Triton results with high tin

Nickeydundee · 11/25/2015, 05:47 PM

Has anyone successfully been able lowering tin levels? I read through Randy's poll about pvc and tin but there wasn't a strong conclusion. Wondering if there is something else besides metal clamps and pvc that could cause it???

bertoni · 11/25/2015, 08:06 PM

I don't know of any way to lower tin levels other than water changes, although I'd be cautious about interpreting data from Triton on trace elements. Their methodology might not produce accurate results:

http://packedhead.net/2015/triton-la...ater-standard/

Nickeydundee · 11/26/2015, 10:28 AM

I ran a magnet through my crushed coral bed and found some wire bristles from a stainless steel brush I used awhile back to get rid of some algae. Maybe it is from that lol could it be that simple.....

jason2459 · 12/03/2015, 10:19 AM

Interesting enough I just got back a result from Triton with high Tin. Which just about a month ago Triton registered 0

Nickeydundee · 12/03/2015, 05:01 PM

Some people are saying new pvc piping. Did you add any?

jason2459 · 12/03/2015, 05:32 PM

Not anytime recently.

jjoos99 · 09/13/2016, 06:40 PM

I just received my triton test results back and My tank is testing at 2.11ug/l of tin. My lithium levels are way high also. My sps corals have not been happy of late. Poor growth, decrease in p/e and have been experiencing some stn and occasional rtn. Several of our local club members have been experimenting with almost 100% water changes every 3 months or so. So far they have been having very good results.
Jeff

jason2459 · 09/13/2016, 07:43 PM

How high is way high Li levels. I've seen many great tanks with levels near 1000. I don't know what impacts it has but it seems extremely minimal and not enough to worry.

Tin you want to make sure you don't have metals in or around your tank. Even a piece of metal out of the tank can slowly drip moisture or flake off into the tank. Or some like the above posts have suggested pvc as a source. If so its another one I wouldn't worry to much about at those levels you stated if it's even accurate.

jjoos99 · 09/13/2016, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459

How high is way high Li levels. I've seen many great tanks with levels near 1000. I don't know what impacts it has but it seems extremely minimal and not enough to worry.

Tin you want to make sure you don't have metals in or around your tank. Even a piece of metal out of the tank can slowly drip moisture or flake off into the tank. Or some like the above posts have suggested pvc as a source. If so its another one I wouldn't worry to much about at those levels you stated if it's even accurate.

My lithium tested out at 392 with tritons recommended set point at 200. I guess maybe that isnt too bad. I cant think of any metals that might be leaching into the water and I dont have much pcv in the plumbing, what is there has been in use for years.
thanks
Jeff

jason2459 · 09/13/2016, 09:57 PM

That Lithium level is fairly common.

David Grigor · 09/14/2016, 07:29 AM

I had freshly mixed Instant Ocean tested and LI came back as 368ugl/l

To re-affirm Jason. It's pretty common for salt mixed to have LI levels like that so it's most likely from your salt and not much you can nor should you do about it. Extremely unlikely to be your coral issues.

I can't speak to the Tin issues. I have never seen a detectable level of tin from my tests nor have I researched toxicity levels of tin.

bertoni · 09/14/2016, 02:24 PM

I agree that our salt products seem to be fairly high in lithium. I'm not sure what ingredient in them is the problem, although I assume that it's a contaminant of some major ingredient. That might not be true, though.

jjoos99 · 09/14/2016, 03:33 PM

So how do I get rid of the tin that is in the system's water? I am assuming water changes?
thanks
jeff

jason2459 · 09/14/2016, 04:15 PM

It's hard to know exactly how accurate that number is with out more data points

bertoni · 09/14/2016, 04:16 PM

If the measurement is real, which might not be true, then water changes would reduce the level unless the salt mix itself is the source of the tin.

Buzz1329 · 09/18/2016, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bertoni

I don't know of any way to lower tin levels other than water changes, although I'd be cautious about interpreting data from Triton on trace elements. Their methodology might not produce accurate results:

http://packedhead.net/2015/triton-la...ater-standard/

Great article! Thanks.

bertoni · 10/17/2018, 06:54 PM

You're welcome.

csb123 · 10/21/2018, 04:00 PM

I used the hot tub/spa version of Metasorb, and it worked for me.

bertoni · 10/21/2018, 04:59 PM

MetaSorb probably would help. I should have suggested a PolyFilter, although I'm not sure that they remove tin. I think that if the source is removed, water changes or even just time should remove the tin. It should precipitate over time.

