The angel thread to end all angel threads: all owners of angelfish in reefs respond!! - Page 4

candeewolf · 08/13/2009, 02:03 PM

Flame Angel; 1 yr; Reef-Safe with LPS, shrooms, zoas; not reef-safe with SPS

Mark · 08/13/2009, 04:47 PM

Emperor Angel - 2 years: Somewhat reef safe. It would gorge on certain lps, such as Blasto's and Acan's.

Regal Angel - 2 years: Completely Reef Safe.

Potters Angel - 2 years: Completely Reef Safe.

ALH · 08/13/2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dooly
Male female pair bellus
Have lps/sps/clams/zoos

Within 1 week the female was chomping my zoos/palys. Sold them shortlythereafter

I had the same problem with my female bellus. My zoos were closed the entire time she was in the tank (I witnessed her picking at them)

gator2683 · 08/23/2009, 07:06 PM

1. c. argi/pygmy angel kept with zoas, softies, lps,sps. no clams
2. mostly reef safe...he doesnt cause any real harm
3. he has pecks a kenya tree and finger leather frequently while they were shedding, and a birdsnest and zoas occasionally. He has never caused any real visible damage or irritated a coral to death.

snorvich · 09/14/2009, 02:09 PM

2 Multicolor; one safe, one not safe with acanth
1 Joculator; safe with LPS and SPS
Pair Bellus; safe with LPS and SPS

robert55? · 09/14/2009, 03:42 PM

friend had 125 with mostly mushrooms and some other softy's one year they were juveniles 1queen 1 blue no problems at all.

now I have the queen in my 125 sps/lps/ clams and zoas heading towards 4 days no problems yet

Eibli angel 3 days was eating my large lps brain he was not reef safe at all.he went back to the store.

I would like to hear what people think caused their angels to be reef safe or not in their opinion. some examples would be getting them young to set feeding habits, putting them in last,or extra feeding and so on .....

LobsterOfJustice · 09/15/2009, 01:02 PM

all data entered
make sure to check the notes as well...

more or less what i'm trying to do is: if it eats one particular type of coral, like elegance, or anthelia, call it safe but include that in the notes. If it eats a major group of coral (SPS, LPS, soft), its classified as unsafe. Also see that angels living only with certain corals are noted in the notes section. Also nipping with no damage is considered safe.

mhosts · 09/16/2009, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LobsterOfJustice
all data entered
make sure to check the notes as well...

more or less what i'm trying to do is: if it eats one particular type of coral, like elegance, or anthelia, call it safe but include that in the notes. If it eats a major group of coral (SPS, LPS, soft), its classified as unsafe. Also see that angels living only with certain corals are noted in the notes section. Also nipping with no damage is considered safe.

Great Work! That is priceless data right there... Still doesn't give a certain answer on a specific species but gives you the odds on whether you are willing to gamble.

LobsterOfJustice · 09/16/2009, 09:17 AM

Right. The main thing it said to me is they're more often safe than not. When people ask about angels the common response is "it's a gamble, they're 50/50," but it turns out maybe we should be saying "it's a bit of a gamble, they're 80/20."

Korrine · 09/16/2009, 02:57 PM

This is a fabulous idea. I love it. Hope to add my data after awhile. Have to get one yet and then wait awhile to see how it does long term.

HndMafia · 09/16/2009, 11:07 PM

Just curious, how often are those of you with 'reef safe' angels feeding. I think if you keep them full then they'd be much less likely to damage/destroy coral, Just MHO

Phoenix19 · 09/17/2009, 05:18 PM

Angel Species: Centropyge argi - Cherub or Pygmy Angel
Tank: 20 gallon (high)
Reef-safeness: Yes
Corals: Mushrooms, zoanthids, sun coral, leather, gorgonian, and red tree hand sponge (not necessarily a coral but it didn't pick)
Feeding Schedule: Twice daily with frozen and pellet

SDguy · 09/17/2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HndMafia
Just curious, how often are those of you with 'reef safe' angels feeding. I think if you keep them full then they'd be much less likely to damage/destroy coral, Just MHO

I thought that too. I bought a pair of argi angels. The male was fine, the female really tore into my acros and gorgonians. I removed both.

I've had a pair of blackspot swallowtails in my tank for over 2.5 years now. They have never touched a coral, and I have pretty much one of everything

Only issue was the female learned to pull food out of suncorals, making them impossible to feed.

I feed the tank tons of food.

Elan L. · 09/17/2009, 05:52 PM

Flame Angel in 75g reef.

Reef-Safe - SPS, LPS, PALYTHOA, CLAMS, EVERYTHING

snorvich · 09/17/2009, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SDguy

I've had a pair of blackspot swallowtails in my tank for over 2.5 years now. They have never touched a coral, and I have pretty much one of everything Only issue was the female learned to pull food out of suncorals, making them impossible to feed.

