make it into a beananimal, if it’s only two do a herbie

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winterpeg · 01/21/2018, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysticalknight

Is that three drains? If so make it into a beananimal, if it’s only two do a herbie

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Far 2 are to sump
The middle is my return line
Left emerg line

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outy · 01/21/2018, 05:19 PM

Turn your pump down, you have way to much flow

Mysticalknight · 01/21/2018, 06:13 PM

Outy makes a good point. A lot of people only advocate having 3-5 times your total system volume going through your sump every hour. However if you want a lot of movement and silent too then on your picture what you need to do is install a bean animal drain setup. You have everything you need to do it. (From the back view as you took it). Either of the two left lines (right when viewing from the front) can be your full siphon and the other your trickle. Swap out one of the ball valves for a good quality gate valve on whichever you make the full siphon and leave the emergency as it is. And you can ditch the dursos. All you should need to buy is a gate valve and just two straight pipes (maybe a strainer for the full siphon line if you want)

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winterpeg · 01/21/2018, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysticalknight

Outy makes a good point. A lot of people only advocate having 3-5 times your total system volume going through your sump every hour. However if you want a lot of movement and silent too then on your picture what you need to do is install a bean animal drain setup. You have everything you need to do it. (From the back view as you took it). Either of the two left lines (right when viewing from the front) can be your full siphon and the other your trickle. Swap out one of the ball valves for a good quality gate valve on whichever you make the full siphon and leave the emergency as it is. And you can ditch the dursos. All you should need to buy is a gate valve and just two straight pipes (maybe a strainer for the full siphon line if you want)

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Thanks

I had to order these amazing BV from USA as Canada has nothing like this. We only have the cheep box store ones. If I plan this route must spend a bundle on one from us

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Mysticalknight · 01/21/2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by winterpeg

Thanks

I had to order these amazing BV from USA as Canada has nothing like this. We only have the cheep box store ones. If I plan this route must spend a bundle on one from us

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I’m assuming BRS ships to Canada

https://aquarium.bulkreefsupply.com/...w=gate%20valve

I got the slightly more expensive version, worth their weight in gold and for the standpipes all you will need is some straight pvc from one of your local stores. Leave the ball valves on everything else. Honestly you can leave it on the full siphon line and just add the gate valve. That way when you need to close it you don’t have to fine tune the drain again. Just when your running normally all the ball valves should be wide open on the three drains

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Mysticalknight · 01/21/2018, 06:59 PM

Also, looooooveeee that overflow box. Jealous of you lol. I remember watching a video where Sanjay joshi was actually using his external coast to coast overflow as an acclimation chamber for fish to help with agression

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winterpeg · 01/21/2018, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysticalknight

Also, looooooveeee that overflow box. Jealous of you lol. I remember watching a video where Sanjay joshi was actually using his external coast to coast overflow as an acclimation chamber for fish to help with agression

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Thanks my fish store designed my tank.

But we almost didn't get it in the house as I though I was 24 wide but doors was only like 30.5 and tank was just scraping by.

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Cheapreef · 01/21/2018, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by winterpeg

Thanks

I had to order these amazing BV from USA as Canada has nothing like this. We only have the cheep box store ones. If I plan this route must spend a bundle on one from us

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What? Did you look around to see before ordering? I'm in Canada as well, not much we can't get here in country besides colored PVC.
If you change to a bean animal or a herbie you should really run a gate valve on the main syphon line to fine tune correctly.

Link to the double union ball valves and the gate valves in Canada.

http://www.reefsupplies.ca/online-st...luded-1.5.html
http://www.reefsupplies.ca/online-store/Valves/

winterpeg · 01/21/2018, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheapreef

What? Did you look around to see before ordering? I'm in Canada as well, not much we can't get here in country besides colored PVC.
If you change to a bean animal or a herbie you should really run a gate valve on the main syphon line to fine tune correctly.

