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01/26/2016, 12:28 PM | #2801 |
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Maybe the best agent against bad dinos is good dinos?
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01/26/2016, 12:57 PM | #2803 |
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We use dinos as a common population, but just like there's good bacteria and bad bacteria, the same can apply to dinos. Zooxanthelle are dinos and they're helpful and symbiotic.
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01/26/2016, 12:58 PM | #2804 |
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Maybe instead of looking at the osteo plaguing a sick system, we should look at what's plentiful in a healthy system.
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01/26/2016, 03:50 PM | #2805 |
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Has anybody had success by getting rid of sandbed? They are all over my sandbed.
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01/26/2016, 03:53 PM | #2806 |
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For those that start over. What did you do with corals? I have sps and I know if I get rid of the sps, I wont be able to add it back to tank for another 6-8 months until take is mature enough again. This is the only thing holding me back from starting over. I am at the last straw though. I am giving up. I might even try dino x at this point. Honestly
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01/26/2016, 04:15 PM | #2807 |
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mine aren't horrid or actively killing coral at this point but I am going to attempt to introduce additional bacteria via bacteria in a bottle of various kinds as well as dosing with phyto. We'll see where that gets me.
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I'm going to use Dr. Tim's one and only & Eco-Balance as well as MB7 and Bio-Spira. They're likely all mixes of the same 2-3 strains but I'm willing to try them all to see. I'm going to add some air stones overnight to keep the oxygen levels up and dose slightly above suggested dosing.
I'll probably wait and add the phyto after I'm done doing the bacteria. I started with all dry rock, and it's my thought that I have a very limited number of types. I'm not a biologist though, so it's just as much a shot in the dark as other attempts. After this and phyto I'll regroup if no change in 3 months and look at an extended blackout. |
01/26/2016, 04:40 PM | #2810 |
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I tried dr tims one and only already. And ordering these bacteria's online may not be such a good idea since they will come in a box without proper packaging and endure very cold weather which may kill the bacterias. Just my opinion.
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01/26/2016, 04:52 PM | #2811 |
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it's not a good idea to reintroduce infected fish/corals/sand/water into a restarted tank anyway...if you're going to restart, you restart everything...dinos can hitchhike on anything including fish gills and inside corals
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01/26/2016, 05:11 PM | #2812 |
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Dinos are everywhere. It's like the common cold.?you only catch it if your immune system is depressed.
I'd recommend selling or giving them to someone with a mature stable tank. I've often thought that aquarium stores should run pet-hotel tanks with individual UV and you can pay for the accommodations until you're ready. Or sell them if it's going to take a while.
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Since I didn't explicitly state it, I'll also be continuing the manual removal that has kept them mostly at bay as well as the water changes that likely are fueling them. I'm not willing to give up coral growth I'm seeing just yet.
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I've seen a lot of other local reefers lately getting them and it's spreading. They don't just come from nowhere. All tanks may have some form of dinos such as zooxanthelle but not all tanks have every kind like ostreopsis and amphidium. |
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01/26/2016, 07:13 PM | #2820 |
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3 days in, Operation: Grow Algae has so far, not shown any signs of increasing algae, but the dinos have intensified very noticeably. Still no harmful livestock effects that I can see, so that's good.
The patch at the front of the tank with the species I haven't ID yet has gotten thick enough I could siphon a hunk of pure dinos. Here's some shots on 400x I took a series of this view shifting focal plane slightly on each shot, Google photos stitched it into an animation. Can see it here https://goo.gl/photos/qS1dc3C3uzCpbmvZ8 I think I let the sample dry, then added water back, seemed to separate the armor off the dinos. I'll stop spamming thread with pics for ID, since this is about the best I can do. Working my way through this link http://botany.si.edu/references/dinoflag/ to see what I come up with. |
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I can only tell you what I did. I do have a BS in Microbiology and used that knowledge to try and approach this in a natural way. A newbie to reef aquariums, however,and my first bout of Dinos.
1. I decreased my photoperiod to 5 hours a day. Less light, less growth 2. Started running GFO, Phosguard, and Carbon, changing out Phosguard and GFO once a week Trying to get phosphates at 0 and keep them there 3. Added a Cermedia Marine Pure 8x8x4 block to the sump Supposed to help get a larger population of nitrate reducing bacteria 4. Aggressive wet skimming. Replaced the skimmate with fresh saltwater. Only water changes I did Trying to deplete any other nutrients the dinos may be living on. 5. Siphoning the dinos into a filter sock in the sump every day. Getting rid of as much of the population as I can while exporting any other nutrients they need to grow 6. Used Coral Snow mixed with Zeobak every morning before lights came on every day. Coral Snow is supposed to adsorb organics from the water column and Zeobak are another bacteria source. 7. Dosed Probidio biodigest (bacteria) and bioptim once every week More bacteria to compete with the dino 8. Phytoplankton and Pods from Algaebarn. More competition Much of what I did is also recommended as a treatment for Cyano. After a month, lights are back up, no dinos and only lost half of a birdsnest coral to the dinos. We'll see.
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hello. does anybody have a link to a resource for ID of the dinoflagellates? i saw a link earlier this page i will check that out but if there's any other resource please share.
what do you guys think of these bad boys? my dino outbreak started from after i cleaned my sump and reduced phos to 0 and nitrates very fast and then dumping shot of vodka every night. now i am feed much more, adding H2O2, phyto, and will culture copepods in the hopes of more competition and hostility environemtn for this annoying organisms. |
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