Royal-Exclusiv / Vertex Cone Skimmer Club - Page 3

bigtex52 · 09/07/2009, 09:54 AM

Good! What did you order?

robthorn · 09/07/2009, 09:56 AM

I-tech

subman719 · 09/07/2009, 10:17 AM

Rwinfrey- I just wanted to point out that I'm not the one that was offered a refund. I purchased mine at Aquacave. I didn't know Jeremy or Premium Aquatics existed until this thread. Had I known prior, I would've purchased from Jeremy because he IS adding the personal touch and is taken the necessary steps to make things right regardless if we are one of his customers or not, which is extremely noble of him! I think HE is what will set Vertex and RE apart form the other skimmer lines!

DarG · 09/07/2009, 10:31 AM

The problem Rob, is that you are bashing the 200 in general. Your sarcasm is evident, your admitting to it wasnt necessary. The tenor of your posts is very clear. This, despite the fact that there are plenty of 200 owners with skimmers that are performing excellently. Given the opportunity to try a 200 that was known to work properly, you turned it down. That's fine. That was completely your perogative. But that being the case, your continued bashing of the skimmer is not at all reasonable. And please dont claim that you are only bashing the 200 that you have. Again, the sarcasm and tenor of your posts are very clear.

You're sending it back and getting a refund. You have your remedy. Dont you think enough is enough already? Especially considering the fact that you really dont know whether the 200 is a good skimmer or not ...

ryshark · 09/07/2009, 10:40 AM

What is the overall consensus with these skimmers? Are they awesome or are they a typical "first generation" with kinks to be worked out and the Gen 2 is what will really be awesome?

crab0000 · 09/07/2009, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by robthorn
Are some of us kidding ourselves thinking RE is actually building these skimmers? Aren't the manufactured in china? At least that is what I was told. I could have been told wrong. This was another factor in deciding to just say forget it. Seems the description was somewhat misleading. I tried for a long time to figure out how I can keep this thing.

I was under the impression these were being built in Germany by RE? Didn't Klaus post pics of some of the CNC mills being used to produce these or was that in another thread?

robthorn · 09/07/2009, 11:17 AM

ok dar. I am being asked questions or commented about So I am simply answering. It's not a bash fest. You obviously are skimming and not reading my posts and still feel the need to ask me questions and comment. I never once bashed 200's in general. I thought I made it very clear I was talking about my 200. Except I think the neck is too big I guess that is about all 200's but that to me isn't a bash it's an opinion which we are all entitled too. underpowered is also only underpowered for the neck size. Again only the same opinion.
Crab as I stated I don't know I was just told by another reefer on RC. ME saying where I was told they were made shouldn't be a problem or secret. It's very natural these days to make things in china. It's cheaper so why not? I guess if they are not made in China someone will surely clear the air and tell us where they or parts of them are manufactured. Again I don;t think saying they are manufactured in China is a bash or from me is not intended to be a bashing statement.

swiseman · 09/07/2009, 12:03 PM

I just unsubscribed from this thread as 4 of you are boring me to death with your constant problems. You never see this level of BS in any other club thread and I spent years in the Deltec forum before buying what is a vastly superior skimmer.

Why don't you guys start a thread dedicated to the 170 and the single 200 that have caused so much anguish. You have sucked the enjoyable life out of this thread.

Congratulations.

DarG · 09/07/2009, 03:12 PM

Rob, I have read your posts completely. Your criticism being limited to YOUR 200 is garbage. Your intent is obvious and your sarcasm doest mask it, it amplifies it. I highly doubt that I am the only one who can see this.

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I may be mistaken but I believe that the Alpha skimmers are indeed made by RE in Germany. Somebody mentioned Klaus stating that he purchased new CNC machinery in order to produce these skimmers or parts of them, and I believe that is also the case. But this is from memory. Something related to this is mentioned by Klaus earlier in the thread (well before the split) if anyone wants to find it. Im sure that Jeremy will chime in during the week.

bigtex52 · 09/07/2009, 03:19 PM

Nope. We all see it. He's just trolling at this point and I refuse to feed the troll. It's past time for him to move on to the I-Tech forum and let the rest of us get back on topic.

I hope Jeremy gets the new needlewheel from Klaus this week. Can't wait to see how it performs.

DarG · 09/07/2009, 04:00 PM

The Alphas are made in Germany by RE.

