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11/25/2011, 09:01 PM | #1 |
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Kole Tang - Scales Gone From Scratching/Rubbing?
My kole tang seemed to be scratching a couple days after cupramine was introduced to the quarantine tank, however has not done it since. I have noticed though, that what appears to be the spot where it was scratching, is now "rouged up" as you can see in the picture. It scratched itself on the "Y" portion of the pvc pipe. Just want to know if this is possible from scratching against pvc fixtures? There has been no scratching since and it is eating well.
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Hard to say really. That spot could be from scratching and could be developing into an infection. I also seem to remember that certain internal parasites can cause spots like that but I'm not 100% on that. I would wait until you get some sort of consensus before you treat though. Hopefully others will chime in.
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Currently I am treating with Cupramine and was going to use PraziPro next, but I don't want to use them at the same time - even though people have.
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could be bacterial
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How do you know if it is bacterial?
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Also - his mouth appears to have a tiny white-fluffy piece dangling from the top lip on the inside of the mouth. Similar to this picture I found here - except not nearly as extreme. It only has one or two strands near the top left of its mouth.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...n/IMG_1441.jpg
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bacterial infections are usually diagnosed by the presence of lesions on the skin. the fuzzy stuff on the mouth is probably a fungus.
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Do you think I should buy Maracyn 1/2 based on the first picture? I will upload a video soon.
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If the white stuff around his mouth has already gone away then I would hold off on the Maracyn 1 & 2. Although you may end up needing it if that spot from your first post gets worse and develops into a bacterial infection. There's just no way to be 100% certain what's causing that spot. IMO Prazi is one of the safest meds there is to use and I've used it concurrently many times with Cupramine. So, I would absolutely recommend using it, either with or after the Cupramine treatment. The potential benefits far outweigh any risks. |
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Doesn't PraziPro only treat tube/fluke/tape though? I'm not sure I understand the reason for using Prazi - if we don't know if the Kole tang has tube/flukes/tapes etc.. Or are you saying Prazipro will help with this mark on its side?
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PraziPro treats most internal parasites/worms and there's a possibility that the mark/rash on your Tang is a secondary symptom of that. And Prazi is so safe to use that you'll find a lot of people on here use it prophylactically. So, from my way of thinking, it's best to start with the least intrusive med (Prazi) and if that doesn't solve the problem then go with something more aggressive (antibiotics). Sometimes you get lucky. |
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Alright. I will use prazipro after the month long cupramine. Tang isn't taking to the nori. Eats frozen and flake readily though. Only eats the nori when it's churned up into bits in the water column.
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Ugh - I am having more problems. Someone please chime in - notice the difference around the top part of the eye and down the lateral line of the fish - it looks more black now - almost like a dirty scruff burn mark. The fish is also scratching more - though I am changing 5 1/4 gallons every 2-3 days with the .5 mg/l of cupramine.
Please compare my first photo with these new pics/video attached:
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I'm starting to think your Tang might have HLLE. Check out these links:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/koledis.htm http://www.wetwebmedia.com/hllefaqs.htm |
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I am maintaining good water quality and add vitamins to everything I feed? Hmmm
Edit: Diet consists of home made mix - shrimp, squid, clam, oyster, "seafood mix" blended with mysis shrimp (its what the package says although it should be MYSID not mysis), blood worms, brine shrimp with spiruluna, and nori clips, plus pellet and flake - I soak it all in boyd vitamin-c. Sigh.
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I have Prazipro I could use...
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I guess I will continue with Cupramine for the time being - since it is scratching like crazy now. The ich must of taken hold during the first few days I had them in QT without copper and as I was slowly adding it. Now that the cyst is on the fish - the parasite only dies in its free swimming stage, which will be when it comes off the fish and goes to find a place to hatch, that will be when the copper kills it?
Once cupramine is done with - I will use prazipro. I am a bit leary on the freshwater dip at this point - don't want to add more stress to it, since prazi can take care of that in the QT. What do you think?
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