Well you could get a tupperware cup of relevant size, punch holes, weight it down with a small rock and squirt food for the sun coral.

SDguy · 09/17/2009, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by snorvich
Well you could get a tupperware cup of relevant size, punch holes, weight it down with a small rock and squirt food for the sun coral.

Yeah, I could, but I just don't like suncorals that much for the trouble in a 31" tall tank

snorvich · 09/17/2009, 08:46 PM

Oh, 31 inches?!! I have 30 inches and can relate.

Korrine · 09/17/2009, 09:25 PM

I had a tank that was 26" tall. I'm 5 feet tall so that was a problem even with a step stool.

maddog2002 · 11/09/2009, 12:41 PM

Great Work! Add mine
135G Tank with LPS, SPS, Clams, zoas, Soft.
two angles In the Tank: Flame and Coral Beauty. Safe with all corals and clams. Have one for about 9 month. another 5 month.

Ev's Reef · 11/09/2009, 01:22 PM

75 gallon mixed reef tank, containing soft corals, LPS, and SPS corals. I had one flame angel, for over a year, never picked at any coral. I got lucky I guess.

mdntrdr · 11/09/2009, 01:27 PM

220G. mixed soft,LPS,SPS coral beauty for 5yrs.

Hasn't bothered anything except xenia, it makes me laugh, I hate those weeds!

200mfromocean · 12/02/2009, 07:43 AM

Flame angel in 30 G for a month was picking at acans but left everything else alone.

Goldflake keepers: I am looking to add a goldflake or a bellus to my 120 but I only have time to feed mysis and nori once a day. Yes I have a mixed reef with clams. Is it worth the risk? Thanks!

LobsterOfJustice · 12/15/2009, 10:16 AM

all data entered

It seems I can no longer attach excel files? xls or xlsx is coming up "invalid file"...

LobsterOfJustice · 12/17/2009, 09:43 AM

fixed

1DeR9_3Hy · 01/29/2010, 11:22 AM

1. What kind of angel
Centropyge loriculus

2. Wether it was reef-safe

sort of...

3. If it was not reef-safe, what did it eat?

It only liked sps with big fleshy polyps (like a "candle light" acropora), it would not look at anything else (i have it in with acans, blastos, pavona, monti caps, leathers, shrooms, rics, zoas/palys). Even then, i dont know if it was damaging the coral, it picked at one coral for a few days. When i removed the coral and put it into a different system it was fine, and i could not see any damage...?

08/13/2009, 04:47 PM	#77
Mark Premium Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 4,542	Emperor Angel - 2 years: Somewhat reef safe. It would gorge on certain lps, such as Blasto's and Acan's. Regal Angel - 2 years: Completely Reef Safe. Potters Angel - 2 years: Completely Reef Safe. __________________ -Mark TOTM March 2001 Current Tank Info: 225g stony reef, 38g softie

08/23/2009, 07:06 PM	#79
gator2683 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1	Re: The angel thread to end all angel threads: all owners of angelfish in reefs respond!! 1. c. argi/pygmy angel kept with zoas, softies, lps,sps. no clams 2. mostly reef safe...he doesnt cause any real harm 3. he has pecks a kenya tree and finger leather frequently while they were shedding, and a birdsnest and zoas occasionally. He has never caused any real visible damage or irritated a coral to death.

09/14/2009, 02:09 PM	#80
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	2 Multicolor; one safe, one not safe with acanth 1 Joculator; safe with LPS and SPS Pair Bellus; safe with LPS and SPS __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

09/16/2009, 09:17 AM	#84
LobsterOfJustice Recovering Detritophobe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 7,443	Right. The main thing it said to me is they're more often safe than not. When people ask about angels the common response is "it's a gamble, they're 50/50," but it turns out maybe we should be saying "it's a bit of a gamble, they're 80/20." __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles

09/16/2009, 02:57 PM	#85
Korrine You could get a ticket!! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 4,288 Blog Entries: 1	This is a fabulous idea. I love it. Hope to add my data after awhile. Have to get one yet and then wait awhile to see how it does long term. __________________ Try to keep in mind that we are all human...mistakes do happen! Be kinder than necessary because every one you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Current Tank Info: 40 breeder - started 9/2011 - platinum perc and sanjay's black photon clownfishes; sps and lps, and soft corals; 250w MH, 20 long sump w Bubble Magus Nac 3.5 skimmer 12g nano cube -serpent star, mini carpet anemones, w 6 sexy shrimp, 150w MH, maxi je

08/13/2009, 02:03 PM	#76
candeewolf Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 145	Flame Angel; 1 yr; Reef-Safe with LPS, shrooms, zoas; not reef-safe with SPS

09/14/2009, 03:42 PM	#81
robert55? Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: springhill Posts: 137	friend had 125 with mostly mushrooms and some other softy's one year they were juveniles 1queen 1 blue no problems at all. now I have the queen in my 125 sps/lps/ clams and zoas heading towards 4 days no problems yet Eibli angel 3 days was eating my large lps brain he was not reef safe at all.he went back to the store. I would like to hear what people think caused their angels to be reef safe or not in their opinion. some examples would be getting them young to set feeding habits, putting them in last,or extra feeding and so on .....

