528l Only Sps

[Member No. 1]

Originally Posted by Icefire

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Like I said, if this tank is not from an Aquaforest employee, thumbs up!

Edit: There is a Grzegorz on Aquaforest website which is Poland sell rep...

If this is in fact true, then I'm with you. Not fair to come on here claiming all sorts of wonderful things if you in fact sell the products.
Grzegorz, do you work for Aquaforest?

[Egon24]

Hello Everyone.
I am work with Aquaforest but I am showing You my own, private tank.. I am living over 100miles away from Nowy Sącz and I am not using AF specialist equipment or something…
I am using all products what You Can buy in Your local stores and I am showing You how I am keeping my tank with using their Products.
The same effect You can have in Your tanks….

[SCWA Reef]

Tank looks amazing no questioning that, there is a great diversity of colour and the space is filled out really nicely. All the corals have a slight pastel tone to them the same as many of the korallen zucht tanks. Is this intentional? As many simpler run systems i have seen acheive more vivid colours without 3 drops of this magic potion, 4 drops of that and so on

[M007]

Originally Posted by Member No. 1

If this is in fact true, then I'm with you. Not fair to come on here claiming all sorts of wonderful things if you in fact sell the products.
Grzegorz, do you work for Aquaforest?

So if I sell say Porsche and I'm on a car forum showing off my Porsche I'm a bad guy? C'mon a little harsh no? As long as he's not bashing someone else's product it's A-Okay with me. Nice tank Grzegorz, thanks for sharing

[jacek_marine]

Originally Posted by Icefire

There was a thread with an amazing tank from Poland and it was running Aquaforest and all.

The thing is it was Aquaforest's tank...

It's like if Redsea employee were posting thread of Redsea's tank only saying they were using RedSea Colors ABCD

It's marketing, those company have Labs equipement, employees and money running those tank and it's not fair to have people reading and buying product hoping for miracles.

Like I said, if this tank is not from an Aquaforest employee, thumbs up!

Edit: There is a Grzegorz on Aquaforest website which is Poland sell rep...

This is very true, I totally agree with this.

[Icefire]

Originally Posted by M007

So if I sell say Porsche and I'm on a car forum showing off my Porsche I'm a bad guy? C'mon a little harsh no? As long as he's not bashing someone else's product it's A-Okay with me. Nice tank Grzegorz, thanks for sharing

Porsche's paid car, specially tuned by porsche eng. etc etc

[mhucasey]

Originally Posted by M007

So if I sell say Porsche and I'm on a car forum showing off my Porsche I'm a bad guy? C'mon a little harsh no? As long as he's not bashing someone else's product it's A-Okay with me. Nice tank Grzegorz, thanks for sharing

I agree, and notice that the anti-Aquaforest backlash is beginning.

If you think that because Grzegorz works for Aquaforest he shouldn't post about his tank, I just don't get you. Anyone who has experience with SPS can see that his corals are healthy and vibrant. He doesn't get "Magic Corals" because he works for a company, and he is telling and showing you how the system is set up and run. How is that deceptive? I'm using their products BTW and from my experience they are pretty darn good!

Fellow RC members, if you don't like the colors of the corals, don't use the system that seems to be producing colors like these in tank after tank. The Aquaforest products aren't expensive compared to similar systems, so people can't criticize that aspect of the system like they could with Zeovit. They list their ingredients too, so they can't slam them for having "secret potions" either. It's a pretty straightforward system that may be "too complicated" for some people here. Different strokes people - no one is going to force you to use Aquaforest.

[mhucasey]

Originally Posted by Icefire

Porsche's paid car, specially tuned by porsche eng. etc etc

Why would that matter? If he said he was able to do the 1/4 mile in a time that was faster than normal, maybe. Do you think AquaForest is "Specially Tuning" their employee's tanks? As soon as you can tell me how that can be done I'm doing it to my tank!

