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11/27/2018, 09:41 AM | #1376 |
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Thanks, Ed.. in 350g, Im still below, but getting close to 5 ml.. I know it depends on nutrients..
Really getting tired of my perpetually high po4.. It’s still stupid difficult to get around here... Bulent, I assume you are still using bacto Balance?i remember it was the backbone of your nutrient control system.
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11/28/2018, 01:11 PM | #1377 | |
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Below is the marketing information about FM Coral Balance: "Coral Balance is a modern nutrient control system that enhances metabolic turnover rates. It was specifically formulated to reactivate and stabilise nutrient cycles and alkalinity control in modern reef aquaria. Phosphate reduction, which is usually hard to control, will be increased and stabilised, leading to permanently low phosphate levels. Using the natural power of marine biopolymers, Fauna Marin Coral Balance will produce remarkable results even at very low doses. Fauna Marin Coral Balance is a coral feed, nutrient and water conditioner in one product. Due to its special formula it works rapidly and efficiently, speeds up nutrient reduction by increased coral growth and biological element cycling. Corals will become more resilient by forming a natural protective layer and increase their coloration. Coral Balance will supply dissolved and particulate nutrients like minerals and dissolved organics directly to your corals. Natural biopolymers and marine organic compounds will supplement the water in your aquarium with essential compounds. Acid-base regulation will be stabilised, helping to maintain stable biological and chemical conditions." For me this product is identical to Reef Actif. Consider the TM's marketing information on Reef Actif: "REEF ACTIF contains marine biopolymers which bind excess nutrients and other pollutants and lead to their decomposition via specialized microorganisms. This promotes a natural marine microbiology environment in the aquarium and keeps the water extremely clear. The activation of the microflora provides the water with numerous vitamins and other vital substances in a wholly natural manner. Corals and shells open better and display their full range of colors. Fishes, too, benefit from the stable bacteria flora and the probiotic effect; they become robust, displaying their vitality in the form of perfect coloration. Benefits: • Ensures consistent water conditions between water changes • Has a double function as adsorber and valuable bacteria nutrition in the aquarium • Binds nutrients and encourages their utilisation through bacteria and other organisms • Promotes the removal of water contamination by binding contaminating substances • Slow decomposition of excess nutrients without oxygen consumption in the aquarium • Improves consistency and continuity of skimming • Enhances vitality and coloration of corals and reef mussels" That said, I am curious about this FM's claim: "Phosphate reduction, which is usually hard to control, will be increased and stabilised, leading to permanently low phosphate levels." I need to ask Claude to explain to me how this is achieved. I have my doubts. This product simply transforms the state of phosphates from inorganic to organic. Unless you have very good coral growth, a lot of filter feeders that consume organic phosphates, such as sponges, as well as activated carbon and good bacterial balance and finally efficient skimming, organic phosphates will remain in the water column. The problem is that you cannot measure organic phosphates. Hence, I have no immediate plans to try Coral Balance unless Clause comes up with a good explanation about his claim. I will write to him on FM's forum. Quote:
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As for using Reef Actif along with Bacto-Balance, I put the following questions to Herr Balling: Q: What does Reef Actif offer that NP-Bacto-Balance doesn’t? NP-Bacto-Balance contains a carbon source. A: Reef Actif offers a choice of polymeric substances that are only accessible to specialized bacteria. There is a pronounced beneficial effect to corals and also fish that is visible in just a few days. We found them testing substances that might adsorb nutrients. NP-Bacto-Balance has oligomeric substances that are accessible to much more kinds of bacteria and which do not adsorb nutrients to their molecular structure. Q: What are exactly natural marine bio-polymers and how do they differ from other organic carbon sources, such as vodka, vinegar, sugar? The confusion here is that in the translated version you stated "REEF ACTIF contains a carbon source in the form of the mentioned biopolymers. These, like most organic compounds, are mainly carbon.” Specifically, if bio-polymers are a carbon source, then are they consumed by only specific bacteria? Is that why you used the term symbiotic bacteria? Are symbiotic bacteria different than facultative heterotrophic bacteria. A: Vodka, vinegar and sugar are monomeric or oligomeric substances which can and will feed many kinds of bacteria including detrimental ones. These substances are metabolized and oxidized by the bacteria rapidly which may cause bacterial blooms and oxygen depletion. For our liquid organic carbon additives like NP-Bacto-Balance we chose the substance that caused the least bacterial slime buildup and to which corals seemed to react best. Reef Actif is even more safe and more beneficial to corals and fish than NP-Bacto-Balance. It has a prebiotic effect which means it seems to feed mainly harmless and beneficial (=mutualistic, mutualism = a beneficial kind of symbiosis) bacteria.
