RVANANO's 300 peninsula reef build - Page 38

fredro · 12/11/2015, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RVANANO

Thanks!!

I ordered new T5's. All ATI 60" 80w. 4- Actintic, 2- blue plus and 2- purple.

I have read your posts and I know how you seem to prefer the more natural look when it comes to lighting. I have always used ATi Bulbs and recently with the Korallen-Zucht 25% off sale, bought some KZ Coral Light II New Generation bulbs. They are a really crisp looking bulb that really complements any color combo. I would guess it's about a 14K spectrum, but it just has a look that I haven't found with any other bulb like it. I had heard many people praise the bulbs in the past and I can say that everything they've said is true. I used a single 36" KZ CL II NG bulb as a supplement to my Radions on my 48" 80g. Below is a picture. Figured I'd share my experience with these awesome bulbs!

RVANANO · 12/13/2015, 08:15 AM

Beautiful color!!

RVANANO · 12/28/2015, 09:57 AM

So we have a problem, Houston. The algae is back in full force. And it's growing everywhere including on the return nozzles. I have no idea why it's there, what it causing it or even what type it is. It's like long stringy snot. I would argue that the longest piece is 6 inches or so. I have done constant water changes, under fed, skimmed wet and of course always use 0 TDS RODI water.

Sugar Magnolia · 12/28/2015, 11:51 AM

Could it be dinoflagellates Brandon?

RVANANO · 12/28/2015, 12:14 PM

It very well could be after I found this. Our algae looks very similar to this only not as green.

I have been wanting to upgrade to MP60's for a while now and this is probably a good excuse. I get a lot of this algae on my sand bed lately so perhaps flow is to blame. I also need to get an ATS but I don't have any desire to build so probably need to buy one.

https://www.reefs.com/blog/2014/03/1...-ultra-algeax/

RVANANO · 12/28/2015, 12:40 PM

I talked with Morgan at ATS scrubber. He suggests a model 300 for my tank. With LED's that would put me at $1200. Which is near what two new MP60's would cost me. So my question is which would RC put on their tank first? I already have two MP40's but perhaps they aren't creating enough flow. I noticed this algae is growing heavily on the sand bed right below them.

d2mini · 12/28/2015, 01:20 PM

That looks like Dino's to me, Brandon.
Randy suggests trying to raise your pH.
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-11/rhf/index.php

Not so sure it would help much with the dinos but I do think your tank needs more flow. A cheaper way to see how it responds would be to pick up some jaebo powerheads. Ugly but powerful. If you like how the tank responds you can always sell them off and get mp40's later.

inktomi · 12/28/2015, 01:32 PM

I agree, that looks like dinos. My condolences...

At least your corals don't seem bothered by the dinos! There are some that will all but kill your SPS and such. When you do add your pumps, try wrapping the tank so it's pitch black inside for a couple days. That will shock the dinos in the tank, and maybe with the flow you'll get an upper hand.

Good luck!!!

RVANANO · 12/28/2015, 02:04 PM

That image isn't of my tank. That was an image I grabbed off google. But mine looks similar.

Mrs. Music · 12/28/2015, 02:06 PM

Brandon, that is awful. Good luck!

seamonster124 · 12/28/2015, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RVANANO

That image isn't of my tank. That was an image I grabbed off google. But mine looks similar.

Sorry that is no algae. I would hold off on buying anything for now.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...307000&page=96

RVANANO · 12/29/2015, 07:48 AM

Jeez, 96 pages... Is there a cliffsnotes? I don't have time to go through all that

insane · 12/29/2015, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RVANANO

Jeez, 96 pages... Is there a cliffsnotes? I don't have time to go through all that

Here you go:

Slimy bubbly stuff = bad

Solution: Get rid of it

hth

RVANANO · 12/29/2015, 12:53 PM

Yes. Thanks, Jesse

I will try and look through it this weekend but usually a 96 page thread on solving a problem is compiled of constant bickering with no real results.

inktomi · 12/29/2015, 01:15 PM

The problem is that there are many many different kinds of dinos, and it seems that depending on what specific type you have the "cure" is different... and add to that the part about it being almost impossible to really tell what type you have without a lab and there are lots of different theories on what to do.

All the different theories I've heard that I can remember...

- Raise PH and hope your type don't like it
- Induce a bacterial bloom in your tank to out compete them (dangerous!)
- Get rid of light for a couple days (but they'll usually come back)
- Mechanical removal coupled with more flow

fredro · 12/29/2015, 01:20 PM

Time for a blackout.

RVANANO · 12/29/2015, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by inktomi

The problem is that there are many many different kinds of dinos, and it seems that depending on what specific type you have the "cure" is different... and add to that the part about it being almost impossible to really tell what type you have without a lab and there are lots of different theories on what to do.

All the different theories I've heard that I can remember...

- Raise PH and hope your type don't like it
- Induce a bacterial bloom in your tank to out compete them (dangerous!)
- Get rid of light for a couple days (but they'll usually come back)
- Mechanical removal coupled with more flow

Very much what I expected from the thread. I would imagine that adding more flow and an ATS would greatly benefit my tank regardless. I was really just trying to determine which would be more beneficial to start with.

And yes, I plan on doing manual removal over the break this week and then a water change before a complete blackout.

Kellyh14 · 12/30/2015, 09:38 PM

Raise magnesium with Kent tech M, dose bacteria, and let it run its course

seamonster124 · 12/30/2015, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RVANANO

Jeez, 96 pages... Is there a cliffsnotes? I don't have time to go through all that

Do you have access to a microscope? Identifying it should be your first step. Should not be treated as algae

RVANANO · 12/31/2015, 08:19 AM

I can find someone with one. I did a lights out trial for 2.5 days without trash bags and much of it is gone. I also went ahead and ordered two MP60 quiet drives. I know I need more flow in the tank regardless so that is a good place to start. I still may add an ATS. Is it true that you don't need a skimmer with a really nice and efficient ATS?

reefgeezer · 12/31/2015, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RVANANO

I still may add an ATS.

Maybe wait to add an ATS until you see if you will need a more extensive lights out period to rid yourself of the Dinos. I had a Dino outbreak and it took a 5-day TOTAL blackout, and several more days of short lighting periods to get rid of them.

iced98lx · 12/31/2015, 09:30 AM

I've done a lot of reading and fully intend to add an ATS to my system when Floyd tells me his next gen setups are ready to buy but I do not believe that I would ever go skimmerless, even with a thriving ATS.

RVANANO · 01/06/2016, 01:42 PM

My new MP60 quiet drives powerheads arrived at the LFS today. Looking forward to picking them up and getting them mounted in the tank!!!!

iced98lx · 01/06/2016, 02:20 PM

Sweet!

Cparcaut · 01/06/2016, 02:25 PM

I like the wood surrounding the tank, it gives it a more marine, boat type of feel.

12/13/2015, 08:15 AM	#927
RVANANO SWAGON Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,404	Beautiful color!! __________________ Brandon "Your opinion is appreciated. Unless it's stupid" -Me Current Tank Info: "Nano" 300 peninsula reef in progress

12/28/2015, 09:57 AM	#928
RVANANO SWAGON Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,404	So we have a problem, Houston. The algae is back in full force. And it's growing everywhere including on the return nozzles. I have no idea why it's there, what it causing it or even what type it is. It's like long stringy snot. I would argue that the longest piece is 6 inches or so. I have done constant water changes, under fed, skimmed wet and of course always use 0 TDS RODI water. __________________ Brandon "Your opinion is appreciated. Unless it's stupid" -Me Current Tank Info: "Nano" 300 peninsula reef in progress

12/28/2015, 11:51 AM	#929
Sugar Magnolia Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern VA Posts: 17,691	Could it be dinoflagellates Brandon? __________________ Adrienne The only thing to fear is fear itself....and spiders.

12/28/2015, 12:14 PM	#930
RVANANO SWAGON Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,404	It very well could be after I found this. Our algae looks very similar to this only not as green. I have been wanting to upgrade to MP60's for a while now and this is probably a good excuse. I get a lot of this algae on my sand bed lately so perhaps flow is to blame. I also need to get an ATS but I don't have any desire to build so probably need to buy one. https://www.reefs.com/blog/2014/03/1...-ultra-algeax/ __________________ Brandon "Your opinion is appreciated. Unless it's stupid" -Me Current Tank Info: "Nano" 300 peninsula reef in progress Last edited by RVANANO; 12/28/2015 at 12:23 PM.

