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07/20/2012, 01:06 PM | #26 | |
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Reed Roids have plankton and probably similar quality. I've tried it and didn't see any problems with algae yet. I prefer Reef Roids. I would think the problem is in the wet part of the product. They must add something as a preservative too. Do you remember what AlgaGen product you fed the anthias? Grandis. |
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Frozen mysis have less broken bodies and more nutrients to the fishes. They do add phosphates to the system as well! I've tried Reef Roids after reading about it here in the forum and can't agree more with you guys. One of the best foods I've offered to my zoas!!!! They do respond fast to them and really makes a difference with the growth, color and the general looking of the zoas!! Really good quality food!! I personally look at target feeding as the main reason, besides basic equipment and maintenance, that some of my zoas have been growing and showing their colors, abilities and behaviors very close to what we see in the ocean. Grandis. |
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I've tried phytoplankton before and it didn't make much difference on my zoanthids but added lots of phosphates to the water and gave me lots of headaches with the algae, so I stopped. I feed the whole tank in a week and take my time as my schedule allows. You can target feed half of the polyps one day and the other half another day in a week period. That would help. Some people target feed 1/4 of the tank 4 times a week. I enjoy feeding them and it's rewarding so I fit my schedule around it. They don't need much food anyway. Remember that they can fit only so much in their tiny guts. Please don't forget to turn off the pumps and allow the food to be dropped o them. Spraying them will force them to react and close, not necessarily grabbing the food and swallowing it to digest. Some polyps take a while to close with the food particles, like some smaller Zoanthus spp., but eventually they will. Make sue the fishes and shrimps aren't stilling from the polyps. If the food has quality (taste, right size and nutrients) for them they will ingest, digest it and you'll see results soon. Good luck and enjoy!! Grandis. |
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I'll be taking a look for sure. Grandis. |
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I don't know... Maybe most people don't have time for target feeding anymore or they don't believe in it really? Some people condemn target feeding without trying it, which is sad. There are some tips that we need to follow and the time to spend, but results are obvious. We are still learning about the best way and the best foods for our zoas, but can already see how important it is. My schedule now is crazy busy, but I'll try my best to come back here and learn some more... Thanks MUCHO! Grandis. |
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The articles are great and I just love the videos also!!! It confirms many of my observations with zoas in captivity and in the ocean. Also my observations while feeding the zoas in the tank, such as the 3 week+ period after first feeding to see results, zooplankton does a better job than phytoplankton, and the need of proper food particles in association with the quality of light and water. Those points (and more!!!) are exposed brilliantly in the article simply to show us how important is target feeding, light and water quality for corals in general. Those great explanations are well applicable to zoanthids' keeping, of course. For sure would be great if everyone here would stop for a while to read those papers and begin to believe in target feeding as I and some others do. I really appreciate your post, Jarred1!! Great contribution to my understanding and this thread!!! Hope to hear from many after this. Am I the only one excited here? Cheers, Grandis. |
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So I've got so time today and decided to search some...
Found this while searching the web... Red Sea Reef Energy. Features: No unnecessary or organic material is introduced in the system. RE-A: 1. Carbs 2. Amino acids 3. Fatty acids 4. Protein flocks RE-B: 1. Vitamins 2. Marine amino acids. All from marine sources (RE-B). The product seems to have all we would look for our zoas also. They were formulated for SPS corals but I believe that zoas would take some advantage. Please let me know if you had the chance to try them and their effects on zoas... I like the "coral yummy" part, showing the fish food! They should tease the fish poop too! Both can contribute to absorption, but indirectly. Also would be interesting to try the four coloration program products (minor and trace elements). There is a need to test the params often, as we know, and it can get kinda expensive. Not that necessary when we do our partial water changes. Grandis. Last edited by A. Grandis; 07/23/2012 at 12:54 AM. |
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I also broadcast feed my tank and the only foods I have tried are rotifeast and oyster feast but going to order rhe reef roids and maybe something else just not sure what yet. Any suggestions. I will also try to target feed each colony.
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If you want to get other good food you can offer them Coral Frenzy. Some say Reef Chili is great, but I didn't try that yet. Make sure you turn off the pumps and drop a small tiny amount of the food over the polyps. Make sure the fishes don't attack them because it must taste good!!! Fishes love it too! Try to feed them only what they consume. Once a week is more than enough. Keep skimmer and maintenance including partial water changes. Let us know ... Grandis. |
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Thank you for the great advice grandis I will order some today.