Page 24 of the thread before the split. Klaus shows some new machinery in pictures and mentions that they had to purchase new/more machinery and hire more help in order to keep up with demand for the Alpha skimmers.

Jeremy B. · 09/07/2009, 05:10 PM

Guys, the bickering back and forth needs to end immediately. The bottom line is that Rob could not get his skimmer to work in his system, no matter what he did. I have a feeling that there is something wrong with it, especially since it's pulling 400 - 600LPH under what it's supposed to. He will be getting a full refund, and with no deduction for shipping charges. Once I receive it I will take a look at the unit and find out what is going on.

We have managed to clutter up 3 1/2 pages of arguing. This thread is already very big and hard to read because of the size. Please get it back on track from here on out.

The skimmer's are completely manufactured in Germany, with the exception of the mold for the body, which was built in China. The body is NOT built in China, just the mold that is used to form it.

Thanks,
Jeremy

Royal Exclusiv · 09/07/2009, 06:21 PM

Hi ...

the Thermoforming molds are manufactured in Germany...
the Vaccum-thermoformed Bodys are made in Germany...
the Assembling was made in Cologne/Germany...
the Pumpperformance was made by Royal-Eclusiv-Germany..
the Vertex-Cones are made from Royal-Exclusiv for our Customer, Proline-Aquatics.
He is the Owner of the Toolings and CNC-Programms. So all the Rights of Design, CNC-Programms, the Toolings and Technlogies are under Property from our Customer, Proline-Aquatics.

Only the Titanium-Screws on the Vertex-Cones, are comming from China. We ordert it by a German Company, and the Invoices comming from a German Company, or i now, it comming from China. He comming in best Quality.

Hope. it clear the Manufacturing.... .. China is a great Country and we love the chinese Cultur and peoples. We now any Manufacturers in China, but it is not the Future of Royal-Exclusiv, for manufacturing our Skimmer-Products in China. Yes, we can do it,... it is a lot chepaer there as in Germany, thats not the Question. If the Customer want HighTech Products, it comming allway from Europe or USA. Thats Fact. I never see a new revolutionary-invention from our chinese Competitors in the Skimmer-Industry.

For the 170´s surging Problem : ... we designed a new Needlewheel and maybe a new, adjustable nozzle. It was ready his week and we send it quick to USA.
Sorry for the Trouble......we testing the 170´s many months in a saltwatertank and it running perfect. Or it is the Truth, it is completly different Story, so the Products go to the Customers. A lot of different thinks wait on the Skimmers. We working on a solution for the surging Problem on the 170´s. It was hard, for reducing the Pumpperformance on the Mini Red Dragonpumps for the small 170´s Cones.....

best regards....

robthorn · 09/07/2009, 06:59 PM

sweet I am actually glad I was told wrong. Thanks for clearing the china issue up.
Thanks jeremy for the shipping update. The change is much appreciated.

Husky_1 · 09/07/2009, 07:06 PM

Hey Jeremy/Klaus,
I was wondering how can I get in line for a new needlewheel? I can try and take some video of the surging, or whatever is needed.

Jeremy B. · 09/07/2009, 07:26 PM

I stand corrected, the molds are not made in China, thanks Klaus!

Husky_1, once I get it tested, and we have it finalized that is what we will be doing then I'll make sure the few of you on here get new impellers. Keep in mind that I am not able to send any replacement / warranty parts to those who did not purchase through Premium Aquatics.

Thanks,
Jeremy

subman719 · 09/07/2009, 07:58 PM

Jeremy, I just PM'd you

ryshark · 09/07/2009, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by subman719
Jeremy, I just PM'd you

Me too.

taklein65 · 09/11/2009, 05:54 PM

I was reading an email from Jeremy that my skimmer A250 would be in around the end of September

some other stuff shipped out yesterday 9/10. I checked the tracking number and it said delivered 9/11 5:56pm so i go down and look. While i was typing the email to Jeremy to say thanks, David Ragan did a drive by no door bell no knock there it set. That was

FAST. Thats 24 hours turn around from ship to deliverey I can't wait for the A250 to get in

than I'll be

Thanks Jeremy

rsuplido · 09/13/2009, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeremy B.
Husky_1, once I get it tested, and we have it finalized that is what we will be doing then I'll make sure the few of you on here get new impellers. Keep in mind that I am not able to send any replacement / warranty parts to those who did not purchase through Premium Aquatics.
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Please add me to the list. Do you need my order number Jeremy?

