**former thread of the month** Rebuilding the Reef - Log of a 90 Gallon Restarted - Page 6

Jamesurq · 12/30/2004, 09:34 PM

So basically, there is still a little humming from pipes and the pump entering the crawlspace. I thought on this for a while and went with the new version of "great stuff" spray foam. This newer version never completely hardens. It stays relatively squishy and pliable. This should provide some signifcant vibration absorbtion:

Just a word of warning - this stuff is VERY STICKY AND MESSY!! As you can see I made a mess. It took half a bottle of nail polish remover to get my hands clean.

Jamesurq · 12/30/2004, 09:36 PM

It may not look pretty - but it's definately cut down on the vibration noise... Now it's the damn Hamilton ballasts that I'm going to have to deal with next.

Jamesurq · 12/30/2004, 09:41 PM

Here's the solution to the potential heat issues with the Radium above the crossbrace. It's 10" above the plastic crossbrace so the heat level was so bad to begin with. I bought 3/8" thick ceramic tile and glued it with a couple small dabs of goop. (just in case I knock it and it drops in the tank and crushes a coral).

Jamesurq · 12/30/2004, 09:44 PM

It's got a small air pocket (through the layering of 2 tiles) under it - right about where the center of the Radium is.... Good enough.

The other concern was the proximity of the Radium to the front vertical wooden brace of the canopy. Approximately 1.5" from the tip of the Radium. So I added another ceramic tile in that space also: It's visable on the left side of this picture.

Jamesurq · 12/30/2004, 09:50 PM

Now what you may, or may not have noticed from my initial pictures of the canopy was that there were no doors on the front. It's entirely flat. The top doesn't open, and the canopy doesn't hindge open like a piano. So how does it open?

The entire front comes off - trim and all. 1 solid piece, weighing almost nothing because it's only 1/4" plywood. It's held there by being an exact fit.

Ok - so it was fitting perfectly for a shile but with the heat, it was starting to bow slightly and the middle section was coming away from the vertical brace... So:

Simple solution: a magnetic latch (designed for Hifi cabinets with glass doors) and a strip of metal on the "door" and we're good to go:

Latch:

Metal Strip:

AJP · 12/30/2004, 09:52 PM

Nice feet

Lunchbucket · 12/30/2004, 10:01 PM

DANG!! great job on getting up and going again.

can't wait to see more pics of it soon!

Lunchbucket

melev · 12/30/2004, 10:44 PM

Very creative ideas. I like the use of ceramic tile, btw.

Jamesurq · 12/31/2004, 08:18 AM

Thanks everyone. Especially Adamjonpeterson - I'm very proud of my feet.

AJP · 12/31/2004, 10:51 AM

sorry i couldnt help it, I get my feet in the cam all the time also

Jamesurq · 12/31/2004, 01:26 PM

Just be thankful I had my socks on.

datman422 · 12/31/2004, 01:29 PM

LETS GET A TOE SHOT. LOL

chrali · 01/01/2005, 11:31 AM

James, let me know when you start to put corals in. I'll have a small frag or two for you. Thats one heck of a project. Great thread!

Jamesurq · 01/01/2005, 12:18 PM

Thanks chris. I'll be putting corals in pretty soon. I'm actually getting my cleanup crew this week, setting up the autotopoff tonight, and I'm gonna do an order from Dr. Mac next week...

mcichows · 01/01/2005, 12:32 PM

Did you build the canopy all together or use some of the pieces from your old canopy???

ALso, you are running 2 175MH and 1 400MH?

Where are the fans and what did you decide to do for the fan noise?? Thanks

ALso, I don't get this closed loop stuff???? Whats the difference between CL and the usual single return?

Thanks James

steve.bridges · 01/01/2005, 01:39 PM

nice work man (apart from the spray foam looks like a 2 year old did it

)
Keep it up and good luck!

melev · 01/01/2005, 02:09 PM

mcichows, the best way to understand a closed loop is to see one. Try this out. It was created so I could remove the powerheads in my 29g.

http://www.melevsreef.com/closedloop.html

Jamesurq · 01/01/2005, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mcichows
Did you build the canopy all together or use some of the pieces from your old canopy???

ALso, you are running 2 175MH and 1 400MH?

Where are the fans and what did you decide to do for the fan noise?? Thanks

ALso, I don't get this closed loop stuff???? Whats the difference between CL and the usual single return?

Thanks James

Used the top and bottom trim pieces from the old canopy - just basically replaced the face pieces..

Yep - running those MH lights.

No fans in the canopy yet. Running at about 80 degrees if you trust the cheapo digital heater I'm using - or 76 if you trust the heater built into my wonpro heater..

who knows... Maybe it's 78.

Check Marc's thread on the closed loop - it's basically the basis for what I did. I ran 2 inputs and 4 outputs but other than that, it's the same.

Jamesurq · 01/01/2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by steve.bridges
nice work man (apart from the spray foam looks like a 2 year old did it )
Keep it up and good luck!

Yeah - well.... It's not as easy as you would think. Damn stuff is sticky too. It's the new formula which doesn't hold as strongly as the old stuff - ie: falls over and doesn't hold it's shape as well... However, with it not hardening completely, it's really cut down on the vibration.

Seeing as I've had 3 2 year olds - and another about to hit 2, I did a MUCH better job than they would have... A 7 year old? maybe..

melev · 01/01/2005, 04:50 PM

AJP · 01/01/2005, 05:02 PM

I am 25 and it looks better than anything I could do, spray foam kicks my butt. Usually end up foaming myself to something. Oh crap I've said to much already, i will be quite now

Jamesurq · 01/01/2005, 05:25 PM

I didn't want to say it - but I did foam my pointer and index fingers together.

