**former thread of the month** Rebuilding the Reef - Log of a 90 Gallon Restarted - Page 10

melev · 01/11/2005, 11:43 PM

That looks awesome, and taking full tank shots is tough! I was concerned when you told me you had added 50 corals, but since you mean 50 future colonies I'm happy for you.

Purple Haze · 01/12/2005, 12:12 AM

Nice

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 06:58 AM

Thanks - yeah, it's all about the frags.

Kip · 01/12/2005, 06:58 AM

looks like the cup and brain are getting use to their old home again rather speedily

keep an eye out for bleaching... going from two 75w vhos to a 400w hqi radium is a pretty big step

how about the frags... all of them keeping their tissue well?
getting any color change already?

looking good
good luck

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 08:24 AM

Thanks Kip - the color is doing great - none of the wild frags are doing much of anything and all the aquacultured stuff is holding well.

The cup and brain seem to stretch out for light with the PC's and 10k 175's but shrink back down when the 400Watter comes online. I'm keeping it on for 7 hours, with the 10k's on for 12 and the Actinics on for 14.

Everything seems to be good. I fixed the return flow with the locline splitter and finally got my testkits from custom aquatic. DKH was 8 and calcium was at least 500 (salifert kit maxes out at 500) I hit a half tablespoon of bicarb in there to hopefully balance it out a little.

I'll check it the same time tonight. I'm guessing it's a little more reasonable...

Kip · 01/12/2005, 08:34 AM

used oceanic to start the tank?
seems oceanic is getting higher and higher in Ca (it not a big deal on an established system and only doing water changes, but on a new one or one with light Ca load its a little worry-some)
that bi-carb (assuming its the bald guy with the large bicep) 1teas per 50g will raise dkh by 1 if ya didnt know... you may have read my blabber on this at maa w/devilboy.. but if not, he is in the same boat.... at any rate.. once that dkh hits about 11 and assuming you are adding no more Ca... you Ca will probably fall to 440ish (once again.. excuse the lesson if you already knew all of this)

what lights did Pi have over that tenius frag? I think i am managing to bleach mine a little. Otherwise its doing great... FPE and all.

Kip · 01/12/2005, 08:36 AM

oh yeah... and if you wanna go above 500 on that sali-kit... just read the syringe and add the result to 500 (would be a waste of test kit IMO... not like you can do anything more with a 550 reading than you can with a 500 reading)

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 08:41 AM

Yeah - I actually did read that blurb with eric. I figured a half table is about 1.5 teaspoons - just a slight bump. I'll keep bumping slowly until I'm where I should be.

Pi had 250W DE 14k bulbs. Not sure if there was any other supplement. They did spend a while in the bag - so that might be just stress related.. They are pretty frags huh?

Kip · 01/12/2005, 08:55 AM

awesome frag... i think i got the same species of tenius from chad.. it was a wildie though-went dark

hopefully this frag wont.. .and it shouldnt since captive raised

mine is basically a pearl color with blue ends and orange axials...its just fading a little... i have mine pretty high under 250w DEs AB 20ks

teaspoon is 5ml and a tablespoon is 15ml... bumping by 1dkh/day should be safe... i have gone up by 2dkh/day, but that was my own risk

(that and an "always on" milwaukee pH meter was talking to me the whole time )

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 10:33 AM

Yeah - I figured about 75 gallons of actual water. Maybe closer to 90 with my sump....

Always the side of caution...

Kip · 01/12/2005, 10:39 AM

yeah... ever get an accurate temp reading... i havent taken a reading with that handheld i used on your tank since i left your place... maybe i should do that tonite so you'd know if that 27*C was accurate

Kip · 01/12/2005, 10:43 AM

looking back.. what did we convert 27*C to in *F... was it 84???

i just used the converter here and it says 27*C = 80*F

(or was 27 even the reading we got on your tank?)

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 11:34 AM

pretty sure the reading was 29 - 84 degrees...

I'm relatively comfortable that I'm staying close to 80. I've been watching the 2 heaters and the Ebo doesn't go on generally (set to 77) and the Won Pro runs at night only (set to 79)

I'm not sure your temp probe is accurate... Then again, I have no idea.