Wd40 · 09/13/2009, 03:11 PM

Whats the word with new impellor Jeremy?
These microbubbles are driving me crazy!
Let me know.
Thank You

kvmn · 09/13/2009, 05:07 PM

Wd40.....
you having problem with microbubbles coming out from output?
is that what they call suring???

subman719 · 09/13/2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kvmn
Wd40.....
you having problem with microbubbles coming out from output?
is that what they call suring???

I believe his microbubble problem is different from the surging. Since I moved my nozzle out to compensate for my surging problem, I now have microbubbles coming out of the exhaust pipe. The whole skimmer works on mircrobubbles but when you have too much airflow, the bubbles go too far below the bubble plate and come out of the exhaust. Here's a link to my skimmer with the "surging" problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UcnVnClrFM

Hope this helps and for anyone who is more knowledgeable with this, please feel free to correct me.

Jeremy B. · 09/14/2009, 07:36 AM

Microbubbles will not be fixed by anything other than decreasing the air draw, and increasing the water flow. Is there anyway you can get a photo of the microbubbles? Every skimmer out there will produce some microbubbles out of the output. I do not know of one single design on the market that doesn't. If you're getting a bunch of microbubbles / particulate in your tank, then this is most likely a result of something else, and not the skimmer.

FYI, there is no list yet or anything for a 170 update. I have not received the impeller or other items yet to try. I should be getting a call today from Klaus to get an update on everything he shipped to me, and tracking on it.

Thanks,
Jeremy

Wd40 · 09/14/2009, 07:59 AM

Hey Jeremy thanx for the update.
As for the surging question. the answer is no my skimmer actually skims very well!
However, I have ALOT of microbubbles coming out of the output. My skimmer is running in 9'' and is running the 59mm nozzle. Should I be running @ something else???
I had a couple of people come over my house this weekend Jeremy and they also saw the microbubbles and commented on it. They run BK MINI's and said they have ZERO bubbles.
Im really getting TIRED and ****ED about these micrbubbles cause there going in my display!
I know its not your fault Jeremy, cause u didnt make the skimmer, so in no way am i bashing you, your customer service is #1. But i cant call Klause or Royal Exclusive myself so i need to vent somewhere and seek for help here..
Once again, Thank you

09/07/2009, 10:17 AM	#53
subman719 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 353	Rwinfrey- I just wanted to point out that I'm not the one that was offered a refund. I purchased mine at Aquacave. I didn't know Jeremy or Premium Aquatics existed until this thread. Had I known prior, I would've purchased from Jeremy because he IS adding the personal touch and is taken the necessary steps to make things right regardless if we are one of his customers or not, which is extremely noble of him! I think HE is what will set Vertex and RE apart form the other skimmer lines! __________________ Bob "Fish are Friends, NOT Food!" - Finding Nemo Current Tank Info: 90 Gal - Mixed Reef, 75 gal and 40 gal holding tanks. 20 gal mini reef and several fish only PICO tanks.

09/07/2009, 12:03 PM	#58
swiseman Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Moncton, New Brunswick Posts: 407	I just unsubscribed from this thread as 4 of you are boring me to death with your constant problems. You never see this level of BS in any other club thread and I spent years in the Deltec forum before buying what is a vastly superior skimmer. Why don't you guys start a thread dedicated to the 170 and the single 200 that have caused so much anguish. You have sucked the enjoyable life out of this thread. Congratulations. __________________ If my wife asks, it was only $20. Current Tank Info: 220 Gal SPS Reef, 3 x Ecotech Radion LED, 66 gal sump, Vertex Alpha 250 Kone Skimmer, GEO 6-18 Ca Reactor, 2 x Tunze 6105, 1 x Vertex MP40W, Profilux III EX

