Bartlett’s Anthias

bif24701 · 02/21/2018, 06:57 PM

What would be the ideal number to place into a 180?

I want to purchase at least 5, would there be any issues with that?

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ca1ore · 02/21/2018, 10:29 PM

They don't always get much love from anthias enthusiasts, but I like them a lot. They are chippy and tend to mostly all turn male, but as long as you have some bigger fish to distract them and feed a lot they should persist. I have had some issue with them lately having body ulcerations so QT is recommended. Five in a 180 is good as long as it's not crowded with too much rock.

bif24701 · 02/21/2018, 11:56 PM

I really like the color of them and had several in a 120 years ago that did very well.

Are are more popular Anthias? Or more recommended?

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sethd12 · 02/22/2018, 10:49 AM

It is one of my favorite anthias as well. Haven't had any in a few years, but will be ordering several in a few weeks for my 500 gallon.

Mknuwet · 02/22/2018, 07:20 PM

I’ll be putting probably 30-40 in my 1000g at some point. IMO they do better crowded up. I’ve had 50 in a 55g qt tank/200g qt system and not a single one died. They all ate and did great while in there.

bif24701 · 02/22/2018, 07:54 PM

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I’ll be putting probably 30-40 in my 1000g at some point. IMO they do better crowded up. I’ve had 50 in a 55g qt tank/200g qt system and not a single one died. They all ate and did great while in there.

My past experience and what I have read they are the easiest to acclimate to a reef aquarium. If I get smaller ones maybe 10 at a time they only one should become a male and the other female.

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shred5 · 02/22/2018, 08:02 PM

They almost always turn all male. They tend to like to kill each other off once they do till there is one unless in a large tank. They also seem to like to fight males of other species of anthias some times..
They are hardy almost as much as lyretails.

ca1ore · 02/22/2018, 10:02 PM

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My past experience and what I have read they are the easiest to acclimate to a reef aquarium. If I get smaller ones maybe 10 at a time they only one should become a male and the other female.

Not with Bartletts. Most vendors don't even give you the choice to buy males or females. The last batch I ordered were all sub males.

bif24701 · 02/22/2018, 11:39 PM

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Not with Bartletts. Most vendors don't even give you the choice to buy males or females. The last batch I ordered were all sub males.

I assumed if they are small that they would still be young enough that one would become the dominant and the others would become female. Otherwise it would be impossible to do this would t?

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Big E · 02/23/2018, 06:08 AM

I ordered a group 5 Bartletts years ago and due to availability was only sent two. One male and female. They were perfect and if I get them again I'll just get a pair.

The male was very gentle with the female and they constantly interacted. They grouped up with my other dither fish and were fine without a group of other anthias.

This avoids problems with having all males and bullying/killing off each other.

shred5 · 02/23/2018, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ca1ore

Not with Bartletts. Most vendors don't even give you the choice to buy males or females. The last batch I ordered were all sub males.

agreed and sometimes it is hard to tell.

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Originally Posted by bif24701

I assumed if they are small that they would still be young enough that one would become the dominant and the others would become female. Otherwise it would be impossible to do this would t?

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Even if you were lucky enough to do it they usually still turn male. Why this is such a problem with bartletts I do no know, this never happened with any other anthias.. I know all anthias are fighting to be male but with others they do not unless the male dies. If you search this is does not happen to a few people this is common.

Lyretails females like to kill each others off to become next inline.

Seems the hardiest of the breed are harder to keep.

That is why I prefer dispar or ignitus anthias. They are peaceful, look out for each other and are not to hard to keep and I have had males live together just fine. Then what I do is add one lyretail and one bartlett.

ca1ore · 02/23/2018, 09:31 AM

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Why this is such a problem with bartletts I do no know, this never happened with any other anthias.