Kip · 01/12/2005, 01:17 PM

i just tested that TDS/thermometer against my other tanks at lunch....

(other instruments include aqualogic temp controllers, won digital heaters, and an old school floating thermometer)

seems as if the TDS/thermometer i used on your water was off by 1*C which translates to 2-3*F

not that you seemed worried, but no need to wonder about my reading anymore.

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 01:19 PM

off in the high direction? IE: your 84 is actually 81? - I hope?!??

Kip · 01/12/2005, 01:24 PM

hah... breathe in.. breathe out.....

yeah.. it was high... you were actually running around 81 at the time of testing

thinking about it.... that meter should give a reading to at least 1 decimal.... there is a decent difference b/w 27 and 28*C... i never use that thing as a thermometer anyways

at any rate... its all good.... no worries

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 02:50 PM

Yeah - not worried. I'm probably one of the most "not worried" reefers out there...

Haven't even ordered a refractometer yet...

Kip · 01/12/2005, 02:53 PM

"not worried reefer"

i have more anxiety now than ever with tanks in the house

this hobby is supposed to be relaxing.. hah

maybe thats the wrong reefer hobby

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 03:08 PM

yeah - no kidding.

Working on that one..... it's harder to find than a cheap Lordhowensis...

Kip · 01/12/2005, 03:26 PM

dont you have some extra LOA lights sitting around?

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 03:29 PM

Yeah I do.... hmmmmm..... They're mangroves honey - yeah, that's it...

Kip · 01/12/2005, 03:33 PM

you oughtta be ashamed

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 03:35 PM

I'm too busy to be ashamed...

Kip · 01/12/2005, 03:37 PM

so when do you guys wanna have another suare

i have no idea how to spell "swah-ray"

Jamesurq · 01/12/2005, 03:38 PM

Kip - we're in the south - it's a hootenanny or a hoedown.

I guess though it would be in appropriate of me to ask you when you want to have your hoedown.... Your wife wouldn't appreciate it..>

01/12/2005, 06:58 AM	#229
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	looks like the cup and brain are getting use to their old home again rather speedily keep an eye out for bleaching... going from two 75w vhos to a 400w hqi radium is a pretty big step how about the frags... all of them keeping their tissue well? getting any color change already? looking good good luck __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 08:34 AM	#231
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	used oceanic to start the tank? seems oceanic is getting higher and higher in Ca (it not a big deal on an established system and only doing water changes, but on a new one or one with light Ca load its a little worry-some) that bi-carb (assuming its the bald guy with the large bicep) 1teas per 50g will raise dkh by 1 if ya didnt know... you may have read my blabber on this at maa w/devilboy.. but if not, he is in the same boat.... at any rate.. once that dkh hits about 11 and assuming you are adding no more Ca... you Ca will probably fall to 440ish (once again.. excuse the lesson if you already knew all of this) what lights did Pi have over that tenius frag? I think i am managing to bleach mine a little. Otherwise its doing great... FPE and all. __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 08:36 AM	#232
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	oh yeah... and if you wanna go above 500 on that sali-kit... just read the syringe and add the result to 500 (would be a waste of test kit IMO... not like you can do anything more with a 550 reading than you can with a 500 reading) __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 08:55 AM	#234
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	awesome frag... i think i got the same species of tenius from chad.. it was a wildie though-went dark hopefully this frag wont.. .and it shouldnt since captive raised mine is basically a pearl color with blue ends and orange axials...its just fading a little... i have mine pretty high under 250w DEs AB 20ks teaspoon is 5ml and a tablespoon is 15ml... bumping by 1dkh/day should be safe... i have gone up by 2dkh/day, but that was my own risk (that and an "always on" milwaukee pH meter was talking to me the whole time ) __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 10:39 AM	#236
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	yeah... ever get an accurate temp reading... i havent taken a reading with that handheld i used on your tank since i left your place... maybe i should do that tonite so you'd know if that 27*C was accurate __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/11/2005, 11:43 PM	#226
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	That looks awesome, and taking full tank shots is tough! I was concerned when you told me you had added 50 corals, but since you mean 50 future colonies I'm happy for you.

