Breeding ocellaris and black ocellaris question.

lessthanlights · 12/23/2006, 08:30 PM

I want to breed my 3 year old female Ocellaris Clown with a Black Ocellaris Clown. What would the resulting offspring be- black, regular, black and regular, or a mix?

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mwp · 12/23/2006, 10:22 PM

That's an interesting question that I've not heard a definite answer on. The two main answers -> somone here knows someone who has a pair consisting of Reg Ocellaris + Black Ocellaris and claims that the resulting offspring turn out like one or the other parent. The other source I've found would suggest that the offspring are a "continuum" from one parent to the other (W. Mai in Corals Magazine, the Clownfish Issue, is roughly quoted as saying the resultant offspring producing "interesting results").

FWIW,

Matt

Peter Schmiedel · 12/24/2006, 01:46 AM

Matt,

want me to contact Wolfgang Mai and try to get his statenment?

lessthanlights · 12/24/2006, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peter Schmiedel
Matt,

want me to contact Wolfgang Mai and try to get his statenment?

Any info you can find would be greatly appreciated.

David M · 12/24/2006, 10:46 AM

This has been asked several times here and we still don't really have a solid answer. We have got everything from "some black, some normal" to "all muddy brown". I have a mixed pair like that but so far no spawns. I am tempted to switch out the normal for another b&w but my curiosity is getting the best of me, I haven't done it yet and probably won't.

Just curious, for you science guys, what would you call the offspring? Certainly not a "hybrid" since they are one species.

mwp · 12/24/2006, 11:03 AM

Actually David, if we were dealing with Cichlids...breeders would still consider the fish hybrids, even though it's a hybrid between races...i.e. Breeding 6 Stripe and 7 Stripe Frontosa together...that's definitely a hybrid...

Matt

slojmn · 12/24/2006, 11:07 AM

I asked this question a few weeks ago here and got the same kind of responses, not really sure. My pair regularly spawns and I may just go ahead and try it this spring, one to see if I can even do it and two to see what the results would be...curiosity as well

. I have the opposite as you a Darwin black ocellaris female and a regular ocellaris male, at least that was the overall consensus from my pictures...I was not sure what my pair consisted of.

mwp · 12/24/2006, 11:12 AM

It may be worth trying just once to get several babies to take pics because this question seems to come up again and again. I haven't done a thorough/exhaustive search, but I haven't come up with any pictures of hybrid offspring when I went looking for them.

colby · 12/24/2006, 10:37 PM

I suppose we could call them "Intraspecific Hybrids"....

Luis A M · 12/25/2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by colby
I suppose we could call them "Intraspecific Hybrids"....

Yes,as long as Darwins are not described officially as a new species.

lessthanlights · 01/30/2007, 01:56 AM

I purchased a small black ocellaris on Saturday and am happy to report they have takin a liking to each other. We'll see what happens in the up coming months.

oxkisses12ox · 01/30/2007, 05:43 PM

i have two clowns in my tank... they were not bought as a pair, but one is female and one is male... how do i know if they will breed? i really want them to breed but how do i get them to?

David M · 01/30/2007, 06:33 PM

Soft lights, a good merlot and Barry on the stereo. Works on my wife anyway

Or you could just maintain pristine water conditions, temps above 80, regular light cycle, no disturbances and feed them to saturation with a high quality and varied diet. That never worked on Mrs M but the fish do seem to respond.

colby · 01/31/2007, 01:20 AM

I just got back from Sundance Film f\Festival and while there I couldn't resist the urge to go check out the lfs...

Well, while in there I noticed two really cool looking clowns from across the room. In their display tank they have a pair of Ocellaris that were a result of a Darwin x regular cross. They were very beautiful to say the least. The female basically looked like a very large juvie black o. in that she had a jet black body with orange underside and face. The male on the other hand looked almost like a regular Ocellaris with very very heavy black around the fins and bars.

If anyone can tell me how to post a pic from my phone gallery I will be happy to put em up...

lessthanlights · 01/31/2007, 01:30 AM

what is the link to your phone gallery- assuming it is online

lessthanlights · 01/31/2007, 08:50 PM

well that was quick- she killed my new black clown- sad day. i'll be trying again soon . . . .

colby · 02/01/2007, 12:10 AM

Bummer sorry to hear that...

No, the pic is not online it is on my phone. I think there should be a way to text it to an email address in which case it could then be posted online...

OR, if anyone here lives in SL,UT (he..he...he..) the store I went to is called Fish 4 U, it would be awesome if you could shoot over there and grab a pic for us...

Tetra84 · 04/30/2012, 11:09 AM

i'm going to revive this thread because i'm curious about it..

I've got a regular vanilla orange Ocellaris and a black Ocellaris both as juveniles, and they area already hanging out alot. Anyone have a pic of any offspring from this combo?

rhinonm · 05/09/2012, 08:07 PM

I just had a black osc and a true perc lay eggs. I should try to raise these!

