Berlin-Reef 2.0 - Page 5

reefmutt · 01/25/2018, 03:40 PM

Ouch!! That’s where all the nutrients are.. yuck..
Do you run an algae fuge??

berlin-riff · 01/25/2018, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefmutt

Ouch!! That’s where all the nutrients are.. yuck..
Do you run an algae fuge??

Hey matt, yes but it’s hard to see all the brown and greene slime
I dont use a algae fuge..

reefmutt · 01/25/2018, 06:27 PM

That’s tough..
I would have suggested turning the lights off for a week and running a fuge..
curious to know how you will tackle this problem.
Good luck!

Mr.Fishtank · 01/25/2018, 08:03 PM

Damn that sucks. Love the build tho.

You said that you lost all your corals? I would try sucking out as much of that crap as I could while doing a water change. Turn the lights off for 3-4 days but on the 3 day do a really large wc. Like as much as you can without stressing the fish out too much. That should help. Then raise your fixture up a lot to reduce the par for a few weeks.

It may take some time but if it works, it will be worth it.

berlin-riff · 01/26/2018, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefmutt

That’s tough..
I would have suggested turning the lights off for a week and running a fuge..
curious to know how you will tackle this problem.
Good luck!

Hey Matt, I try this

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fishtank

Damn that sucks. Love the build tho.

You said that you lost all your corals? I would try sucking out as much of that crap as I could while doing a water change. Turn the lights off for 3-4 days but on the 3 day do a really large wc. Like as much as you can without stressing the fish out too much. That should help. Then raise your fixture up a lot to reduce the par for a few weeks.

It may take some time but if it works, it will be worth it.

Hey Mr.

Yes I will make 2 water changes in the next week and will try it.

reefmutt · 01/26/2018, 08:55 AM

Have you checked your ro unit? It’s all up to date a producing 0tds water?

berlin-riff · 01/26/2018, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefmutt

Have you checked your ro unit? It’s all up to date a producing 0tds water?

Yeah that was my Second idea... but everything is okay

berlin-riff · 01/27/2018, 03:52 PM

so first water change is done!
I brush all the "dead" algae and cyano from the rocks and suck it out of the tank. tomorrow I will change the next 60 liter and will clean the sand in the tank.

I order the Fauna Marin Professional reef salt
The Schuran Jetstream 1 CA reactor is not in use.. because I sold it and I will change to Fauna Marin Balling Light... later I will add some supplements from Fauna Marin.
Will see what happened and I want a new System, so I decide, that the tank doesn't run Korallenzucht Zeo... I did it in my last 2 tanks over the years.

But first, I try to fix all the problems I have at the moment.

janci · 01/27/2018, 11:03 PM

Wow Dennis, I did not expect to see this. So sorry but it are just algae which are feeding and blooming on something in your tank.
as already suggested, clean them off as much as possible and change the water.
With this much of algae, no wonder your NO3 and PO4 are all zero.
Are you running carbon?

berlin-riff · 01/28/2018, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janci

Wow Dennis, I did not expect to see this. So sorry but it are just algae which are feeding and blooming on something in your tank.
as already suggested, clean them off as much as possible and change the water.
With this much of algae, no wonder your NO3 and PO4 are all zero.
Are you running carbon?

Hey janci, yes i use carbon. I Change it today.

DesertReefT4r · 01/28/2018, 06:35 PM

Large water changes while removing as much algae as possible. Increase nutrient export and decrease nutrient import. All the slim aglae on the rock may be due to lack of flow in the tank, increase water flow. Black the tank out for 3-5 days. Running a fuge, algae scurbber or a chaeto reactor. Carbon dosing or gfo and carbon will help as well but that falls into the nutrient exportAll of these will help you solve your issues.

berlin-riff · 01/29/2018, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DesertReefT4r

Large water changes while removing as much algae as possible. Increase nutrient export and decrease nutrient import. All the slim aglae on the rock may be due to lack of flow in the tank, increase water flow. Black the tank out for 3-5 days. Running a fuge, algae scurbber or a chaeto reactor. Carbon dosing or gfo and carbon will help as well but that falls into the nutrient exportAll of these will help you solve your issues.

thanks for the tipps... will try everything step by step, to see which one works

DesertReefT4r · 01/29/2018, 09:41 PM

Just keep at at it and dont gibe up. Newer tanks tank time to fully settle in. Take things fairly slow but dont be afraid of the water changes.

nopa86 · 02/02/2018, 04:48 AM

Hey Dennis,

I had the same problems with NO3 Po4 zero and green cyanos. Had great sucsess with A-Balance von Korallenzucht.