Link to the double union ball valves and the gate valves in Canada.

http://www.reefsupplies.ca/online-st...luded-1.5.html
http://www.reefsupplies.ca/online-store/Valves/

I'll try this first I'm new to big tanks

I looked allover Canada foe these BV and no one has them

Just the junk white and blue handles or red and they something similar to Cepex but nothing comes close

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Cheapreef · 01/21/2018, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by winterpeg

I'll try this first I'm new to big tanks

I looked allover Canada foe these BV and no one has them

Just the junk white and blue handles or red and they something similar to Cepex but nothing comes close

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First link I sent has the true double union ball valves, there almost exact to what you pictured on your setup. Few other places sell the same ones, Reef supplies happens to be my go to online store.
Gate valves are far better for tuning your main overflow line though.

winterpeg · 01/22/2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheapreef

First link I sent has the true double union ball valves, there almost exact to what you pictured on your setup. Few other places sell the same ones, Reef supplies happens to be my go to online store.
Gate valves are far better for tuning your main overflow line though.

Thanks

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mic209 · 01/22/2018, 04:51 PM

As mentioned already, switching to a bean animal style will get rid of the bubbles crashing/popping in your sump. But a gate valve isn’t entirely necessary and you’ll be able to tune the ball valve just fine if you are running a lot of flow. I have 1.5” full siphon drain with a ball valve and I was able to tune it just fine. A gate valve would make the periodic adjustments a lot easier and I will for sure go to a gate valve if I ever move the tank. Just keep
in mind, the more flow you run, the easier it will be to tune and silence with a ball valve.

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Lsufan · 01/22/2018, 07:47 PM

U are already setup to run a herbie. I would turn the 90 on the standpipe on the left up & use it as the emergency. How u have it right now the noice is coming from the standpipe on the left that should be the emergency. U have way to much flow going through it. Open the valve on the emergency all the way up. Once u get the syphon going then fine tune it to get the water level in the overflow box at the correct hieght. U don’t want much water if any at all going down the emergency. U are already setup for a syphon drain u just need to tune it. I wouldn’t setup a tank without a syphon drain & specifically a beananimal

EDIT: I just noticed that u look like u are setup to run a beananimal. Is the pipe all the way to the right in the pic the emergency drain? If so it looks like u just need to raise the entire standpipe on the left so it is 1/2” to 3/4” higher then the syphon standpipe. U only want a slight amount of water going down the standpipe all the way to the left, which is actually called the open channel on a beananimal

Vinny Kreyling · 01/23/2018, 09:18 AM

Just a heads up -- Check valves are 1 thing almost everyone agrees on,
They Will FAIL.
Better off removing it now.

winterpeg · 02/26/2018, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lsufan

U are already setup to run a herbie. I would turn the 90 on the standpipe on the left up & use it as the emergency. How u have it right now the noice is coming from the standpipe on the left that should be the emergency. U have way to much flow going through it. Open the valve on the emergency all the way up. Once u get the syphon going then fine tune it to get the water level in the overflow box at the correct hieght. U don’t want much water if any at all going down the emergency. U are already setup for a syphon drain u just need to tune it. I wouldn’t setup a tank without a syphon drain & specifically a beananimal

EDIT: I just noticed that u look like u are setup to run a beananimal. Is the pipe all the way to the right in the pic the emergency drain? If so it looks like u just need to raise the entire standpipe on the left so it is 1/2” to 3/4” higher then the syphon standpipe. U only want a slight amount of water going down the standpipe all the way to the left, which is actually called the open channel on a beananimal

my emergancy is on the far right.

My LFS made the tank and provided me how to set up.

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winterpeg · 02/26/2018, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny Kreyling

Just a heads up -- Check valves are 1 thing almost everyone agrees on,
They Will FAIL.
Better off removing it now.

so if it Will fail what do you use.

i don't mind the words of advise but just telling me to remove it with out a how to resolve the siphoning....

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tthouston · 02/27/2018, 09:38 AM

Didn't complete reading all the thread, but I have some opinion.
1- On the top, you need a cap covers for those overflow. Just drill a hole on the top of cap cover big enough for water drain, the water sound will reduce a lot.
2- On the bottom, the pipe should under the water for less sound.
3- Put the filter sock at drain pipe will reduce the micro bubbles, and put the black foam between the middle compartment and return compartment for final reduce micro bubbles.
4- No needs reduce the speed of pump return, I think that is for the last last option.

frankv702 · 02/27/2018, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winterpeg

so if it Will fail what do you use.

i don't mind the words of advise but just telling me to remove it with out a how to resolve the siphoning....