11/25/2015, 05:47 PM	#1
Nickeydundee Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 21	Triton results with high tin Has anyone successfully been able lowering tin levels? I read through Randy's poll about pvc and tin but there wasn't a strong conclusion. Wondering if there is something else besides metal clamps and pvc that could cause it???

11/25/2015, 08:06 PM	#2
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	I don't know of any way to lower tin levels other than water changes, although I'd be cautious about interpreting data from Triton on trace elements. Their methodology might not produce accurate results: http://packedhead.net/2015/triton-la...ater-standard/ __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

12/03/2015, 10:19 AM	#4
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Interesting enough I just got back a result from Triton with high Tin. Which just about a month ago Triton registered 0 __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

12/03/2015, 05:32 PM	#6
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Not anytime recently. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/13/2016, 07:43 PM	#8
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	How high is way high Li levels. I've seen many great tanks with levels near 1000. I don't know what impacts it has but it seems extremely minimal and not enough to worry. Tin you want to make sure you don't have metals in or around your tank. Even a piece of metal out of the tank can slowly drip moisture or flake off into the tank. Or some like the above posts have suggested pvc as a source. If so its another one I wouldn't worry to much about at those levels you stated if it's even accurate. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

11/26/2015, 10:28 AM	#3
Nickeydundee Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 21	I ran a magnet through my crushed coral bed and found some wire bristles from a stainless steel brush I used awhile back to get rid of some algae. Maybe it is from that lol could it be that simple.....

12/03/2015, 05:01 PM	#5
Nickeydundee Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 21	Some people are saying new pvc piping. Did you add any?

09/13/2016, 06:40 PM	#7
jjoos99 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 796	I just received my triton test results back and My tank is testing at 2.11ug/l of tin. My lithium levels are way high also. My sps corals have not been happy of late. Poor growth, decrease in p/e and have been experiencing some stn and occasional rtn. Several of our local club members have been experimenting with almost 100% water changes every 3 months or so. So far they have been having very good results. Jeff

09/13/2016, 09:57 PM	#10
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	That Lithium level is fairly common. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/14/2016, 07:29 AM	#11
David Grigor Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Brooklyn Center, MN USA Posts: 4,951	I had freshly mixed Instant Ocean tested and LI came back as 368ugl/l To re-affirm Jason. It's pretty common for salt mixed to have LI levels like that so it's most likely from your salt and not much you can nor should you do about it. Extremely unlikely to be your coral issues. I can't speak to the Tin issues. I have never seen a detectable level of tin from my tests nor have I researched toxicity levels of tin. __________________ Neptune Systems 2016 Marine Aquarium Hobbyist of the Year Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef show tank Last edited by David Grigor; 09/14/2016 at 07:34 AM.

09/14/2016, 02:24 PM	#12
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	I agree that our salt products seem to be fairly high in lithium. I'm not sure what ingredient in them is the problem, although I assume that it's a contaminant of some major ingredient. That might not be true, though. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

09/14/2016, 03:33 PM	#13
jjoos99 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 796	So how do I get rid of the tin that is in the system's water? I am assuming water changes? thanks jeff

09/14/2016, 04:15 PM	#14
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	It's hard to know exactly how accurate that number is with out more data points __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

09/14/2016, 04:16 PM	#15
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	If the measurement is real, which might not be true, then water changes would reduce the level unless the salt mix itself is the source of the tin. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

10/17/2018, 06:54 PM	#17
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	You're welcome. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

10/21/2018, 04:00 PM	#18
csb123 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: minnesota Posts: 104	I used the hot tub/spa version of Metasorb, and it worked for me.

10/21/2018, 04:59 PM	#19
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	MetaSorb probably would help. I should have suggested a PolyFilter, although I'm not sure that they remove tin. I think that if the source is removed, water changes or even just time should remove the tin. It should precipitate over time. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni