I need help with SPS diseases!!

alan_bessa · 03/03/2010, 06:35 AM

Hello,

I´m getting some problems with my SPS and I can´t identify what diseases is that and what is the right treatment to that.

Below I put some pictures to show the problems

Any help should be great!

Thanks

plyle02 · 03/03/2010, 07:29 AM

AEFW bite marks IMO...

borcu · 03/03/2010, 08:02 AM

Aefw.

CleveYank · 03/03/2010, 10:31 AM

If you have some betadyne handy (usually easier to get than revive unless your SPS vendor is right around the block)?

Take 6ml of betadyne and 1000ml of tank water in a clear container.
(I use a clear container so I can light up the container with a powerful flashlight and inspect the betadyne for the AEFW with magnifying glass.)
Take out the coral and use a baster to puff water medium power all over the coral. You will see flat scrolling worms come off. .1 to .9 cm in length. The betadyne is absorbed by them and they become the orange of the betadyne.
This very quickly yet complete and in 45 seconds. Do not soak the coral in the betadyne it will brown out and or kill the coral.
Rinse with system water, inspect with magnifying glass for little tiny olive green to brownish eggs. Scrape them off of the dead tissue with an exacto blade (usually right at the receding edges or bottoms of the coral) rinse and place back in the system. Done in this qucik dip fashion I was able to dip even my most delicate SPS every week.

The 6 line wrasse stuff and basting the system manually all the time is all just a maintenance step.
And you will still have them in the system and removal of all acros from the system into another quarantine and letting them expire clear in 6 to 8 weeks in the main display is the ONLY complete way to know you got rid of them.

Also, melev's website has some information on some fluke medication that he used by Jungle brand.
(Note he used FLUKE Medication and NOT flatworm medication to rid the AEFW....But that's another story.)
Google his website for that recipe. Like revive not as handy unless fish store is right down the block that stocks it. Since you will most likely have to dip them a 2 or more times that would be a good next step over the betadyne unless you can get the "special" fluke medicine ASAP. The betadyne is available at almost any CVS or Walmart.

Good luck.

jcal · 03/03/2010, 02:54 PM

The first picture doesn't look like it has oval bitmarks...the rest, kind of hard to tell, but it may be AEFW...

luther1200 · 03/03/2010, 08:15 PM

It might be AEFW but it kind of looks different IME. Usually they are like a spotted line going right across the coral. This looks like clusters of something. But it could be. I used CoralRx to kill AEFW and it worked great. I would either dip 1 of them in CoralRx or Revive and see if any fall off.

RRaider · 03/03/2010, 11:33 PM

That's exactly what my corals looked like when I had AEFW.

alan_bessa · 03/04/2010, 06:37 AM

First of all, thank you for the answers!!!

Well, I was thinking that could be really AEFW, (my first option), but I can´t see any bugs and eggs on the corals.

I agree with luther1200 when he said that is little different:

"It might be AEFW but it kind of looks different IME. Usually they are like a spotted line going right across the coral. This looks like clusters of something. But it could be. "

(My second option)I was thinking if could be some related disease bacterial infeccion, because the "clusters of something" it´s like a little sponge that don´t move by itself. Last weekend I tried the revive to see if any fall off, but I can´t see any thing. I stopped with Vodka just to make sure that carbon source isn´t the problem.

I have many SPS on this aquarium, but I getting problems just with the Nasuta, Baby Blue and Valida. Any Millepora that I have show up the problem and looks fine.

(My third option) Could be related with Bailling Method. Because a started it two weeks ago and my Alkalinity was at 6 and now was at 11 and PH was 8.2 and now 8.5. Today I stopped and I´m just applying Kallwasser.

Thanks

happysak · 03/04/2010, 10:25 AM

Do you vodka dozing? I had same sponge looking blisters on my acro,
when I was dozing with Vodka. They went away after I stoped.

cwegescheide · 03/04/2010, 10:41 AM

+1 on AEFW..

RRaider · 03/04/2010, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alan_bessa

First of all, thank you for the answers!!!

Well, I was thinking that could be really AEFW, (my first option), but I can´t see any bugs and eggs on the corals.

I agree with luther1200 when he said that is little different:

"It might be AEFW but it kind of looks different IME. Usually they are like a spotted line going right across the coral. This looks like clusters of something. But it could be. "

(My second option)I was thinking if could be some related disease bacterial infeccion, because the "clusters of something" it´s like a little sponge that don´t move by itself. Last weekend I tried the revive to see if any fall off, but I can´t see any thing. I stopped with Vodka just to make sure that carbon source isn´t the problem.

I have many SPS on this aquarium, but I getting problems just with the Nasuta, Baby Blue and Valida. Any Millepora that I have show up the problem and looks fine.

(My third option) Could be related with Bailling Method. Because a started it two weeks ago and my Alkalinity was at 6 and now was at 11 and PH was 8.2 and now 8.5. Today I stopped and I´m just applying Kallwasser.

Thanks

You need to do more research on aefw. Most never see them until they pull the coral out of the tank, dip it in something like revive and then blow them off with a turkey baster. Valida is one of the acros that aefw seems to prefer.

121 · 03/04/2010, 11:13 AM

I think I can see 4 or 5 flatworms in pics 3 and 4. Their munching away around the area where the branches meet.

sanababit · 03/04/2010, 04:30 PM

i really can't tell if its aefw or not, lets not jump the gun here guys, i have seen this before and it could be waste from the coral itself, or a nipper (bicolor blenny, flame angel), i been there, to make sure its not aefw do as others suggest, get the coral out and dip, good luck

sana

SDguy · 03/04/2010, 06:14 PM

Doesn't quite look like AEFW to me either... snap off a branch and dip, as recommended, to find out. I personally would just dip a branch in FW to find out for sure. Looks like you have plenty of coral to spare. IME AEFW will fall off within seconds of hitting FW.

I once had weird "stuff" on my coral like you are seeing, see pics below... there was a thread about it in this forum too.

Weird stuff:

AEFW:

luther1200 · 03/04/2010, 07:39 PM

I agree with SDguy, they really don't look like AEFW to me. You can see in his picture the clear bite marks.

Here is some pictures of the eggs.

Here is that whole branch.

Here is were the STN started at the base

Here is another picture of the eggs. Its not a good close up, but you can easily see them all around the base of the frag.

alan_bessa · 03/06/2010, 01:10 PM

Hi,

I did the revive medication today but I can't see any bugs (just some planarias that I have on substrate) and I didn't see any eggs too. Below I put some new pictures during the medication and after medication. I clean the "sponge" that I saw on the coral and then I could see a hole!!!

Thanks!!!

With Revive

alan_bessa · 03/06/2010, 01:10 PM

After Revive

luther1200 · 03/06/2010, 01:26 PM

I have never seen a hole like that. Does anybody know what causes that?

03/03/2010, 06:35 AM	#1
alan_bessa Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4	I need help with SPS diseases!! Hello, I´m getting some problems with my SPS and I can´t identify what diseases is that and what is the right treatment to that. Below I put some pictures to show the problems Any help should be great! Thanks

03/03/2010, 07:29 AM	#2
plyle02 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake Helen, FL Posts: 5,526	AEFW bite marks IMO... __________________ Perry "Anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die" ~Buddha~ Current Tank Info: 50 Gallon AIO Cube, Aquamaxx WS-1 Skimmer, LED/ Hybrid 4x24 watt t5

03/03/2010, 10:31 AM	#4
CleveYank 20 Years and Over Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 3,052	If you have some betadyne handy (usually easier to get than revive unless your SPS vendor is right around the block)? Take 6ml of betadyne and 1000ml of tank water in a clear container. (I use a clear container so I can light up the container with a powerful flashlight and inspect the betadyne for the AEFW with magnifying glass.) Take out the coral and use a baster to puff water medium power all over the coral. You will see flat scrolling worms come off. .1 to .9 cm in length. The betadyne is absorbed by them and they become the orange of the betadyne. This very quickly yet complete and in 45 seconds. Do not soak the coral in the betadyne it will brown out and or kill the coral. Rinse with system water, inspect with magnifying glass for little tiny olive green to brownish eggs. Scrape them off of the dead tissue with an exacto blade (usually right at the receding edges or bottoms of the coral) rinse and place back in the system. Done in this qucik dip fashion I was able to dip even my most delicate SPS every week. The 6 line wrasse stuff and basting the system manually all the time is all just a maintenance step. And you will still have them in the system and removal of all acros from the system into another quarantine and letting them expire clear in 6 to 8 weeks in the main display is the ONLY complete way to know you got rid of them. Also, melev's website has some information on some fluke medication that he used by Jungle brand. (Note he used FLUKE Medication and NOT flatworm medication to rid the AEFW....But that's another story.) Google his website for that recipe. Like revive not as handy unless fish store is right down the block that stocks it. Since you will most likely have to dip them a 2 or more times that would be a good next step over the betadyne unless you can get the "special" fluke medicine ASAP. The betadyne is available at almost any CVS or Walmart. Good luck. Last edited by CleveYank; 03/03/2010 at 10:37 AM.