12/23/2006, 08:30 PM	#1
lessthanlights Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Duluth, MN Posts: 606	Breeding ocellaris and black ocellaris question. I want to breed my 3 year old female Ocellaris Clown with a Black Ocellaris Clown. What would the resulting offspring be- black, regular, black and regular, or a mix? http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...atId=1114&cc=1

12/24/2006, 01:46 AM	#3
Peter Schmiedel Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Brussels, Belgium Posts: 1,628	Matt, want me to contact Wolfgang Mai and try to get his statenment? __________________ Have a nice day Peter Current Tank Info: 300g main tank, several others

12/24/2006, 10:46 AM	#5
David M Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Diego ( La Mesa) Posts: 2,831	This has been asked several times here and we still don't really have a solid answer. We have got everything from "some black, some normal" to "all muddy brown". I have a mixed pair like that but so far no spawns. I am tempted to switch out the normal for another b&w but my curiosity is getting the best of me, I haven't done it yet and probably won't. Just curious, for you science guys, what would you call the offspring? Certainly not a "hybrid" since they are one species. __________________ These are my rotifers. Without my rotifers I am nothing. Without me my rotifers are nothing. Current Tank Info: 125 Caribbean theme folr, 800 gallon breeding system w/ mostly clownfish.

12/24/2006, 11:07 AM	#7
slojmn Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Napa, CA. Posts: 4,625	I asked this question a few weeks ago here and got the same kind of responses, not really sure. My pair regularly spawns and I may just go ahead and try it this spring, one to see if I can even do it and two to see what the results would be...curiosity as well . I have the opposite as you a Darwin black ocellaris female and a regular ocellaris male, at least that was the overall consensus from my pictures...I was not sure what my pair consisted of. __________________ Play hard and respect all living beings. Current Tank Info: 120g Starphire Cube, 30g nanoreef

01/30/2007, 05:43 PM	#12
oxkisses12ox Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Key West Posts: 353	i have two clowns in my tank... they were not bought as a pair, but one is female and one is male... how do i know if they will breed? i really want them to breed but how do i get them to? __________________ 14 Gallon Biocube Plate Coral 2 serpent stars 2 hermits and 4 snails 1 cleaner shrimp 2 false clowns 1 horseshoe crab water : nirates nitrite amonia = 0 PH 8.2 temp 79 calc 400 Current Tank Info: 14 gallon biocube

12/23/2006, 10:22 PM	#2
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	That's an interesting question that I've not heard a definite answer on. The two main answers -> somone here knows someone who has a pair consisting of Reg Ocellaris + Black Ocellaris and claims that the resulting offspring turn out like one or the other parent. The other source I've found would suggest that the offspring are a "continuum" from one parent to the other (W. Mai in Corals Magazine, the Clownfish Issue, is roughly quoted as saying the resultant offspring producing "interesting results"). FWIW, Matt

12/24/2006, 11:03 AM	#6
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	Actually David, if we were dealing with Cichlids...breeders would still consider the fish hybrids, even though it's a hybrid between races...i.e. Breeding 6 Stripe and 7 Stripe Frontosa together...that's definitely a hybrid... Matt

12/24/2006, 11:12 AM	#8
mwp Moved On Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,637	It may be worth trying just once to get several babies to take pics because this question seems to come up again and again. I haven't done a thorough/exhaustive search, but I haven't come up with any pictures of hybrid offspring when I went looking for them.

12/24/2006, 10:37 PM	#9
colby Moved On Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 297	I suppose we could call them "Intraspecific Hybrids"....

01/30/2007, 01:56 AM	#11
lessthanlights Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Duluth, MN Posts: 606	I purchased a small black ocellaris on Saturday and am happy to report they have takin a liking to each other. We'll see what happens in the up coming months.

01/30/2007, 06:33 PM	#13
David M Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Diego ( La Mesa) Posts: 2,831	Soft lights, a good merlot and Barry on the stereo. Works on my wife anyway Or you could just maintain pristine water conditions, temps above 80, regular light cycle, no disturbances and feed them to saturation with a high quality and varied diet. That never worked on Mrs M but the fish do seem to respond. __________________ These are my rotifers. Without my rotifers I am nothing. Without me my rotifers are nothing. Current Tank Info: 125 Caribbean theme folr, 800 gallon breeding system w/ mostly clownfish.

01/31/2007, 01:20 AM	#14
colby Moved On Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 297	I just got back from Sundance Film f\Festival and while there I couldn't resist the urge to go check out the lfs... Well, while in there I noticed two really cool looking clowns from across the room. In their display tank they have a pair of Ocellaris that were a result of a Darwin x regular cross. They were very beautiful to say the least. The female basically looked like a very large juvie black o. in that she had a jet black body with orange underside and face. The male on the other hand looked almost like a regular Ocellaris with very very heavy black around the fins and bars. If anyone can tell me how to post a pic from my phone gallery I will be happy to put em up...

01/31/2007, 01:30 AM	#15
lessthanlights Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Duluth, MN Posts: 606	what is the link to your phone gallery- assuming it is online

01/31/2007, 08:50 PM	#16
lessthanlights Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Duluth, MN Posts: 606	well that was quick- she killed my new black clown- sad day. i'll be trying again soon . . . .

02/01/2007, 12:10 AM	#17
colby Moved On Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 297	Bummer sorry to hear that... No, the pic is not online it is on my phone. I think there should be a way to text it to an email address in which case it could then be posted online... OR, if anyone here lives in SL,UT (he..he...he..) the store I went to is called Fish 4 U, it would be awesome if you could shoot over there and grab a pic for us...

04/30/2012, 11:09 AM	#18
Tetra84 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 321	i'm going to revive this thread because i'm curious about it.. I've got a regular vanilla orange Ocellaris and a black Ocellaris both as juveniles, and they area already hanging out alot. Anyone have a pic of any offspring from this combo? __________________ Fate is like a strange, unpopular restaurant filled with odd waiters who bring you things you never asked for and don't always like. Current Tank Info: 57 Gal Rimless Reef

05/09/2012, 08:07 PM	#19
rhinonm Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rio Rancho NM USA Posts: 302	I just had a black osc and a true perc lay eggs. I should try to raise these!