Most of my resplendents turned male, or sub-male. All the other species I've kept stuck with just one male. They do turn fast though. My big bimac male died recently (likely of old age) and it took the biggest female less than two weeks to make the change.

shred5 · 02/23/2018, 10:01 AM

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Most of my resplendents turned male, or sub-male. All the other species I've kept stuck with just one male. They do turn fast though. My big bimac male died recently (likely of old age) and it took the biggest female less than two weeks to make the change.

Never kept them, one of the few I have not.. Thought I might try them next, they are beautiful. Do they also fight or peaceful?

Thinking of dong mainly Wrasses and a huge harem of different anthias. Easier to keep ones anyway.

also have you tried Larry's fish eggs? Anthias go nuts over them.

ca1ore · 02/23/2018, 10:07 AM

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Never kept them, one of the few I have not.. Thought I might try them next, they are beautiful. Do they also fight or peaceful?

Quite peaceful, not purple queen twitchy but still quite twitchy. They also don't do well in a tank with a lot of larger aggressive fish like tangs. I started out with seven and am now down to three largest (2-2 1/2"), though that trio have been stable for over a year now ..... all three are males

shred5 · 02/23/2018, 10:37 AM

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Quite peaceful, not purple queen twitchy but still quite twitchy. They also don't do well in a tank with a lot of larger aggressive fish like tangs. I started out with seven and am now down to three largest (2-2 1/2"), though that trio have been stable for over a year now ..... all three are males

Queens and Tukas are way to much work and their survival rate is to low for me to keep. i just do not have the time for it anymore.

I bet we are getting close to keeping these fish with the better foods on the market and some of the ingenious ways people are able to feed frozen and live food 24 hrs a day to their tank now for nps tanks.
mounting refrigerators under the tank etc.

mfaso24 · 02/23/2018, 11:06 AM

I have 4 Bartlett’s as well as 2 caryberri in a 75 gallon with no issues.

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shred5 · 02/23/2018, 11:12 AM

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I have 4 Bartlett’s as well as 2 caryberri in a 75 gallon with no issues.

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When I see post like this all i can think of is the word yet!

mfaso24 · 02/23/2018, 11:14 AM

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When I see post like this all i can think of is the word yet!

Haha that’s fair. But they’ve all been together for some time so I think I’m okay.

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mfaso24 · 02/23/2018, 11:17 AM

Also fwiw, I had 3 females and 1 male. And 1 male caryberri. I get “slight bickering” here are there but nothing substantial.......yet

. That’s for you shred!

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bif24701 · 02/23/2018, 02:39 PM

Wow, got lucky and my LFS had a male and 3 female lyrtails! Nice luck. Took them home.

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shred5 · 02/23/2018, 03:16 PM

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Wow, got lucky and my LFS had a male and 3 female lyrtails! Nice luck. Took them home.

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You took home the bartletts or lyretails?

bif24701 · 02/23/2018, 04:03 PM

Lyretails

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bif24701 · 02/23/2018, 09:01 PM

Is it common that blue-green chromis school along with them? This is great.

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ca1ore · 02/23/2018, 11:34 PM

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Queens and Tukas are way to much work and their survival rate is to low for me to keep. i just do not have the time for it anymore.

I bet we are getting close to keeping these fish with the better foods on the market and some of the ingenious ways people are able to feed frozen and live food 24 hrs a day to their tank now for nps tanks.
mounting refrigerators under the tank etc.

I kept five tuka alive for almost 18 months exactly as you say .... in my NPS tank along with a few blueberry seafans. Required herculean efforts though. No patience for that again.

davocean · 02/24/2018, 09:53 AM

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Is it common that blue-green chromis school along with them? This is great.

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Pretty much, yes, I've had several groupings over the years of both and they always seem to group together, and it's an awesome mix of color.

Lyretails are one of my favorite.

Agree w/ others on bartletts, while once in a while I see exceptions, most of the time they turn male and dwindle in numbers.