[MichaelW]

I just like seeing pictures of exceptionally beatuful acros, which Grzegorz clearly has. And then finding out how he keeps them so beautiful.
I see the point of it as marketing... But is that a bad thing? It's still a beautiful tank and you don't just get an automatically beautiful tank because you work for an aquarium product company. The only thing you may get is the products for much cheaper (if not free)

[plyle02]

Great job Grzegorz and to AF!!!

[Egon24]

Here's my short pictorial history ...

So i was beginning 21.01.2014



complete absence of knowledge , first tank 53 gal

My second tank 29.06.2014 95 gal



23.01.2015


Fabruary started to use the products AF


Corals began to grow faster and be stained with




27.06.2015

[mhucasey]

Originally Posted by Egon24

Here's my short pictorial history ...

So i was beginning 21.01.2014



complete absence of knowledge , first tank 53 gal

My second tank 29.06.2014 95 gal



23.01.2015


Fabruary started to use the products AF


Corals began to grow faster and be stained with




27.06.2015

I love seeing the progression of pictures of the tank!

[gus6464]

You don't have to use the aquaforest products that turn corals pastel. In fact right on the bottle of coral e and on the website it says that dosing it slows production of zooxanthelae which gives the coral pastel look. You don't have to use it. I am using coral a and coral v and nothing is turning pastel on mine. In fact all their products are pretty straightforward and they label them as so unlike kz which is mostly labeled as magic. They are also considerably cheaper as well.

[SpSChief85]

Ok my question is where in the us can we buy aqua forest products? Thanks in advance and amazing tank greg

[reefmutt]

Beautiful transformation, Grzegorz, your tank was looking pretty fantastic back in 2014, you obviously learned a lot and became successful before transitioning to AF products.

I thought the US distributor is in Florida..

I don't believe this tank has a team of specialists who come and test the water and perform special treatments to make it look so good.
I think it's because of the use of the AF product line.. Promotional? I guess so.. But there are no secrets, here.... I don't think..
Is it not allowed for somebody who works for an aquarium products company to show off their tank?
This would not be the only tank on the boards in this situation...

[mhucasey]

Originally Posted by SpSChief85

Ok my question is where in the us can we buy aqua forest products? Thanks in advance and amazing tank greg

Salty Supply or Amazon

[mhucasey]

Originally Posted by reefmutt

Beautiful transformation, Grzegorz, your tank was looking pretty fantastic back in 2014, you obviously learned a lot and became successful before transitioning to AF products.

I thought the US distributor is in Florida..

I don't believe this tank has a team of specialists who come and test the water and perform special treatments to make it look so good.
I think it's because of the use of the AF product line.. Promotional? I guess so.. But there are no secrets, here.... I don't think..
Is it not allowed for somebody who works for an aquarium products company to show off their tank?
This would not be the only tank on the boards in this situation...

I agree- if there were "special treatments" to make the corals look so good, they would just sell those. Most of us SPS nuts would pay.

The Aquaforest system is just a carbon dosing system with optional use of GAC, GFO, and Zeolites - it's no "secret sauce". The individual supplements are things like amino acids, vitamins, and major and minor trace elements. They just happen to be very high quality items at very reasonable prices.

[Icefire]

Originally Posted by mhucasey

I agree, and notice that the anti-Aquaforest backlash is beginning.

No backlash here, I just find that weird that Aquaforest employe (at least 2), Promote "heavily" Aquaforest products while showing their tank. At least one tank is IN the offices of aquaforest which probably host HCPL/specialized equipement and is being thendered by employees year-round.

It's not fair for sponsor who must stay in their sub forum and not fair for newbie/easily influancable (sp?) people.

The products probably work like KZ and Redsea Color, it's not the point, it's about being truly transparent. Second post on the thread by OP is "The tank run only on products Aquaforest." It might be the mother tongue language difference like myself but I have my doubts.


I think the thread could have been started better with a full evolution and better explanation.

