Blue Ring

puka · 08/27/2008, 10:25 PM

Was just wondering if anyone have a blue ringed octopus also and how is it doing in you tank.

puka · 08/29/2008, 04:37 PM

i don't know how to post a pic here of my blue ring but you can see it at my gallery

Jojoyojimbi · 08/31/2008, 07:33 AM

like this

Reefmad97 · 08/31/2008, 07:41 AM

Hold on, wait, wait, wait, heres just one question; ARE YOU INSANE!? A BLUE RINGED OCTO CAN KILL YOU! I'm talking to you JojoyoJimbl

tigerarmy40 · 08/31/2008, 07:51 AM

that is puka's octo...he ust posted the pic for him!

Jojoyojimbi · 08/31/2008, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reefmad97
Hold on, wait, wait, wait, heres just one question; ARE YOU INSANE!? A BLUE RINGED OCTO CAN KILL YOU! I'm talking to you JojoyoJimbl

i'm not crazy, i only have a vulgaris, but i would keep a blue ring, it's not like it's going to crawl out of the tank, up the stairs and into bed and bite my toe in the middle of the night

lots of people keep lots of dangerous pets that are a lot less interesting than a blue ring is

Animal Mother · 08/31/2008, 09:44 AM

A lot of people keep octopuses that are just as interesting and not deadly. It very well could escape. It very well could bite an uninformed house guest.

It's a serious liability and not seeing it as such is irresponsible.

They don't ship well and the only time they show their beautiful coloration is when they are ****ed.

Animal Mother · 08/31/2008, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jojoyojimbi
lots of people keep lots of dangerous pets that are a lot less interesting than a blue ring is

Lots of people are candidates for the Darwin awards too.

puka · 08/31/2008, 03:10 PM

the blue ring is a interesting octopus hehe

Reefmad97 · 09/01/2008, 01:10 PM

Actually Jojoyojimbl it could crawl out of the tank because I know this guy (dunno what his name is) who had an octopus an it crawled out of it's tank and in the morning, he found it dead in his bed. The same could happen with a blue ring octo.

RyanMcLaughlin · 09/02/2008, 02:08 AM

Wasnt there a guy on here who posted that his blue ring bit him and he was on the way too the hospital or something?

holdorf333 · 09/02/2008, 08:11 AM

Would you say the same thing about a large boa?

Animal Mother · 09/02/2008, 02:52 PM

A large boa's a bit easier to see, and not venomous/poisonous, and doesn't pour its body through small holes like liquid.

I used to own a boa. Always kept my pocket knife handy just in case.

I like pets I can handle. Part of the thrill of having an octopus (for me) is the physical interaction.

AD87 · 09/03/2008, 06:31 PM

These guys are not as bad as everyone thinks. The problem is getting a wholesaler that will import them in, its very tricky and hard. They actually are a very easy octopus to care for they stay small and as long as you keep them fed there happy, just short lived mine live for 6 mts back in 03. I think there life span is only 8-13 mts.

Side note when you add food to the tank ghost shrimp the rings on the octopus actually glow and start to pulse.

Animal Mother · 09/03/2008, 07:29 PM

I don't think they're bad. I just think encouraging their captivity isn't good in an open forum where less than qualified potential owners get bad ideas.

There are qualified people, and then there are irresponsible people. Many, many more people fit the latter description. Not to mention they just don't ship well. A handful out of 50 might survive, and a handful of the survivors might thrive.

AD87 · 09/03/2008, 07:46 PM

I agree animal mother, I dont visit tonmo much anymore but use to visit and was a member a few years back.

Are they even legally aloud to import these species anymore.

Animal Mother · 09/03/2008, 08:32 PM

Yup, and let's hope they don't put a ban on them either. A ban on them would most likely mean a ban on imported marine specimens of any threatening nature, which would include scorpionfish, etc.

This is why it's important that we are extremely careful with the choices we make and the animals we keep. A few bad reports and complaints could put a serious damper on our hobby.