All Cyanos where gone after 3 days as written in the description of the product.

berlin-riff · 04/09/2018, 12:59 PM

hey guys, little update from Berlin...
what can I say

only problems since November!

Salifert:
PO4: n.n.
No3: between 10 and 50 don't know (today I think its 5)
Ca: 440
KH 8,5
1.024
MG 1380

nothing has change here the last few month. Only NO3

I do a lot of water changes and try to get the F**** algae Cyanos and Dinos out of the tank.
November: put 12 sps frags in the tank. everything has looking great. But then after a few weeks, the drama began. All frags went white. After this the tank is brown green dark brown and all over the rocks and the sand are beauutiifuulll

Greene cyanos.

at first I thought it was low PO4 und NO4 (n.n.) the test results show me this opp.
So i dose Sangokai to handle the lvl. That doesn't work.
Then I try to dimm the ATI hybrid for a while. That doesn't work.
I also put snails in.
Then I put the BK off, I thought the system is to clean

That doesn't work.
I also shut down the zeofilter. (I think thats was a mistake) today I ordered new KZ stones and start the filter this week again.

I start to dose Fauna Marin Reef Therapy, Ultra Bak and Reef Blend. (stop dosing Sangokai) NO3 is now around 5...
I also put live rock in the tank to bring some new bacteria in the system. That doesn't work.

Now I will try to clean the tank with Zeo and carbon as I do it in my old 2 tanks.

In the last month Dinos all over 4 SPS...
ok you see, Its not realy funny here for me. But I will do my best to get the system clean and healthy.

here are some pictures for you guys

berlin-riff · 04/09/2018, 01:02 PM

and here at the best time.... after brushing and cleaning

reefmutt · 04/09/2018, 01:13 PM

That SUCKS Dennis..

That algae is clearly absorbing all of the po4 that the tank is producing..
Are you running any gfo anymore?

reefmutt · 04/09/2018, 01:22 PM

Actually I have another question.. what is sangokai

janci · 04/09/2018, 11:52 PM

Dennis, that is a lot of trouble you are dealing with.
Hope you get through this.

Maybe an ICP test from a water sample can give more insight?

gatf4 · 04/10/2018, 10:24 PM

Dennis i love your tank. Its going to be beautiful when you get it figured.

What is the ph at? Do you have a Ph monitor or Apex? Try to drive the PH higher with Kalk or Co2 scrubber and see if that helps limit the Algae growth.

In my tank everything seems to do better with higher PH 8.1 or higher. I had constant trouble with Algae and then I bought an Apex and saw that even though my Red Sea kit showed what i thought was 8.1- 8.2 on the card it was actually 7.9 dipping to 7.75 before the lights came back on.

I drove the ALk up to 10 which helped get ph higher and then added a Co2 scrubber which boosted my ph over 8.1 and then ALk and Calcium usage took off and I had to go from using almost no 2 part to 100ml of ALk and 60 ml calcium additive a day. Almost overnight I notice Coraline growth pick up and all my corals looking healthier. Even My tang looks more healthy and colorful.
IMO the higher PH even helps the good bacteria and Zeo system work better as I've been able to cut way back on my Carbon dosing with almost no rise in PO4.

I suspect the Carbon was one of the reasons for the low PH.

Good luck

Tim

berlin-riff · 04/11/2018, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefmutt

Actually I have another question.. what is sangokai

Hey Matt, here for you (sangokai): http://sangokai.org/?lang=en

Quote:

Originally Posted by janci

Dennis, that is a lot of trouble you are dealing with.
Hope you get through this.

Maybe an ICP test from a water sample can give more insight?