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My pleasure!
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I just had to post this cute video for us: feeding the corals!
Two of the best artificial coral foods I've tried. I actually use much more powder of the foods when I feed my own polyps and I don't blow on them, but let the powder fall over the zoas. I never add the shrimps and I feed one type of food at a time, once a week. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gm1p...hannel&list=UL Many thanks to IridescentLily for it! You have a nice clean set up there! Grandis. Last edited by A. Grandis; 07/26/2012 at 05:57 PM. |
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Hey Grandis thanks for posting the link to that video very helpful.
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Thanks iridecentlily for making the video great info.
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Try to target feed with pumps off when you do it. Some times I turn off the skimmer too. Remember to drop the food on the polyps, not to squirt it on them. Maybe they will take a while to grab it at the first. And once a week is enough. You can try to feed them at night, like some people do. I feed my zoas with lights on. Have fun and please let us know how that goes!!! Grandis. |
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And I don't know why I didn't post this link before:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1896006 Enjoy!! Grandis. Last edited by A. Grandis; 07/30/2012 at 11:20 PM. |
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I finally got some reef roids and coral frenzy. I am using the roids first. I shut off pumps just like you said and gently pushed some over top and the all took it gonna do this once a week and will see if it helps growth and color. Thanks again grandis for all the help.
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You're very welcome!
They all close with the food inside and ingest/digest the particles, as you will notice. I'm glad you got the foods and you'll be too!! Go slow and try to offer only what they consume. I give you less than 2 weeks to begin to see more vibrant colors on robust polyps. They will start to reproduce and take off after a while. They love Coral Frenzy just like Reef Roids. I wish more people could post about their feeding experiences here. Grandis. |
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Here I go again:
Another thread I started in the past: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2180156 Article posted by 650-IS350: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-03/cj/index.php Thread where he posted the article: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2204557 Just to keep up with the info... Grandis. |
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Coral farming: effects of light, water motion and artificial foods, by Robert Toonen:
http://www.researchgate.net/publicat...tificial_foods Grandis. |
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Thank you for reviving this thread. Awesome information and observations. I will be following and I have a lot of reading in my tabs right now. Please keep it coming.
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Hopefully others will post some of their observations and links here too.
Thanks for the boost, zoafarm!! I'm getting Reef Chili sometime this week, probably by Wednesday, and will finally try that out!! Grandis. |
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Ok, got through most of the reading...not all, but something struck me as I was reading.
"During sunset, the free zooplankton concentration rises quickly, as these animals migrate to the water column. This causes a rise in copepod (500-700 μm) concentration which is five times higher compared to daytime levels!" http://www.coralscience.org/main/art...ow-corals-feed The article goes on to mention that the enemy of hobbyist feeding live zooplankton is heavy skimming during this higher concentration of copepods...although it does reinforce the necessity of the skimmer. Have you fed live zooplankton? Currently, my skimmer is always running. I was thinking of taking it off-line for two hours at night. Do you think this would have a negative effect? After reading this thread, I'm switching to Reef Roids for a while. I hope this thread stays alive. I've gained so much valuable information. Although everyone has different observations, they are much better than opinions. |
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Alright!
Got my ReefChili last week and tried yesterday. Great product! Simply packed and smells wonderful!! I like the little spoon that came with it and the option of the bottle to squirt. There is yeast in it and I think that is what made my skimmer to go a little crazy at the beginning. There is fish fat too among other good stuff. Target fed, as aways, with powerheads off and left the return running this time. Offered to the polyps and had a great response from all of them. I fed the PEs and smaller ones. Even my tiny ones too. I didn't use the bottle provided. Instead, I used one of my smaller droppers to let particles fall on the polyps, like I normally do. No pressure on them. Some of the particles are kinda large for some smaller zoas, but they did grab the smaller particles and ingested. After turning powerheads on, the polyps that I didn't feed were grabbing particles from the water column. That never happened with other artificial coral foods I've used before. At least not so much! Nice to see all those guys grabbing the food around! Fishes went crazy and were trying to get the food from the polyps. You know how fishes are!!! Of course it's just too early for me to tell you how good the food will do to the polyps, but I expect the food to be one of the best, if not the very best in the market after reading the article that I've posted here initially. I'll keep feeding only Reef Chili for a month and see if it makes any difference. If you already have any positive feedback from your polyps after using Reef Chili for couple of months or more please share here, would you please? Keep ZOAing!!! Grandis. |
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