StripestheEel · 09/04/2008, 10:48 PM

As long as the right procedures and precautions are taken.

I can see a less experienced reefer buying one, and leaving their kids unattended.

These guys are found in rock pools over my way, gotta keep an eye on your kids at the local beaches.

"Look at the pretty blue colours!"

baitshopboy · 09/07/2008, 07:46 AM

How deadly are these things? How quick do you die? Since they are native to your area does your hospital have a way to treat a wound if you get bit. Something about having a pet that could kill me I'm not comfortable with. If my local hospital had a vaccine that might be different but here in Chicago...... I doubt they carry octopuss vacines.

philter4 · 09/07/2008, 09:54 AM

There is no known antidote, but there is a treatment procedure. If bitten they put you on artificial respratory and heart machine until about 24 hours. After the poison works it's way out of your system most make a full recovery. The octopus venom is more dangerous to children and adults with low body weight, but can kill any person it bites.

As far as keeping the animal, as long as you know the dangers and take precautions to minimise your exposure it is up to an individual to decide. I have been a collector of animals all of my life, I used to keep and breed venomous snakes (my favorite was cobras) and all of my adult life I've kept big cats (my favorite is a serval which is small, but I like them) but I understand what the potential dangers are. I keep these animals because, just like some of you who love octopus, I am fascinated by the group as a whole. I understand the problems, the animals are not on display, they are caged so even if they get out of the main display they are isolated and can't just get out into an area where they can be a danger. The people who keep them to be able to say I have a cobra, wanna watch it kill something, are the people who AnimalMother was talking about winning a Darwin award. Most of my snakes have never been seen by anyone who isn't in the hobby or doesn't have a working knowledge of what they are looking at, it just isn't worth the risk.

Gonodactylus · 09/08/2008, 12:42 PM

There are only a handful (5)of documented cases where an individual was killed by a blue-ring. Those deaths were caused by at least three different species. Our research shows that there is considerable variation by species, population and individual regarding how much TTX an individual contains. This can vary according to age, sex, time in captivity, etc. Furthermore, the delivery system of the TTX is passive. The venom is not injected so a bite may deliver no venom or quite a bit. Given that it isn't possible to know in advance how much TTX a bite would deliver, it is best to treat all blue-rings with respect.

TTX usually does not affect heart muscle, so no heart machine. Ventilation is often required, however.

Roy

AD87 · 09/08/2008, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gonodactylus
There are only a handful (5)of documented cases where an individual was killed by a blue-ring. Those deaths were caused by at least three different species. Our research shows that there is considerable variation by species, population and individual regarding how much TTX an individual contains. This can vary according to age, sex, time in captivity, etc. Furthermore, the delivery system of the TTX is passive. The venom is not injected so a bite may deliver no venom or quite a bit. Given that it isn't possible to know in advance how much TTX a bite would deliver, it is best to treat all blue-rings with respect.

TTX usually does not affect heart muscle, so no heart machine. Ventilation is often required, however.

Roy

Well said

puka · 09/10/2008, 11:38 PM

here's a new pic

Jojoyojimbi · 09/13/2008, 07:42 AM

they are an attractive species you have to give them that

Animal Mother · 09/13/2008, 08:56 AM

Especially when they're angry.

08/27/2008, 10:25 PM	#1
puka Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SF, CA Posts: 162	Blue Ring Was just wondering if anyone have a blue ringed octopus also and how is it doing in you tank.

08/31/2008, 07:33 AM	#3
Jojoyojimbi Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Boynton Beach Posts: 597	like this __________________ My tank was electrocuted when the lights fell in, I'm only keeping Freshwater now Current Tank Info: Electrocuted my saltwater when lights broke, only fresh now

08/31/2008, 07:41 AM	#4
Reefmad97 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Hurstbourne Tarrant Posts: 24	Hold on, wait, wait, wait, heres just one question; ARE YOU INSANE!? A BLUE RINGED OCTO CAN KILL YOU! I'm talking to you JojoyoJimbl __________________ "Killing for things is good but dying for things is bad" My Mother Current Tank Info: 280 gallons