Hey janci, I will do ICP in the next weeks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatf4

Dennis i love your tank. Its going to be beautiful when you get it figured.

What is the ph at? Do you have a Ph monitor or Apex? Try to drive the PH higher with Kalk or Co2 scrubber and see if that helps limit the Algae growth.

In my tank everything seems to do better with higher PH 8.1 or higher. I had constant trouble with Algae and then I bought an Apex and saw that even though my Red Sea kit showed what i thought was 8.1- 8.2 on the card it was actually 7.9 dipping to 7.75 before the lights came back on.

I drove the ALk up to 10 which helped get ph higher and then added a Co2 scrubber which boosted my ph over 8.1 and then ALk and Calcium usage took off and I had to go from using almost no 2 part to 100ml of ALk and 60 ml calcium additive a day. Almost overnight I notice Coraline growth pick up and all my corals looking healthier. Even My tang looks more healthy and colorful.
IMO the higher PH even helps the good bacteria and Zeo system work better as I've been able to cut way back on my Carbon dosing with almost no rise in PO4.

I suspect the Carbon was one of the reasons for the low PH.

Good luck

Tim

Hey Tim, thanks for you words!

This is the next step I want to try. But first I check the PH. But this can be a fact for the Problems.

I dont use Apex or other for PH control. I think you are right with your tipps. I will use a co2 scrubber soon.

gatf4 · 04/11/2018, 08:47 PM

I feel i've turned the corner with my tank with the higher PH and now with more patience i'll be in good shape.

If you can, I would sklp the CO2 scrubber due to cost and implement Kalk Dosing instead but the Kalk may be harder and slower to dial in especially with SPS. Be prepared for a noticeable drop in Alk and Calcium readings as demand goes up with the higher
ph.

I only had a BRS CO2 scrubber cartridge full of media last me 3 days when I first put it online. I made a giant scrubber out of Pvc pipe which I estimate may last me three weeks at a cost of $45 for the media. There are cheaper places to purchase the media but I'm going to switch to Kalk and use 2 part for any larger adjustments.

I'll be following along with your tank.

berlin-riff · 04/13/2018, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatf4

I feel i've turned the corner with my tank with the higher PH and now with more patience i'll be in good shape.

If you can, I would sklp the CO2 scrubber due to cost and implement Kalk Dosing instead but the Kalk may be harder and slower to dial in especially with SPS. Be prepared for a noticeable drop in Alk and Calcium readings as demand goes up with the higher
ph.

I only had a BRS CO2 scrubber cartridge full of media last me 3 days when I first put it online. I made a giant scrubber out of Pvc pipe which I estimate may last me three weeks at a cost of $45 for the media. There are cheaper places to purchase the media but I'm going to switch to Kalk and use 2 part for any larger adjustments.

I'll be following along with your tank.

hey

thank you for your words! I will do it

berlin-riff · 05/03/2018, 01:35 PM

hey little update...
i dimmed the light for 2 Weeks...
and give the BK a bit more power.
After that, I made a big Waterchange (120l) with the water of a friends tank!

Since 1 week the lamp has its normal setting. No cyanos no Dinos.. nothing! Now its clean, like we all love it

I add
1 leucosternon
1 centropyge loricula
5 Sphaeramia nematoptera
1 chelmon rostratus
to bring more bio in it (NO3 and PO4)

I also installed a new deBary UV-25W. as far as it look good... hope the tank is now ready for some SPS and LPS frags to start it, like we all want to.

Now I test the pH to see if I need a CO2 Skimmbreeze...at the moment I use JBL.. ;/ but not so easy to ident the color .. it could be 7,5

janci · 05/10/2018, 03:39 AM

Dennis
good to hear about the turn of events.
Back on track to greatness!!!