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Raise your return pipes enough to where when the pump is off, water doesn't flood your sump.. Definitely don't depend on a check valve to not flood, because they will fail and it seems to happen the one time you need it NOT to fail.

It looks like you've got two main drains on the left and an emergency drain on the far right... Set up a bean animal drain.. It'll be dead silent. Running a full siphon is the only way to go, especially with the drains you have.

I'd do what LSUfan said.. on one of the standpipes on the left, flip the 90 so the open portion is facing up and use that as one of the emergency drains, the other pipe with the 90 facing down, open your vale so that it has a full siphon and is just cresting over the emergency drain with the 90 faced up.

mcgyvr · 02/27/2018, 11:11 AM

winterpeg,
First..
Read this and look at the images,etc... then ask questions if you don't understand exactly whats going on there..
http://www.beananimal.com/projects/s...ow-system.aspx

You want to replicate that exactly..
You are "close" now but its not right hence why you are having noise issues..

What you want is
1-A full siphon channel which is the only drain that you need a valve on and the only one where you adjust the valve..
2-An open channel which is the one with the hole in the top and its valve (since you have one) should be fully open..
3-An emergency channel which you have on the far right and its valve if it has one should also be full open..
4-Both the full and open channel pipes should be 1/2" to no more than 1" below the water level in the sump.. They need to be under water though.

Once you get it setup there should be no noise at all (there is a bit of a break in period that could last a few minutes to a few hours or more initially..)

After you set it up.. post pictures again and let us know if by just adjusting the full channel valve you can get it to be quiet..
Note there should be zero bubbles coming out of the full channel and if you have bubbles coming out of the open channel you need to open the full channel valve some to allow more water to flow through it..

Get that setup then lets go from there...

01/20/2018, 05:06 PM	#1
winterpeg Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 189	Sump crashing causing bubbles IDEAS? loud how to make quite My water is coming down from 2 1.5 inch lines It has its final turn on a 90 Then goes in Sump bit it's Loud. And has lots of bubbles I sump. Ideas to make it quite are welcome Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk

01/21/2018, 06:13 PM	#9
Mysticalknight Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Kissimmee, FL Posts: 166	Sump crashing causing bubbles IDEAS? loud how to make quite Outy makes a good point. A lot of people only advocate having 3-5 times your total system volume going through your sump every hour. However if you want a lot of movement and silent too then on your picture what you need to do is install a bean animal drain setup. You have everything you need to do it. (From the back view as you took it). Either of the two left lines (right when viewing from the front) can be your full siphon and the other your trickle. Swap out one of the ball valves for a good quality gate valve on whichever you make the full siphon and leave the emergency as it is. And you can ditch the dursos. All you should need to buy is a gate valve and just two straight pipes (maybe a strainer for the full siphon line if you want) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01/22/2018, 07:47 PM	#19
Lsufan Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 1,410	U are already setup to run a herbie. I would turn the 90 on the standpipe on the left up & use it as the emergency. How u have it right now the noice is coming from the standpipe on the left that should be the emergency. U have way to much flow going through it. Open the valve on the emergency all the way up. Once u get the syphon going then fine tune it to get the water level in the overflow box at the correct hieght. U don’t want much water if any at all going down the emergency. U are already setup for a syphon drain u just need to tune it. I wouldn’t setup a tank without a syphon drain & specifically a beananimal EDIT: I just noticed that u look like u are setup to run a beananimal. Is the pipe all the way to the right in the pic the emergency drain? If so it looks like u just need to raise the entire standpipe on the left so it is 1/2” to 3/4” higher then the syphon standpipe. U only want a slight amount of water going down the standpipe all the way to the left, which is actually called the open channel on a beananimal Last edited by Lsufan; 01/22/2018 at 08:29 PM.