08/31/2008, 07:51 AM	#5
tigerarmy40 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: central ca Posts: 1,831	that is puka's octo...he ust posted the pic for him! __________________ The power of moonlight Current Tank Info: 90g rimless tank in the makes and a 15g nano

08/31/2008, 09:44 AM	#7
Animal Mother Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 452	A lot of people keep octopuses that are just as interesting and not deadly. It very well could escape. It very well could bite an uninformed house guest. It's a serious liability and not seeing it as such is irresponsible. They don't ship well and the only time they show their beautiful coloration is when they are ****ed. __________________ "You might not believe it but under fire Animal Mother is one of the finest human beings in the world. All he needs is someone to throw hand grenades at him for the rest of his life." - Full Metal Jacket Current Tank Info: 60 gallon cube, w/ 30 gallon sump, octopus-proof lid. Dry for now.

08/29/2008, 04:37 PM	#2
puka Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SF, CA Posts: 162	i don't know how to post a pic here of my blue ring but you can see it at my gallery

08/31/2008, 03:10 PM	#9
puka Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SF, CA Posts: 162	the blue ring is a interesting octopus hehe

09/01/2008, 01:10 PM	#10
Reefmad97 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Hurstbourne Tarrant Posts: 24	Actually Jojoyojimbl it could crawl out of the tank because I know this guy (dunno what his name is) who had an octopus an it crawled out of it's tank and in the morning, he found it dead in his bed. The same could happen with a blue ring octo. __________________ "Killing for things is good but dying for things is bad" My Mother Current Tank Info: 280 gallons

09/02/2008, 02:08 AM	#11
RyanMcLaughlin Moved On Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Anaheim Posts: 982	Wasnt there a guy on here who posted that his blue ring bit him and he was on the way too the hospital or something?

09/02/2008, 08:11 AM	#12
holdorf333 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 120	Would you say the same thing about a large boa?

09/02/2008, 02:52 PM	#13
Animal Mother Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 452	A large boa's a bit easier to see, and not venomous/poisonous, and doesn't pour its body through small holes like liquid. I used to own a boa. Always kept my pocket knife handy just in case. I like pets I can handle. Part of the thrill of having an octopus (for me) is the physical interaction. __________________ "You might not believe it but under fire Animal Mother is one of the finest human beings in the world. All he needs is someone to throw hand grenades at him for the rest of his life." - Full Metal Jacket Current Tank Info: 60 gallon cube, w/ 30 gallon sump, octopus-proof lid. Dry for now.

09/03/2008, 06:31 PM	#14
AD87 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,819	These guys are not as bad as everyone thinks. The problem is getting a wholesaler that will import them in, its very tricky and hard. They actually are a very easy octopus to care for they stay small and as long as you keep them fed there happy, just short lived mine live for 6 mts back in 03. I think there life span is only 8-13 mts. Side note when you add food to the tank ghost shrimp the rings on the octopus actually glow and start to pulse. __________________ Antonio H Magnificia or bust.

09/03/2008, 07:29 PM	#15
Animal Mother Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 452	I don't think they're bad. I just think encouraging their captivity isn't good in an open forum where less than qualified potential owners get bad ideas. There are qualified people, and then there are irresponsible people. Many, many more people fit the latter description. Not to mention they just don't ship well. A handful out of 50 might survive, and a handful of the survivors might thrive. __________________ "You might not believe it but under fire Animal Mother is one of the finest human beings in the world. All he needs is someone to throw hand grenades at him for the rest of his life." - Full Metal Jacket Current Tank Info: 60 gallon cube, w/ 30 gallon sump, octopus-proof lid. Dry for now.

09/03/2008, 07:46 PM	#16
AD87 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,819	I agree animal mother, I dont visit tonmo much anymore but use to visit and was a member a few years back. Are they even legally aloud to import these species anymore. __________________ Antonio H Magnificia or bust.