01/25/2018, 03:40 PM	#101
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	Ouch!! That’s where all the nutrients are.. yuck.. Do you run an algae fuge?? __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

01/25/2018, 06:27 PM	#103
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	That’s tough.. I would have suggested turning the lights off for a week and running a fuge.. curious to know how you will tackle this problem. Good luck! __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

01/26/2018, 08:55 AM	#106
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	Have you checked your ro unit? It’s all up to date a producing 0tds water? __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

01/27/2018, 03:52 PM	#108
berlin-riff Berlin SPS-Junky Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Berlin Posts: 271	so first water change is done! I brush all the "dead" algae and cyano from the rocks and suck it out of the tank. tomorrow I will change the next 60 liter and will clean the sand in the tank. I order the Fauna Marin Professional reef salt The Schuran Jetstream 1 CA reactor is not in use.. because I sold it and I will change to Fauna Marin Balling Light... later I will add some supplements from Fauna Marin. Will see what happened and I want a new System, so I decide, that the tank doesn't run Korallenzucht Zeo... I did it in my last 2 tanks over the years. But first, I try to fix all the problems I have at the moment. __________________ Greetings from Berlin Dennis

01/28/2018, 06:35 PM	#111
DesertReefT4r Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Mesa Az Posts: 771	Large water changes while removing as much algae as possible. Increase nutrient export and decrease nutrient import. All the slim aglae on the rock may be due to lack of flow in the tank, increase water flow. Black the tank out for 3-5 days. Running a fuge, algae scurbber or a chaeto reactor. Carbon dosing or gfo and carbon will help as well but that falls into the nutrient exportAll of these will help you solve your issues. __________________ Tank history 29g tropical ,55g cichlid tank, 20H softy reef, 29g mixed reef, 20H brackish goby & puffer tank, 55g mixed reef, 6g Nanocube softy lps reef, 40B sps reef, 75g sps reef, 75g sps reef in bu Current Tank Info: 75g sps reef build in the works.

01/25/2018, 08:03 PM	#104
Mr.Fishtank Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 275	Damn that sucks. Love the build tho. You said that you lost all your corals? I would try sucking out as much of that crap as I could while doing a water change. Turn the lights off for 3-4 days but on the 3 day do a really large wc. Like as much as you can without stressing the fish out too much. That should help. Then raise your fixture up a lot to reduce the par for a few weeks. It may take some time but if it works, it will be worth it.

01/27/2018, 11:03 PM	#109
janci Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UAE - Dubai Posts: 167	Wow Dennis, I did not expect to see this. So sorry but it are just algae which are feeding and blooming on something in your tank. as already suggested, clean them off as much as possible and change the water. With this much of algae, no wonder your NO3 and PO4 are all zero. Are you running carbon?

01/29/2018, 09:41 PM	#113
DesertReefT4r Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Mesa Az Posts: 771	Just keep at at it and dont gibe up. Newer tanks tank time to fully settle in. Take things fairly slow but dont be afraid of the water changes. __________________ Tank history 29g tropical ,55g cichlid tank, 20H softy reef, 29g mixed reef, 20H brackish goby & puffer tank, 55g mixed reef, 6g Nanocube softy lps reef, 40B sps reef, 75g sps reef, 75g sps reef in bu Current Tank Info: 75g sps reef build in the works.

02/02/2018, 04:48 AM	#114
nopa86 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 11	Hey Dennis, I had the same problems with NO3 Po4 zero and green cyanos. Had great sucsess with A-Balance von Korallenzucht. All Cyanos where gone after 3 days as written in the description of the product.

04/09/2018, 12:59 PM	#115
berlin-riff Berlin SPS-Junky Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Berlin Posts: 271	hey guys, little update from Berlin... what can I say only problems since November! Salifert: PO4: n.n. No3: between 10 and 50 don't know (today I think its 5) Ca: 440 KH 8,5 1.024 MG 1380 nothing has change here the last few month. Only NO3 I do a lot of water changes and try to get the F**** algae Cyanos and Dinos out of the tank. November: put 12 sps frags in the tank. everything has looking great. But then after a few weeks, the drama began. All frags went white. After this the tank is brown green dark brown and all over the rocks and the sand are beauutiifuulll Greene cyanos. at first I thought it was low PO4 und NO4 (n.n.) the test results show me this opp. So i dose Sangokai to handle the lvl. That doesn't work. Then I try to dimm the ATI hybrid for a while. That doesn't work. I also put snails in. Then I put the BK off, I thought the system is to clean That doesn't work. I also shut down the zeofilter. (I think thats was a mistake) today I ordered new KZ stones and start the filter this week again. I start to dose Fauna Marin Reef Therapy, Ultra Bak and Reef Blend. (stop dosing Sangokai) NO3 is now around 5... I also put live rock in the tank to bring some new bacteria in the system. That doesn't work. Now I will try to clean the tank with Zeo and carbon as I do it in my old 2 tanks. In the last month Dinos all over 4 SPS... ok you see, Its not realy funny here for me. But I will do my best to get the system clean and healthy. here are some pictures for you guys __________________ Greetings from Berlin Dennis