12/28/2015, 12:40 PM	#931
RVANANO SWAGON Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,404	I talked with Morgan at ATS scrubber. He suggests a model 300 for my tank. With LED's that would put me at $1200. Which is near what two new MP60's would cost me. So my question is which would RC put on their tank first? I already have two MP40's but perhaps they aren't creating enough flow. I noticed this algae is growing heavily on the sand bed right below them. __________________ Brandon "Your opinion is appreciated. Unless it's stupid" -Me Current Tank Info: "Nano" 300 peninsula reef in progress

12/28/2015, 01:20 PM	#932
d2mini Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 10,344	That looks like Dino's to me, Brandon. Randy suggests trying to raise your pH. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-11/rhf/index.php Not so sure it would help much with the dinos but I do think your tank needs more flow. A cheaper way to see how it responds would be to pick up some jaebo powerheads. Ugly but powerful. If you like how the tank responds you can always sell them off and get mp40's later. __________________ -dennis Elos Diamond 120xl \| Elos Stand \| Radion G4 Pros \| GHL Profilux Controller \| LifeReef Skimmer \| LifeReef Sump Photos taken with a Nikon D750 or Leica M.

12/28/2015, 01:32 PM	#933
inktomi Aviator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Posts: 960	I agree, that looks like dinos. My condolences... At least your corals don't seem bothered by the dinos! There are some that will all but kill your SPS and such. When you do add your pumps, try wrapping the tank so it's pitch black inside for a couple days. That will shock the dinos in the tank, and maybe with the flow you'll get an upper hand. Good luck!!!

12/28/2015, 02:04 PM	#934
RVANANO SWAGON Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,404	That image isn't of my tank. That was an image I grabbed off google. But mine looks similar. __________________ Brandon "Your opinion is appreciated. Unless it's stupid" -Me Current Tank Info: "Nano" 300 peninsula reef in progress

12/28/2015, 02:06 PM	#935
Mrs. Music Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sylvania, OH Posts: 636	Brandon, that is awful. Good luck!

12/29/2015, 07:48 AM	#937
RVANANO SWAGON Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,404	Jeez, 96 pages... Is there a cliffsnotes? I don't have time to go through all that __________________ Brandon "Your opinion is appreciated. Unless it's stupid" -Me Current Tank Info: "Nano" 300 peninsula reef in progress

12/29/2015, 12:53 PM	#939
RVANANO SWAGON Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,404	Yes. Thanks, Jesse I will try and look through it this weekend but usually a 96 page thread on solving a problem is compiled of constant bickering with no real results. __________________ Brandon "Your opinion is appreciated. Unless it's stupid" -Me Current Tank Info: "Nano" 300 peninsula reef in progress

12/29/2015, 01:15 PM	#940
inktomi Aviator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Posts: 960	The problem is that there are many many different kinds of dinos, and it seems that depending on what specific type you have the "cure" is different... and add to that the part about it being almost impossible to really tell what type you have without a lab and there are lots of different theories on what to do. All the different theories I've heard that I can remember... - Raise PH and hope your type don't like it - Induce a bacterial bloom in your tank to out compete them (dangerous!) - Get rid of light for a couple days (but they'll usually come back) - Mechanical removal coupled with more flow

12/29/2015, 01:20 PM	#941
fredro Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: East Coast Posts: 299	Time for a blackout. __________________ 80G RR DeepBlue Rimless, Profilux P4, GHL Doser 2, Royal Exclusiv RD3 50w DC, 4x Radion Pro, Vertex Omega 180i, 3x MP10wQD Current Tank Info: 80g Deep Blue RR

12/30/2015, 09:38 PM	#943
Kellyh14 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Quartz Hill, CA Posts: 71	Raise magnesium with Kent tech M, dose bacteria, and let it run its course

12/31/2015, 08:19 AM	#945
RVANANO SWAGON Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,404	I can find someone with one. I did a lights out trial for 2.5 days without trash bags and much of it is gone. I also went ahead and ordered two MP60 quiet drives. I know I need more flow in the tank regardless so that is a good place to start. I still may add an ATS. Is it true that you don't need a skimmer with a really nice and efficient ATS? __________________ Brandon "Your opinion is appreciated. Unless it's stupid" -Me Current Tank Info: "Nano" 300 peninsula reef in progress

12/31/2015, 09:30 AM	#947
iced98lx Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,258	I've done a lot of reading and fully intend to add an ATS to my system when Floyd tells me his next gen setups are ready to buy but I do not believe that I would ever go skimmerless, even with a thriving ATS.

01/06/2016, 01:42 PM	#948
RVANANO SWAGON Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,404	My new MP60 quiet drives powerheads arrived at the LFS today. Looking forward to picking them up and getting them mounted in the tank!!!! __________________ Brandon "Your opinion is appreciated. Unless it's stupid" -Me Current Tank Info: "Nano" 300 peninsula reef in progress

01/06/2016, 02:20 PM	#949
iced98lx Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,258	Sweet!

01/06/2016, 02:25 PM	#950
Cparcaut Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 50	I like the wood surrounding the tank, it gives it a more marine, boat type of feel.