09/07/2009, 06:21 PM	#63
Royal Exclusiv Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Köln Posts: 6	Hi ... the Thermoforming molds are manufactured in Germany... the Vaccum-thermoformed Bodys are made in Germany... the Assembling was made in Cologne/Germany... the Pumpperformance was made by Royal-Eclusiv-Germany.. the Vertex-Cones are made from Royal-Exclusiv for our Customer, Proline-Aquatics. He is the Owner of the Toolings and CNC-Programms. So all the Rights of Design, CNC-Programms, the Toolings and Technlogies are under Property from our Customer, Proline-Aquatics. Only the Titanium-Screws on the Vertex-Cones, are comming from China. We ordert it by a German Company, and the Invoices comming from a German Company, or i now, it comming from China. He comming in best Quality. Hope. it clear the Manufacturing.... .. China is a great Country and we love the chinese Cultur and peoples. We now any Manufacturers in China, but it is not the Future of Royal-Exclusiv, for manufacturing our Skimmer-Products in China. Yes, we can do it,... it is a lot chepaer there as in Germany, thats not the Question. If the Customer want HighTech Products, it comming allway from Europe or USA. Thats Fact. I never see a new revolutionary-invention from our chinese Competitors in the Skimmer-Industry. For the 170´s surging Problem : ... we designed a new Needlewheel and maybe a new, adjustable nozzle. It was ready his week and we send it quick to USA. Sorry for the Trouble......we testing the 170´s many months in a saltwatertank and it running perfect. Or it is the Truth, it is completly different Story, so the Products go to the Customers. A lot of different thinks wait on the Skimmers. We working on a solution for the surging Problem on the 170´s. It was hard, for reducing the Pumpperformance on the Mini Red Dragonpumps for the small 170´s Cones..... best regards.... Last edited by Royal Exclusiv; 09/07/2009 at 06:36 PM.

09/07/2009, 07:06 PM	#65
Husky_1 Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South FL Posts: 1,541	Hey Jeremy/Klaus, I was wondering how can I get in line for a new needlewheel? I can try and take some video of the surging, or whatever is needed. __________________ Out of the hobby, but thinking of rejoining Current Tank Info: 92 Reef, 10 Reef

09/07/2009, 07:58 PM	#67
subman719 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 353	Jeremy, I just PM'd you __________________ Bob "Fish are Friends, NOT Food!" - Finding Nemo Current Tank Info: 90 Gal - Mixed Reef, 75 gal and 40 gal holding tanks. 20 gal mini reef and several fish only PICO tanks.

09/07/2009, 09:54 AM	#51
bigtex52 Old Salt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Carrollton, TX (just N of Dallas) Posts: 436	Good! What did you order?

09/07/2009, 09:56 AM	#52
robthorn Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: largo florida Posts: 5,089	I-tech

09/07/2009, 10:31 AM	#54
DarG Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,515	The problem Rob, is that you are bashing the 200 in general. Your sarcasm is evident, your admitting to it wasnt necessary. The tenor of your posts is very clear. This, despite the fact that there are plenty of 200 owners with skimmers that are performing excellently. Given the opportunity to try a 200 that was known to work properly, you turned it down. That's fine. That was completely your perogative. But that being the case, your continued bashing of the skimmer is not at all reasonable. And please dont claim that you are only bashing the 200 that you have. Again, the sarcasm and tenor of your posts are very clear. You're sending it back and getting a refund. You have your remedy. Dont you think enough is enough already? Especially considering the fact that you really dont know whether the 200 is a good skimmer or not ...

09/07/2009, 10:40 AM	#55
ryshark Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 2,169	What is the overall consensus with these skimmers? Are they awesome or are they a typical "first generation" with kinks to be worked out and the Gen 2 is what will really be awesome?

09/07/2009, 11:17 AM	#57
robthorn Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: largo florida Posts: 5,089	ok dar. I am being asked questions or commented about So I am simply answering. It's not a bash fest. You obviously are skimming and not reading my posts and still feel the need to ask me questions and comment. I never once bashed 200's in general. I thought I made it very clear I was talking about my 200. Except I think the neck is too big I guess that is about all 200's but that to me isn't a bash it's an opinion which we are all entitled too. underpowered is also only underpowered for the neck size. Again only the same opinion. Crab as I stated I don't know I was just told by another reefer on RC. ME saying where I was told they were made shouldn't be a problem or secret. It's very natural these days to make things in china. It's cheaper so why not? I guess if they are not made in China someone will surely clear the air and tell us where they or parts of them are manufactured. Again I don;t think saying they are manufactured in China is a bash or from me is not intended to be a bashing statement.

09/07/2009, 03:12 PM	#59
DarG Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,515	Rob, I have read your posts completely. Your criticism being limited to YOUR 200 is garbage. Your intent is obvious and your sarcasm doest mask it, it amplifies it. I highly doubt that I am the only one who can see this. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I may be mistaken but I believe that the Alpha skimmers are indeed made by RE in Germany. Somebody mentioned Klaus stating that he purchased new CNC machinery in order to produce these skimmers or parts of them, and I believe that is also the case. But this is from memory. Something related to this is mentioned by Klaus earlier in the thread (well before the split) if anyone wants to find it. Im sure that Jeremy will chime in during the week.