04/09/2018, 01:02 PM	#116
berlin-riff Berlin SPS-Junky Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Berlin Posts: 271	and here at the best time.... after brushing and cleaning __________________ Greetings from Berlin Dennis

04/09/2018, 01:13 PM	#117
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	That SUCKS Dennis.. That algae is clearly absorbing all of the po4 that the tank is producing.. Are you running any gfo anymore? __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

04/09/2018, 01:22 PM	#118
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	Actually I have another question.. what is sangokai __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

04/09/2018, 11:52 PM	#119
janci Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UAE - Dubai Posts: 167	Dennis, that is a lot of trouble you are dealing with. Hope you get through this. Maybe an ICP test from a water sample can give more insight?

04/10/2018, 10:24 PM	#120
gatf4 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 20	Dennis i love your tank. Its going to be beautiful when you get it figured. What is the ph at? Do you have a Ph monitor or Apex? Try to drive the PH higher with Kalk or Co2 scrubber and see if that helps limit the Algae growth. In my tank everything seems to do better with higher PH 8.1 or higher. I had constant trouble with Algae and then I bought an Apex and saw that even though my Red Sea kit showed what i thought was 8.1- 8.2 on the card it was actually 7.9 dipping to 7.75 before the lights came back on. I drove the ALk up to 10 which helped get ph higher and then added a Co2 scrubber which boosted my ph over 8.1 and then ALk and Calcium usage took off and I had to go from using almost no 2 part to 100ml of ALk and 60 ml calcium additive a day. Almost overnight I notice Coraline growth pick up and all my corals looking healthier. Even My tang looks more healthy and colorful. IMO the higher PH even helps the good bacteria and Zeo system work better as I've been able to cut way back on my Carbon dosing with almost no rise in PO4. I suspect the Carbon was one of the reasons for the low PH. Good luck Tim

04/11/2018, 08:47 PM	#122
gatf4 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 20	I feel i've turned the corner with my tank with the higher PH and now with more patience i'll be in good shape. If you can, I would sklp the CO2 scrubber due to cost and implement Kalk Dosing instead but the Kalk may be harder and slower to dial in especially with SPS. Be prepared for a noticeable drop in Alk and Calcium readings as demand goes up with the higher ph. I only had a BRS CO2 scrubber cartridge full of media last me 3 days when I first put it online. I made a giant scrubber out of Pvc pipe which I estimate may last me three weeks at a cost of $45 for the media. There are cheaper places to purchase the media but I'm going to switch to Kalk and use 2 part for any larger adjustments. I'll be following along with your tank.

05/03/2018, 01:35 PM	#124
berlin-riff Berlin SPS-Junky Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Berlin Posts: 271	hey little update... i dimmed the light for 2 Weeks... and give the BK a bit more power. After that, I made a big Waterchange (120l) with the water of a friends tank! Since 1 week the lamp has its normal setting. No cyanos no Dinos.. nothing! Now its clean, like we all love it I add 1 leucosternon 1 centropyge loricula 5 Sphaeramia nematoptera 1 chelmon rostratus to bring more bio in it (NO3 and PO4) I also installed a new deBary UV-25W. as far as it look good... hope the tank is now ready for some SPS and LPS frags to start it, like we all want to. Now I test the pH to see if I need a CO2 Skimmbreeze...at the moment I use JBL.. ;/ but not so easy to ident the color .. it could be 7,5 __________________ Greetings from Berlin Dennis

05/10/2018, 03:39 AM	#125
janci Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UAE - Dubai Posts: 167	Dennis good to hear about the turn of events. Back on track to greatness!!!