01/23/2018, 09:18 AM	#20
Vinny Kreyling Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miller Place, NY Posts: 7,206	Just a heads up -- Check valves are 1 thing almost everyone agrees on, They Will FAIL. Better off removing it now. __________________ 250 gallon mixed reef, 2 Reefbreeder's Photon V 2, Deepwater BLDC 12, DAS EX-3 Skimmer, MTC mini cal, 2-3/4" Sea Swirls, Aquacontroller & 6 Tunze pumps.

02/27/2018, 11:11 AM	#25
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	winterpeg, First.. Read this and look at the images,etc... then ask questions if you don't understand exactly whats going on there.. http://www.beananimal.com/projects/s...ow-system.aspx You want to replicate that exactly.. You are "close" now but its not right hence why you are having noise issues.. What you want is 1-A full siphon channel which is the only drain that you need a valve on and the only one where you adjust the valve.. 2-An open channel which is the one with the hole in the top and its valve (since you have one) should be fully open.. 3-An emergency channel which you have on the far right and its valve if it has one should also be full open.. 4-Both the full and open channel pipes should be 1/2" to no more than 1" below the water level in the sump.. They need to be under water though. Once you get it setup there should be no noise at all (there is a bit of a break in period that could last a few minutes to a few hours or more initially..) After you set it up.. post pictures again and let us know if by just adjusting the full channel valve you can get it to be quiet.. Note there should be zero bubbles coming out of the full channel and if you have bubbles coming out of the open channel you need to open the full channel valve some to allow more water to flow through it.. Get that setup then lets go from there... __________________ Who me? Last edited by mcgyvr; 02/27/2018 at 11:16 AM.

01/20/2018, 05:18 PM	#2
outy Moved On Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: auburn CA Posts: 4,021	Cut pipe so its 1" under water and add a 90 elbow. will help dissipate bubbles and make it more quiet

01/20/2018, 05:31 PM	#4
Cheapreef Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,076	How much flow are you running through the 1.5" lines to need 2? If you can mod your setup to run a bean animal style overflow it is almost completely silent. This would depend on if you would have enough frlow through one of your 1.5" lines.

01/20/2018, 10:55 PM	#5
winterpeg Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 189	Here is the top My BV are wide open ignore the image The tank was designed this way from tank guy... They place 2 just incase one get plugged ie fish Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk

01/21/2018, 03:33 PM	#6
Mysticalknight Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Kissimmee, FL Posts: 166	Is that three drains? If so make it into a beananimal, if it’s only two do a herbie Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01/21/2018, 05:19 PM	#8
outy Moved On Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: auburn CA Posts: 4,021	Turn your pump down, you have way to much flow

01/21/2018, 06:59 PM	#12
Mysticalknight Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Kissimmee, FL Posts: 166	Also, looooooveeee that overflow box. Jealous of you lol. I remember watching a video where Sanjay joshi was actually using his external coast to coast overflow as an acclimation chamber for fish to help with agression Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01/22/2018, 04:51 PM	#18
mic209 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Arroyo Grande, CA Posts: 1,338	As mentioned already, switching to a bean animal style will get rid of the bubbles crashing/popping in your sump. But a gate valve isn’t entirely necessary and you’ll be able to tune the ball valve just fine if you are running a lot of flow. I have 1.5” full siphon drain with a ball valve and I was able to tune it just fine. A gate valve would make the periodic adjustments a lot easier and I will for sure go to a gate valve if I ever move the tank. Just keep in mind, the more flow you run, the easier it will be to tune and silence with a ball valve. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02/27/2018, 09:38 AM	#23
tthouston Registered Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 128	Didn't complete reading all the thread, but I have some opinion. 1- On the top, you need a cap covers for those overflow. Just drill a hole on the top of cap cover big enough for water drain, the water sound will reduce a lot. 2- On the bottom, the pipe should under the water for less sound. 3- Put the filter sock at drain pipe will reduce the micro bubbles, and put the black foam between the middle compartment and return compartment for final reduce micro bubbles. 4- No needs reduce the speed of pump return, I think that is for the last last option.