03/03/2010, 08:15 PM	#6
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,376	It might be AEFW but it kind of looks different IME. Usually they are like a spotted line going right across the coral. This looks like clusters of something. But it could be. I used CoralRx to kill AEFW and it worked great. I would either dip 1 of them in CoralRx or Revive and see if any fall off. __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.

03/04/2010, 04:30 PM	#13
sanababit Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Uranus Posts: 3,094	i really can't tell if its aefw or not, lets not jump the gun here guys, i have seen this before and it could be waste from the coral itself, or a nipper (bicolor blenny, flame angel), i been there, to make sure its not aefw do as others suggest, get the coral out and dip, good luck sana __________________ Senior Member of the "Hardly any Water Changes, Temp Swinging, T5ing, No Qtining, Frag Exchanging for Fish Food Current Tank Info: 90RR inwall, Octopuss Skimmer, 2 MP40 wQD, 1 MP10 WQD, 2 Radions G4 Pro, Apex Doser, Apex Controller, 400w heater, 30 Gal Sump, Biopellets, Carbon, Gfo, Macroalgae

03/03/2010, 08:02 AM	#3
borcu bordox Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 315	Aefw.

03/03/2010, 02:54 PM	#5
jcal Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Temecula, CA 92592 Posts: 117	The first picture doesn't look like it has oval bitmarks...the rest, kind of hard to tell, but it may be AEFW...

03/03/2010, 11:33 PM	#7
RRaider Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 703	That's exactly what my corals looked like when I had AEFW.

03/04/2010, 06:37 AM	#8
alan_bessa Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4	First of all, thank you for the answers!!! Well, I was thinking that could be really AEFW, (my first option), but I can´t see any bugs and eggs on the corals. I agree with luther1200 when he said that is little different: "It might be AEFW but it kind of looks different IME. Usually they are like a spotted line going right across the coral. This looks like clusters of something. But it could be. " (My second option)I was thinking if could be some related disease bacterial infeccion, because the "clusters of something" it´s like a little sponge that don´t move by itself. Last weekend I tried the revive to see if any fall off, but I can´t see any thing. I stopped with Vodka just to make sure that carbon source isn´t the problem. I have many SPS on this aquarium, but I getting problems just with the Nasuta, Baby Blue and Valida. Any Millepora that I have show up the problem and looks fine. (My third option) Could be related with Bailling Method. Because a started it two weeks ago and my Alkalinity was at 6 and now was at 11 and PH was 8.2 and now 8.5. Today I stopped and I´m just applying Kallwasser. Thanks

03/04/2010, 10:25 AM	#9
happysak Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: okc Posts: 1,898	Do you vodka dozing? I had same sponge looking blisters on my acro, when I was dozing with Vodka. They went away after I stoped.

03/04/2010, 10:41 AM	#10
cwegescheide YOU have been ignored! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 5,231	+1 on AEFW..

03/04/2010, 11:13 AM	#12
121 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 476	I think I can see 4 or 5 flatworms in pics 3 and 4. Their munching away around the area where the branches meet.

03/04/2010, 06:14 PM	#14
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	Doesn't quite look like AEFW to me either... snap off a branch and dip, as recommended, to find out. I personally would just dip a branch in FW to find out for sure. Looks like you have plenty of coral to spare. IME AEFW will fall off within seconds of hitting FW. I once had weird "stuff" on my coral like you are seeing, see pics below... there was a thread about it in this forum too. Weird stuff: AEFW: __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT.

03/04/2010, 07:39 PM	#15
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,376	I agree with SDguy, they really don't look like AEFW to me. You can see in his picture the clear bite marks. Here is some pictures of the eggs. Here is that whole branch. Here is were the STN started at the base Here is another picture of the eggs. Its not a good close up, but you can easily see them all around the base of the frag. __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.

03/06/2010, 01:10 PM	#16
alan_bessa Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4	Hi, I did the revive medication today but I can't see any bugs (just some planarias that I have on substrate) and I didn't see any eggs too. Below I put some new pictures during the medication and after medication. I clean the "sponge" that I saw on the coral and then I could see a hole!!! Thanks!!! With Revive

03/06/2010, 01:26 PM	#18
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,376	I have never seen a hole like that. Does anybody know what causes that? __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.