[reefmutt]

I don't disagree with you..
I think Grzegorz probably should have started this bread by stating that he works for Aquaforest- in the interest of full disclosure..
However, I don't think that because he works for Aquaforest, his tank is any better than anybody else's tank could be by using the same products..
So.. Yes, a little more transparency would have been good but I don't feel anybody has been mislead or cheated..

[mhucasey]

Originally Posted by Icefire

No backlash here, I just find that weird that Aquaforest employe (at least 2), Promote "heavily" Aquaforest products while showing their tank. At least one tank is IN the offices of aquaforest which probably host HCPL/specialized equipement and is being thendered by employees year-round.

It's not fair for sponsor who must stay in their sub forum and not fair for newbie/easily influancable (sp?) people.

The products probably work like KZ and Redsea Color, it's not the point, it's about being truly transparent. Second post on the thread by OP is "The tank run only on products Aquaforest." It might be the mother tongue language difference like myself but I have my doubts.


I think the thread could have been started better with a full evolution and better explanation.

I will agree that for transparency sake it would be best if employees of an aquarium related company disclose who they work for up front, if only to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

I think here its probably a case of an (perhaps overly) enthusiastic company with employees who want to show off how well their stuff works, maybe not understanding how that could be perceived here in the US. There is a pretty big language/culture barrier to overcome. They did establish a sponsor forum here on RC before they even sold any products in the US, so they aren't trying to get pseudo sponsorship without paying for the privilege. I also don't feel like they are trying to unduly influence anyone based on the questions Ive asked and the responses I've received from them in the sponsor forum.

FYI Aquaforest makes way more products than they sell here in the US, including skimmers, sumps, reactors, artificial rock, etc. Several of these European Aquaforest tanks use their products almost exclusively. However, unlike Zeovit, they don't push you toward using their equipment and every additive. The guide is pretty flexible about what carbon source/filtration approach you use, even allowing for biopellets with the system.

You keep mentioning the specialized equipment that the Aquaforest office could use, like HCPL. I'm not following how that makes gives them an advantage that everyone else doesn't have, if they are indeed using such equipment. I can get my water tested by Triton and get the same tests done any time I want. If just testing the water and adjusting elements guaranteed the results I've seen in a lot of these Aquaforest tanks, I'd do it. Based on what I've seen, the Triton testing is interesting but not very useful.

Anyway, my 2 cents on the whole thing. I'm concerned that they are getting lumped in as snake oil salesmen with Zeovit as they have some similarities in their systems. I can see how that happens with Zeovit, they sell you lots of bottles of clear liquid that all smell like vinegar. Aquaforest's products are what they say they are, and the difference is immediately apparent when you see and smell them, and the effects in the tank are pretty apparent.

It's not fair for sponsor who must stay in their sub forum and not fair for newbie/easily influancable (sp?) people.

My understanding is that sponsors can post anywhere they want, they just cant sell stuff outside the forums. There are sponsors who helpfully answer questions in threads that aren't in their forums.

[fishguy597]

I would love to see an update on this tank.

[reefmutt]

Me too!

[Mortie31]

I switched to aquaforest salt from KZ "Reefers best" a couple of months ago, and the great thing I can say about it, is that nothing has changed...levels are very similar, pretty much NSW levels which I run at....And the best thing is it's £30 a bucket cheaper... IMO well worth a try I will be trying some of the additives as soon as I'm out of aminos etc.

[broke1]

This guy came on here showing a stunning tank, which only had a reference to an AF skimmer. He never promoted or tried to sell a product. When questioned about being an AF employee, admitted to it and added that this is a personal tank at his house.

All that shows to me is he has produced a beautiful tank using products available to all of us.

If this is promoting anything, everyone that lists equipment in there thread is guilty of the same. If I work for an electrical supplier, does that mean I can't show my tank with the lights on? I would be using a product supplied by my company, which everyone can purchase to help create a beautiful tank.

Egon24, ignore the negative crap, the tank looks great.

[Piper27]

Hey can we get an update? I like the tank and I am hoping this has not fallen off the board like some of the other ones like it. I would love to see how things look now.