09/03/2008, 08:32 PM	#17
Animal Mother Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 452	Yup, and let's hope they don't put a ban on them either. A ban on them would most likely mean a ban on imported marine specimens of any threatening nature, which would include scorpionfish, etc. This is why it's important that we are extremely careful with the choices we make and the animals we keep. A few bad reports and complaints could put a serious damper on our hobby. __________________ "You might not believe it but under fire Animal Mother is one of the finest human beings in the world. All he needs is someone to throw hand grenades at him for the rest of his life." - Full Metal Jacket Current Tank Info: 60 gallon cube, w/ 30 gallon sump, octopus-proof lid. Dry for now.

09/04/2008, 10:48 PM	#18
StripestheEel Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 351	As long as the right procedures and precautions are taken. I can see a less experienced reefer buying one, and leaving their kids unattended. These guys are found in rock pools over my way, gotta keep an eye on your kids at the local beaches. "Look at the pretty blue colours!" __________________ Fried or battered? Current Tank Info: 7'x5'x2.2' SPS Reef

09/07/2008, 07:46 AM	#19
baitshopboy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In a van down by the river, IL Posts: 189	How deadly are these things? How quick do you die? Since they are native to your area does your hospital have a way to treat a wound if you get bit. Something about having a pet that could kill me I'm not comfortable with. If my local hospital had a vaccine that might be different but here in Chicago...... I doubt they carry octopuss vacines.

09/07/2008, 09:54 AM	#20
philter4 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: sunrise fl Posts: 1,497	There is no known antidote, but there is a treatment procedure. If bitten they put you on artificial respratory and heart machine until about 24 hours. After the poison works it's way out of your system most make a full recovery. The octopus venom is more dangerous to children and adults with low body weight, but can kill any person it bites. As far as keeping the animal, as long as you know the dangers and take precautions to minimise your exposure it is up to an individual to decide. I have been a collector of animals all of my life, I used to keep and breed venomous snakes (my favorite was cobras) and all of my adult life I've kept big cats (my favorite is a serval which is small, but I like them) but I understand what the potential dangers are. I keep these animals because, just like some of you who love octopus, I am fascinated by the group as a whole. I understand the problems, the animals are not on display, they are caged so even if they get out of the main display they are isolated and can't just get out into an area where they can be a danger. The people who keep them to be able to say I have a cobra, wanna watch it kill something, are the people who AnimalMother was talking about winning a Darwin award. Most of my snakes have never been seen by anyone who isn't in the hobby or doesn't have a working knowledge of what they are looking at, it just isn't worth the risk. __________________ Life is short, buy fish Current Tank Info: 1 fish and 1 reef new 24 gal current nano

09/08/2008, 12:42 PM	#21
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	There are only a handful (5)of documented cases where an individual was killed by a blue-ring. Those deaths were caused by at least three different species. Our research shows that there is considerable variation by species, population and individual regarding how much TTX an individual contains. This can vary according to age, sex, time in captivity, etc. Furthermore, the delivery system of the TTX is passive. The venom is not injected so a bite may deliver no venom or quite a bit. Given that it isn't possible to know in advance how much TTX a bite would deliver, it is best to treat all blue-rings with respect. TTX usually does not affect heart muscle, so no heart machine. Ventilation is often required, however. Roy

09/10/2008, 11:38 PM	#23
puka Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SF, CA Posts: 162	here's a new pic

09/13/2008, 07:42 AM	#24
Jojoyojimbi Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Boynton Beach Posts: 597	they are an attractive species you have to give them that __________________ My tank was electrocuted when the lights fell in, I'm only keeping Freshwater now Current Tank Info: Electrocuted my saltwater when lights broke, only fresh now

09/13/2008, 08:56 AM	#25
Animal Mother Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 452	Especially when they're angry. __________________ "You might not believe it but under fire Animal Mother is one of the finest human beings in the world. All he needs is someone to throw hand grenades at him for the rest of his life." - Full Metal Jacket Current Tank Info: 60 gallon cube, w/ 30 gallon sump, octopus-proof lid. Dry for now.