09/16/2009, 11:07 PM	#86
HndMafia Moved On Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 311	Just curious, how often are those of you with 'reef safe' angels feeding. I think if you keep them full then they'd be much less likely to damage/destroy coral, Just MHO

09/17/2009, 05:18 PM	#87
Phoenix19 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Beautiful East Texas Posts: 139	Angel Species: Centropyge argi - Cherub or Pygmy Angel Tank: 20 gallon (high) Reef-safeness: Yes Corals: Mushrooms, zoanthids, sun coral, leather, gorgonian, and red tree hand sponge (not necessarily a coral but it didn't pick) Feeding Schedule: Twice daily with frozen and pellet

09/17/2009, 05:52 PM	#89
Elan L. Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: miami beach Posts: 3,216	Flame Angel in 75g reef. Reef-Safe - SPS, LPS, PALYTHOA, CLAMS, EVERYTHING __________________ ♀ ⊗ ┏ ┓ ♒♒♒♒♒ Current Tank Info: 75g sps dominated reef some lps. 24x18x12 frag tank plumbed into 29g sump w/ Octopus Xtreme 160

09/17/2009, 08:46 PM	#92
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	Oh, 31 inches?!! I have 30 inches and can relate. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

09/17/2009, 09:25 PM	#93
Korrine You could get a ticket!! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 4,288 Blog Entries: 1	I had a tank that was 26" tall. I'm 5 feet tall so that was a problem even with a step stool. __________________ Try to keep in mind that we are all human...mistakes do happen! Be kinder than necessary because every one you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Current Tank Info: 40 breeder - started 9/2011 - platinum perc and sanjay's black photon clownfishes; sps and lps, and soft corals; 250w MH, 20 long sump w Bubble Magus Nac 3.5 skimmer 12g nano cube -serpent star, mini carpet anemones, w 6 sexy shrimp, 150w MH, maxi je

11/09/2009, 12:41 PM	#94
maddog2002 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: san jose Posts: 218	Great Work! Add mine 135G Tank with LPS, SPS, Clams, zoas, Soft. two angles In the Tank: Flame and Coral Beauty. Safe with all corals and clams. Have one for about 9 month. another 5 month.

11/09/2009, 01:22 PM	#95
Ev's Reef Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Iowa State University Posts: 203	75 gallon mixed reef tank, containing soft corals, LPS, and SPS corals. I had one flame angel, for over a year, never picked at any coral. I got lucky I guess. __________________ Current Tank: 75 Gallon, with 20 gallon refugium/sump Inhabitants: Maroon Clown, Blue Tang, Flame Angel, Yellow Tang, Pajama Cardinals, Six Line Wrasse, Mandarin Goby, SPS corals, LPS corals, and Soft corals

11/09/2009, 01:27 PM	#96
mdntrdr Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 550	220G. mixed soft,LPS,SPS coral beauty for 5yrs. Hasn't bothered anything except xenia, it makes me laugh, I hate those weeds!

12/02/2009, 07:43 AM	#97
200mfromocean Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Carrollton, TX Posts: 355	Flame angel in 30 G for a month was picking at acans but left everything else alone. Goldflake keepers: I am looking to add a goldflake or a bellus to my 120 but I only have time to feed mysis and nori once a day. Yes I have a mixed reef with clams. Is it worth the risk? Thanks! __________________ 120 G in wall mixed reef, 35 G 4' long prop, 35G sump/fuge, 19G RODI resevoir. Sink & few gadgets. Current Tank Info: 120G Mixed reef, started 10/15/2009

12/15/2009, 10:16 AM	#98
LobsterOfJustice Recovering Detritophobe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 7,443	all data entered It seems I can no longer attach excel files? xls or xlsx is coming up "invalid file"... __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles

01/29/2010, 11:22 AM	#100
1DeR9_3Hy Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,575	1. What kind of angel Centropyge loriculus 2. Wether it was reef-safe sort of... 3. If it was not reef-safe, what did it eat? It only liked sps with big fleshy polyps (like a "candle light" acropora), it would not look at anything else (i have it in with acans, blastos, pavona, monti caps, leathers, shrooms, rics, zoas/palys). Even then, i dont know if it was damaging the coral, it picked at one coral for a few days. When i removed the coral and put it into a different system it was fine, and i could not see any damage...?