02/21/2018, 06:57 PM	#1
bif24701 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Florida, FWB Posts: 3,389	Bartlett’s Anthias What would be the ideal number to place into a 180? I want to purchase at least 5, would there be any issues with that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 180 Mixed Reef SRO-5000 Skimmer Neptune APEX Gold Kessil AP700/ MP60+6105 Kalk+2 part/ Cheato Fuge Current Tank Info: 180 SPS Dominant

02/21/2018, 10:29 PM	#2
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	They don't always get much love from anthias enthusiasts, but I like them a lot. They are chippy and tend to mostly all turn male, but as long as you have some bigger fish to distract them and feed a lot they should persist. I have had some issue with them lately having body ulcerations so QT is recommended. Five in a 180 is good as long as it's not crowded with too much rock. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

02/21/2018, 11:56 PM	#3
bif24701 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Florida, FWB Posts: 3,389	I really like the color of them and had several in a 120 years ago that did very well. Are are more popular Anthias? Or more recommended? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 180 Mixed Reef SRO-5000 Skimmer Neptune APEX Gold Kessil AP700/ MP60+6105 Kalk+2 part/ Cheato Fuge Current Tank Info: 180 SPS Dominant

02/22/2018, 10:49 AM	#4
sethd12 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 941	It is one of my favorite anthias as well. Haven't had any in a few years, but will be ordering several in a few weeks for my 500 gallon. __________________ -500 gallon mixed reef

02/22/2018, 08:02 PM	#7
shred5 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Waukesha , WI Posts: 4,998	They almost always turn all male. They tend to like to kill each other off once they do till there is one unless in a large tank. They also seem to like to fight males of other species of anthias some times.. They are hardy almost as much as lyretails. __________________ David Polzin

02/22/2018, 07:20 PM	#5
Mknuwet Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 88	I’ll be putting probably 30-40 in my 1000g at some point. IMO they do better crowded up. I’ve had 50 in a 55g qt tank/200g qt system and not a single one died. They all ate and did great while in there.

02/23/2018, 06:08 AM	#10
Big E Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Euclid, OH Posts: 4,281	I ordered a group 5 Bartletts years ago and due to availability was only sent two. One male and female. They were perfect and if I get them again I'll just get a pair. The male was very gentle with the female and they constantly interacted. They grouped up with my other dither fish and were fine without a group of other anthias. This avoids problems with having all males and bullying/killing off each other. __________________ 80g Rimless Acropora System reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2197142&page=31 Ed

02/23/2018, 11:06 AM	#16
mfaso24 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 800	I have 4 Bartlett’s as well as 2 caryberri in a 75 gallon with no issues. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02/23/2018, 11:17 AM	#19
mfaso24 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 800	Also fwiw, I had 3 females and 1 male. And 1 male caryberri. I get “slight bickering” here are there but nothing substantial.......yet . That’s for you shred! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02/23/2018, 02:39 PM	#20
bif24701 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Florida, FWB Posts: 3,389	Wow, got lucky and my LFS had a male and 3 female lyrtails! Nice luck. Took them home. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 180 Mixed Reef SRO-5000 Skimmer Neptune APEX Gold Kessil AP700/ MP60+6105 Kalk+2 part/ Cheato Fuge Current Tank Info: 180 SPS Dominant

02/23/2018, 04:03 PM	#22
bif24701 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Florida, FWB Posts: 3,389	Lyretails Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 180 Mixed Reef SRO-5000 Skimmer Neptune APEX Gold Kessil AP700/ MP60+6105 Kalk+2 part/ Cheato Fuge Current Tank Info: 180 SPS Dominant

02/23/2018, 09:01 PM	#23
bif24701 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Florida, FWB Posts: 3,389	Is it common that blue-green chromis school along with them? This is great. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 180 Mixed Reef SRO-5000 Skimmer Neptune APEX Gold Kessil AP700/ MP60+6105 Kalk+2 part/ Cheato Fuge Current Tank Info: 180 SPS Dominant