09/07/2009, 03:19 PM	#60
bigtex52 Old Salt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Carrollton, TX (just N of Dallas) Posts: 436	Nope. We all see it. He's just trolling at this point and I refuse to feed the troll. It's past time for him to move on to the I-Tech forum and let the rest of us get back on topic. I hope Jeremy gets the new needlewheel from Klaus this week. Can't wait to see how it performs.

09/07/2009, 04:00 PM	#61
DarG Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,515	The Alphas are made in Germany by RE. Page 24 of the thread before the split. Klaus shows some new machinery in pictures and mentions that they had to purchase new/more machinery and hire more help in order to keep up with demand for the Alpha skimmers.

09/07/2009, 05:10 PM	#62
Jeremy B. Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN / Muncie, IN Posts: 8,219	Guys, the bickering back and forth needs to end immediately. The bottom line is that Rob could not get his skimmer to work in his system, no matter what he did. I have a feeling that there is something wrong with it, especially since it's pulling 400 - 600LPH under what it's supposed to. He will be getting a full refund, and with no deduction for shipping charges. Once I receive it I will take a look at the unit and find out what is going on. We have managed to clutter up 3 1/2 pages of arguing. This thread is already very big and hard to read because of the size. Please get it back on track from here on out. The skimmer's are completely manufactured in Germany, with the exception of the mold for the body, which was built in China. The body is NOT built in China, just the mold that is used to form it. Thanks, Jeremy

09/07/2009, 06:59 PM	#64
robthorn Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: largo florida Posts: 5,089	sweet I am actually glad I was told wrong. Thanks for clearing the china issue up. Thanks jeremy for the shipping update. The change is much appreciated.

09/07/2009, 07:26 PM	#66
Jeremy B. Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN / Muncie, IN Posts: 8,219	I stand corrected, the molds are not made in China, thanks Klaus! Husky_1, once I get it tested, and we have it finalized that is what we will be doing then I'll make sure the few of you on here get new impellers. Keep in mind that I am not able to send any replacement / warranty parts to those who did not purchase through Premium Aquatics. Thanks, Jeremy

09/11/2009, 05:54 PM	#69
taklein65 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Marysville, OH Posts: 116	I was reading an email from Jeremy that my skimmer A250 would be in around the end of September some other stuff shipped out yesterday 9/10. I checked the tracking number and it said delivered 9/11 5:56pm so i go down and look. While i was typing the email to Jeremy to say thanks, David Ragan did a drive by no door bell no knock there it set. That was FAST. Thats 24 hours turn around from ship to deliverey I can't wait for the A250 to get in than I'll be Thanks Jeremy

09/13/2009, 03:11 PM	#71
Wd40 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 715	Whats the word with new impellor Jeremy? These microbubbles are driving me crazy! Let me know. Thank You

09/13/2009, 05:07 PM	#72
kvmn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Minnesnowta Posts: 237	Wd40..... you having problem with microbubbles coming out from output? is that what they call suring???

09/14/2009, 07:36 AM	#74
Jeremy B. Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN / Muncie, IN Posts: 8,219	Microbubbles will not be fixed by anything other than decreasing the air draw, and increasing the water flow. Is there anyway you can get a photo of the microbubbles? Every skimmer out there will produce some microbubbles out of the output. I do not know of one single design on the market that doesn't. If you're getting a bunch of microbubbles / particulate in your tank, then this is most likely a result of something else, and not the skimmer. FYI, there is no list yet or anything for a 170 update. I have not received the impeller or other items yet to try. I should be getting a call today from Klaus to get an update on everything he shipped to me, and tracking on it. Thanks, Jeremy

09/14/2009, 07:59 AM	#75
Wd40 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 715	Hey Jeremy thanx for the update. As for the surging question. the answer is no my skimmer actually skims very well! However, I have ALOT of microbubbles coming out of the output. My skimmer is running in 9'' and is running the 59mm nozzle. Should I be running @ something else??? I had a couple of people come over my house this weekend Jeremy and they also saw the microbubbles and commented on it. They run BK MINI's and said they have ZERO bubbles. Im really getting TIRED and ****ED about these micrbubbles cause there going in my display! I know its not your fault Jeremy, cause u didnt make the skimmer, so in no way am i bashing you, your customer service is #1. But i cant call Klause or Royal Exclusive myself so i need to vent somewhere and seek for help here.. Once again, Thank you