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11/28/2018, 05:50 PM | #1380 | |
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11/28/2018, 06:20 PM | #1381 | |
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Coral Balance however, strikes me as simply a dry version of AF’s build or KZ’s coral snow... I’m pretty sure we’ll never know the truth!!!! I have asked in the Fauna facebook group about adding Coral Balance to RO water to make a stock solution that can be shaken and added to the aquarium..the inly responder said that they have done this without issue.. As for bacto Balance, I suspect that I would be in the same boat as you, using a gfo to control po4.. using my current method of Fauna’s MINs, Bak (which I may discontinue) and Organic, I need constant gfo while n is quite low.. with this current system, n has been below 1ppm for about 2 months while p sits between .06 and .12..
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11/28/2018, 06:33 PM | #1382 | |
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Herr Balling suggests that we use aluminium-based PO4 adsorber instead of GFO if an organic carbon source is used to control nutrients. He argues that this is because organic carbon reduces O2 levels in the water column. GFO releases PO4 while adsorbing it under such conditions. This is why I use FM Ultra Phos. I do not think it is as effective as, say Rowa Phos. I target a PO4 level of under 0.1 mg/L. Coral growth slows down markedly above this level even though colouration does not suffer as much (this is perhaps because of Reef Actif).
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11/29/2018, 07:02 AM | #1383 |
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I decided to test Bacto balance due to your success.............my goal was to use it without having to use GFO as I currently do with my display. If eventually you have to use GFO or another phosphate media in conjunction with it, I have no use for Bacto balance as my skimmer alone keeps nitrates in check. The frag tank now is using bacto balance, a skimmer and I still do my 10% water changes weekly. The Bacto balance does add some phosphate in some form so maybe that's why over time there is an imbalance or issue..........but this is also the key reason why I like it so you don't bottom out P04. Reason/theories why having to use phosphate remover--- --Too high a dose of bacto balance -- Very high fish load systems -- Too tight a ratio...........wider ratio with N03 higher allows for faster growth and more populated zoo which in turn the corals take up more P04. Algae will grow faster as well which gets skimmed eventually in other forms from fish(algae eaters--tangs, ect), clean up crews and hand cleaning the glass panes every 3 days or so. I can vouch first hand when my N03 is lower approx below 1.0 there were a handful of corals that just wouldn't grow or were pale with less color, but they were maybe 15-20% of my acro population. In other cases corals look and grow fine but the new tips stay white for a long time versus them having some zoo and color as the coral grows. As a ballpark range I believe the 100-1 is the best overall and even 200-1 is fine but then a few acros get too dark and the color doesn't pop as much. I'm at 10ppm nitrate with both my systems right now......I think more in the 5.0 range would be more ideal for all corals, but I'm fine at this level. ---------------------------- Reef-actif- I do get the possibly the Reef-actif is more focused to help the bacteria that is symbiotic with each coral, but maybe less helpful for the anaerobic bacteria that sucks up nutrients that our skimmers can take out. Sooo, in theory corals growing faster help suck up P04 to help having no need for phosphate removers. ------------------------------------ I think Bacto balance is a good and simple inexpensive bacterial system that needs tweaking over time, at least 6 months to find a sweet spot. I don't believe you have to use countless bottles like the other commercial products to find success with acro systems. On another note-- I agree growing acros above .10 P04, growth in some corals start to stall......by .20 or above it's almost every acro in my tank. This is over 10 years of observation of the same acro species. Color was never really effected.
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Great job on the deforestation ... though I too would like to see the latest FTS. It's hard to do, I was very hesitant to break apart the slimer ... though I got over it pretty fast once I realized how much harm that beast was causing to the other acros.
As far as KH, you know I'm always low, 5.5 to 6.5 depending on how lazy I get. Only some of my montis seem to dislike the low Alk.
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You guys have me interested in these products now... Especially since I got rid of most of my fish and downsized.
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谢谢分享。学习了
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Just want to translate what Xiao is saying: Thanks for sharing. And I am learning a lot.
I am echoing the same! Beautiful tank!
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Hello DiscusHeckel, how many liters of circulating water pump per hour, how many times the total water body is suitable, the answer I get here is 10 times the total water body
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Here is the latest update:
My yellow tang died two weeks ago. He was nearly 7 years old. I got really upset about her death. I bought a much smaller replacement shortly afterwards. While I was at my lfs, I also bought a copperband (C. rostratus), which came from Australia. As both fish were introduced to the tank at the same time, there was no aggression from the yellow tang towards the CBB. The damn fish eats only frozen PE mysis. Fortunately, she also eats live mussels and clams. Excess feeding increased nutrients as you would expect. NO3 is 25 ppm and PO4 is close to 0.3 mg/L. The ratio between them has gone up to 85:1. Here are the latest photos I took earlier this evening: P1120264 P1120266 P1120271 P1120274 P1120283 P1120296 P1120297 P1120305
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Nice photos. Sorry about your tang, I hate losing fish.
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Hello, DiscusHeckel, what Tm& products do you still use now?
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12/10/2018, 06:48 PM | #1398 |
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Thank you for your sympathy and thanks for your compliment.
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Latest top down photos (10th December 2018; NO3: 25 ppm; PO4: 0.3 mg/L):
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