AJP · 01/01/2005, 05:34 PM

Maybe we should start a support group Inept Foamers Anonymous

melev · 01/01/2005, 05:36 PM

IFA - Join today!!

AJP · 01/01/2005, 05:38 PM

Since I thought of it do I get to be like the president or something? I have never been the president of anything before.

12/30/2004, 10:01 PM	#132
Lunchbucket Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 12,924	DANG!! great job on getting up and going again. can't wait to see more pics of it soon! Lunchbucket __________________ Trying to lose weight by walking is like trying to bake a cake w/ a cigarette lighter - Lunchbucket - "Nancy-Boy Extraordinaire" - maxxII- Current Tank Info: 58gal Oceanic RR, 2x400w MH (20k XM and 10k XM), Deltec PF601 Ca Rx, Deltec AP701 skimmer, mag950 return, iwaki 55rlt w/ an Oceansmotions 4-way unit, Tunze 7300 and 6000 each w/ controller, fluidized po4 rx

12/31/2004, 01:29 PM	#137
datman422 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area California Posts: 1,120	LETS GET A TOE SHOT. LOL __________________ "Why do we kill to teach that killing is wrong? " unknown author. Current Tank Info: as off Jan, 2005 upgraded from 50 to 150gal. 300lbs LR. 2" LS. Mixed Reef. Berlin skimmer. Dual 400W PFO MH.

01/01/2005, 11:31 AM	#138
chrali Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: greenville,sc Posts: 284	James, let me know when you start to put corals in. I'll have a small frag or two for you. Thats one heck of a project. Great thread! __________________ chris Current Tank Info: 72 bowfront

12/30/2004, 09:34 PM	#126
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	So basically, there is still a little humming from pipes and the pump entering the crawlspace. I thought on this for a while and went with the new version of "great stuff" spray foam. This newer version never completely hardens. It stays relatively squishy and pliable. This should provide some signifcant vibration absorbtion: Just a word of warning - this stuff is VERY STICKY AND MESSY!! As you can see I made a mess. It took half a bottle of nail polish remover to get my hands clean.

12/30/2004, 09:36 PM	#127
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	It may not look pretty - but it's definately cut down on the vibration noise... Now it's the damn Hamilton ballasts that I'm going to have to deal with next.

12/30/2004, 09:41 PM	#128
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Here's the solution to the potential heat issues with the Radium above the crossbrace. It's 10" above the plastic crossbrace so the heat level was so bad to begin with. I bought 3/8" thick ceramic tile and glued it with a couple small dabs of goop. (just in case I knock it and it drops in the tank and crushes a coral).

12/30/2004, 09:44 PM	#129
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	It's got a small air pocket (through the layering of 2 tiles) under it - right about where the center of the Radium is.... Good enough. The other concern was the proximity of the Radium to the front vertical wooden brace of the canopy. Approximately 1.5" from the tip of the Radium. So I added another ceramic tile in that space also: It's visable on the left side of this picture.

12/30/2004, 09:50 PM	#130
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Now what you may, or may not have noticed from my initial pictures of the canopy was that there were no doors on the front. It's entirely flat. The top doesn't open, and the canopy doesn't hindge open like a piano. So how does it open? The entire front comes off - trim and all. 1 solid piece, weighing almost nothing because it's only 1/4" plywood. It's held there by being an exact fit. Ok - so it was fitting perfectly for a shile but with the heat, it was starting to bow slightly and the middle section was coming away from the vertical brace... So: Simple solution: a magnetic latch (designed for Hifi cabinets with glass doors) and a strip of metal on the "door" and we're good to go: Latch: Metal Strip:

12/30/2004, 09:52 PM	#131
AJP Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,652	Nice feet

12/30/2004, 10:44 PM	#133
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Very creative ideas. I like the use of ceramic tile, btw.

12/31/2004, 08:18 AM	#134
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Thanks everyone. Especially Adamjonpeterson - I'm very proud of my feet.

12/31/2004, 10:51 AM	#135
AJP Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,652	sorry i couldnt help it, I get my feet in the cam all the time also

12/31/2004, 01:26 PM	#136
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Just be thankful I had my socks on.

01/01/2005, 12:18 PM	#139
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Thanks chris. I'll be putting corals in pretty soon. I'm actually getting my cleanup crew this week, setting up the autotopoff tonight, and I'm gonna do an order from Dr. Mac next week...

01/01/2005, 12:32 PM	#140
mcichows Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 147	Did you build the canopy all together or use some of the pieces from your old canopy??? ALso, you are running 2 175MH and 1 400MH? Where are the fans and what did you decide to do for the fan noise?? Thanks ALso, I don't get this closed loop stuff???? Whats the difference between CL and the usual single return? Thanks James

01/01/2005, 01:39 PM	#141
steve.bridges Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 70	nice work man (apart from the spray foam looks like a 2 year old did it ) Keep it up and good luck!

01/01/2005, 02:09 PM	#142
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	mcichows, the best way to understand a closed loop is to see one. Try this out. It was created so I could remove the powerheads in my 29g. http://www.melevsreef.com/closedloop.html

01/01/2005, 04:50 PM	#145
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217

01/01/2005, 05:02 PM	#146
AJP Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,652	I am 25 and it looks better than anything I could do, spray foam kicks my butt. Usually end up foaming myself to something. Oh crap I've said to much already, i will be quite now

01/01/2005, 05:25 PM	#147
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	I didn't want to say it - but I did foam my pointer and index fingers together.

01/01/2005, 05:34 PM	#148
AJP Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,652	Maybe we should start a support group Inept Foamers Anonymous

01/01/2005, 05:36 PM	#149
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	IFA - Join today!!

01/01/2005, 05:38 PM	#150
AJP Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,652	Since I thought of it do I get to be like the president or something? I have never been the president of anything before.