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But so does Randy Holmes-Fraley and since he is such a fan has written Ozone in the Reef Aquarium, Part ! Ozone Part II Ozone Part III which covers it better than most books and saves me a ton of writing. Almost forgot- ORP in the Reef Aquarium
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Well setting up an automated ozonator system is a fairly steep investment and done wrong it can create problems for the tank and even possibly people living in the house. Randy tells how to do it right so it is worth a little time doing a some homework.
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"Ozone also has a dark side. When reacted with seawater, ozone produces a variety of highly oxidized halogens such as BrOH and BrO3-. If the ozone produced oxidants are not largely removed with activated carbon, they may enter the aquarium and be hazards to the most sensitive organisms in the aquarium (which are likely eggs or early stage larvae)." http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-03/rhf/index.php thanks for the link wk
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Those two were one of the first few articles I read on here even before I ran into Paul B's thread. I forgot about that second one on ORP so thanks for the links. |
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BTW, I have moved the ozonizer back to 50% as there didn't seem to be much of a difference and I do feel safer at that level and was the planned level to be at in the beginning. I probably wont touch it again until after the initial cycle is finally finished. Probably be about another month or so. I do think the GHA growth has peaked. BTW, I have identified the type of GHA as the ever so lovely firn like bryopsis which is probably why the Blenny doesn't want to eat it but ever so helpfully is cleaning off my rock work. |
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I used to run carbon along with my ozonizer like was always thought to be necessary but now I am spiting Waterkeeper and not using any carbon
As was said my tank is an experiment and I have been running ozone for the entire time my tank was set up. Lately I do not run much carbon but I do run the return water through an algae trough. I don't know if that has any effects on anything that the ozone is manufacturing but if it has not happened by now, I doubt it will happen soon. I have a problem with running too much carbon although I do run it occasionally. It seems I spend a lot of time collect NSW and speaking of the benefits so I would rather not remove some of the good qualities of the NSW with carbon. When I run carbon, I do so before a water change to eliminate substances that ozone will not remove. Then after I put in NSW I want those qualities to stay in the tank for a while. I don't know if that makes any sence but I used to run much more carbon and I don't see any difference. I keep the stuff on hand in case the water had an odor or a color I don't like. Sometimes I do have to run my NSW through it if I collect it in the Sound and it looks funky like my socks I keep my ozonator cranked up as high as it will go. If there is anything in the water at all, ozone will be used up. But then I have that 5' algae trough. Ozone has no chance to get through that being it is filled with all sorts of algae even some cyano. Any residual ozone making it to there would be used up instantly in the process of oxidizing algae which of course is organic. I think my system of large amounts of Ozone along with the algae trough (and of course a RUGF) is the best way to go. After all with 40 years of experimenting I think I got it right. It may all be BS but it is what it is and doesn't just work, it works with hardly any maintenance. I need a lot of time to take ladies out on the boat and don't have time to change carbon.
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I still have a hard time figuring out what balance of organics I need in the water since my display tank is totally lps corals but at the same time 4 anemonies. I gradually leaning toward more anemonies too. I did do a 30 percent water change the other day but that was the first since June. As I have stated before the corals have done beautifully. I have always run carbon 24/7 as I feel it does a good job of getting rid of coral toxins esp with the leathers that I have in my tank. I have an oversized skimmer, a remote deep sand bed and two refugiums. Am a really going to see what advantage in running ozone in my system. BTW Randy states the other reason for running carbon along with ozone is for your protection as it can absorb ozone before escaping to the atmosphere
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Right on about the smell but not everybody can smell it. It seems that a small percentage of people, for some reason or the other, are unable to detect it even at fairly high concentrations. Although the chance is remote, they could encounter some lung damage if they were to place their nose directly over a skimmer that was venting ozone into the air at the discharge. I have never heard of anyone being harmed by using it but I figured I throw in the safety warning to cover my behind. Kind of like the warning on lighters that tell you it contains a flammable gas.
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Good advice, sometimes I find my Mother N Law sleeping with her nose right on the top of the skimmer. Also don't use the ozone hose to clean wax out of your ears or burn the hairs out of your nose. Also if you can't smell Ozone, find a different hobby, maybe picking up cigarette butts or collecting rare pictures of Paris Hilton with clothes on. Quote:
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Exactly, Paul has learned something over the years.
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Scott, they are talking about particulate matter not dissolved organics. Ozone only attacks dissolved materials and corals do not absorb those directly. They do capture particles that pass by and I think that is what the lps people are talking about.
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Jason---how are you setup to run ozone?
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My final setup: maxijet 900 in aquarium ---> skimmer ---> refugium whisper 60 airpump full open w/ silicone air line ---> ozonizer ---> ozone safe one way check valve ---> 3" wood airstone placed through the top of the skimmer down into the middle of the skimmer body. Should be some pictures abovewith the air stone. Edit: just quoted the post below with the airstone setup. Got the salt and phosphate test kit in and did a quick test. 12:15pm Tests (actinic lighting just turned on at 12) Temp: 79.6 SG: 34 pH: 7.8 ORP: 164 Nitrate: 0 !!!!! WOOP !!! Phosphate: 0 Algae should start going way at some point here. |
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Excellent job so far! I really love how you refinished the original setup like a new beginning, very symbolic! The seahorse handles are definite keepers as well.
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BTW, that GHA is getting browner and browner. Mainly right down the center of it and spreading out more and more. Plus I think I had a diatom bloom over the weekend as I did notice a brown coating on areas that didn't have algae covering it but it's almost all gone now.
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Here's some visual aids to what I've been talking about.
The brownish center is spreading out nicely on most all of the algae in there now. Used ot be all light green. [IMG]http://i30.*******.com/sxeoug.jpg[/IMG] Here's about a day of skimmer production. Flash seems to have lightened up the liquid. In person it looks darker. [IMG]http://i29.*******.com/2s14y8i.jpg[/IMG]
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