01/12/2005, 12:12 AM	#227
Purple Haze Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: TX Posts: 1,156	Nice

01/12/2005, 06:58 AM	#228
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Thanks - yeah, it's all about the frags.

01/12/2005, 08:24 AM	#230
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Thanks Kip - the color is doing great - none of the wild frags are doing much of anything and all the aquacultured stuff is holding well. The cup and brain seem to stretch out for light with the PC's and 10k 175's but shrink back down when the 400Watter comes online. I'm keeping it on for 7 hours, with the 10k's on for 12 and the Actinics on for 14. Everything seems to be good. I fixed the return flow with the locline splitter and finally got my testkits from custom aquatic. DKH was 8 and calcium was at least 500 (salifert kit maxes out at 500) I hit a half tablespoon of bicarb in there to hopefully balance it out a little. I'll check it the same time tonight. I'm guessing it's a little more reasonable...

01/12/2005, 08:41 AM	#233
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Yeah - I actually did read that blurb with eric. I figured a half table is about 1.5 teaspoons - just a slight bump. I'll keep bumping slowly until I'm where I should be. Pi had 250W DE 14k bulbs. Not sure if there was any other supplement. They did spend a while in the bag - so that might be just stress related.. They are pretty frags huh?

01/12/2005, 10:33 AM	#235
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Yeah - I figured about 75 gallons of actual water. Maybe closer to 90 with my sump.... Always the side of caution...

01/12/2005, 10:43 AM	#237
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	looking back.. what did we convert 27C to in F... was it 84??? i just used the converter here and it says 27C = 80F (or was 27 even the reading we got on your tank?) __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 11:34 AM	#238
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	pretty sure the reading was 29 - 84 degrees... I'm relatively comfortable that I'm staying close to 80. I've been watching the 2 heaters and the Ebo doesn't go on generally (set to 77) and the Won Pro runs at night only (set to 79) I'm not sure your temp probe is accurate... Then again, I have no idea.

01/12/2005, 01:17 PM	#239
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	i just tested that TDS/thermometer against my other tanks at lunch.... (other instruments include aqualogic temp controllers, won digital heaters, and an old school floating thermometer) seems as if the TDS/thermometer i used on your water was off by 1C which translates to 2-3F not that you seemed worried, but no need to wonder about my reading anymore. __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 01:19 PM	#240
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	off in the high direction? IE: your 84 is actually 81? - I hope?!??

01/12/2005, 01:24 PM	#241
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	hah... breathe in.. breathe out..... yeah.. it was high... you were actually running around 81 at the time of testing thinking about it.... that meter should give a reading to at least 1 decimal.... there is a decent difference b/w 27 and 28*C... i never use that thing as a thermometer anyways at any rate... its all good.... no worries __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 02:50 PM	#242
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Yeah - not worried. I'm probably one of the most "not worried" reefers out there... Haven't even ordered a refractometer yet...

01/12/2005, 02:53 PM	#243
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	"not worried reefer" i have more anxiety now than ever with tanks in the house this hobby is supposed to be relaxing.. hah maybe thats the wrong reefer hobby __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 03:08 PM	#244
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	yeah - no kidding. Working on that one..... it's harder to find than a cheap Lordhowensis...

01/12/2005, 03:26 PM	#245
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	dont you have some extra LOA lights sitting around? __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 03:29 PM	#246
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Yeah I do.... hmmmmm..... They're mangroves honey - yeah, that's it...

01/12/2005, 03:33 PM	#247
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	you oughtta be ashamed __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 03:35 PM	#248
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	I'm too busy to be ashamed...

01/12/2005, 03:37 PM	#249
Kip Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dropping 2, hitting 3 Posts: 2,495	so when do you guys wanna have another suare i have no idea how to spell "swah-ray" __________________ Sept'06 TOTM Taking a break from the hobby while we move to a new house.

01/12/2005, 03:38 PM	#250
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Kip - we're in the south - it's a hootenanny or a hoedown. I guess though it would be in appropriate of me to ask you when you want to have your hoedown.... Your wife wouldn't appreciate it..>