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Old 10/14/2018, 09:28 PM   #1
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My new mag

After rethinking my previous nem purchase I opted to take it to the lfs ane have them order me a mag. It was a bday present to myself. I picked it up 10/4 on my birthday and it looked very healthy overall. It was attached to the glass, almost all the tents were inflated but I assumed the ones that weren't were due to the clowns it was hosting already after just arriving that morning.

I hoped maybe I got lucky so I put it straight into the display after temp acclimating and checking salinity. Here it is that first day.

It looked pretty good up until the second day and then it started to look pretty unhappy. Here it is 10/6

By 10/7 it had gone completely down hill so I removed it to QT for cipro treatment.
The hospital tank consists of a 10g with an older reef breeder light, korallia 425 power head, and heater all protected by egg crate. I immediately added a 250mg cipro to the tank.

Here it is 10/8
Before lights on
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10/10
Here is a photo of some of the crude it's been expelling. It's been mostly a whitish slim with a few small black flakes. It has been doing this daily.

10/11
It has really started to improve.

Here it is today after a full week of cipro treatment.

It still continues to do this every night but hasnt been expelling as much.

Every night after lights out I siphoned out the crude and replaced 2g of water with fresh cipro added. I am fairly confident it will make a full recovery but will continue to monitor it over the next week and slowly ramp up light intensity before adding to the DT.

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Old 10/14/2018, 09:35 PM   #2
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Sorry guys I have no idea why the pics are rotated like that and have no clue how to fix it either.


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Looking pretty good. It is recommended to do daily 100% waterchanges during treatment though. Seems like what you are doing is working but the last pic that shows some of the tentacles deflated is slightly concerning.


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Old 10/15/2018, 04:16 AM   #4
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I tried 100% water changes at first but just wasn't able to change that much at once, I wanted to use a smaller tank but 10g was the smallest I could get my hands on. During the day it stays fully inflated. It's only after lights out it does that.


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Old 10/15/2018, 09:47 AM   #5
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I tried 100% water changes at first but just wasn't able to change that much at once, I wanted to use a smaller tank but 10g was the smallest I could get my hands on. During the day it stays fully inflated. It's only after lights out it does that.
After you are done with treatment Iíd try to do waterchanges for a couple of days with your display tank water and see how it looks. Iíd definitely do at least 5 gal changes during treatment. I know itís said that most of the dose is not effective after the 24 hours but with only doing 2 gal a day there may be some build up.


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Old 10/15/2018, 10:14 AM   #6
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I just finished up a 7 day treatment with cipro on the 14th, was only able to acquire enough for a week. I do have septra on hand if necessary. I still have it in qt to monitor it and acclimate it to higher light.

I can definitely do a couple of 5g wc changes with DT water. I suppose it's possible some built up, after reading through the sticky and a few other threads it was my understanding that most or all would break down during lights on. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll give it a shot.


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Old 10/15/2018, 01:54 PM   #7
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Looking promising. Keep up the good work.

I've heard 100% WC is important. Without experience, I wouldn't say one way or another. Looks like it's working though! Good luck, and happy belated birthday.


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I agree 100% is pretty important, and I think it's due to what it expels, you want that gone, and no amonia build up.

I know every time I treated the water got cloudy and cruddied up after a few days and just by looks it needed to be changed heavily.

It's good you had cipro on hand for fast treat, hopefully you were able to go long enough.
It seemed to be responding well, hopefully that continues.


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Old 10/15/2018, 03:18 PM   #9
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Thank you Kinetic

The plan was to use a smaller tank so I would be able to do as close to 100% as possible but i didnt trust the tank i was offered. This left me with the 10g I have on hand for QT of new fish. I figured I could fill it half way and use it that way. Unfortunately the heater I have for qt cant be fully submerged(fluval) so there went that idea. I went from I got everything to do this right to what am I going to do now.

It is and was less than ideal and not what I initially planned so all I could do was adjust. I admit I could have done atleast 4g wc and the first couple were. The water didnt become cloudy even with the meds, or atleast not that I could tell. Every night I would syphon out all the little chunks it had expelled and anything else that was free floating.

I can certainly say it has been a huge learning experience overall. Dont become complacent and just assume you have everything. Had I completely checked my equipment before starting I'd have known my plan was flawed.

Thank you everyone for the suggestions and input, I definitely appreciate it. Currently I'm mixing up some water to start changing the qt with dt water.


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It's now been roughly 48hrs since the last treatment with cipro, I turned the blues down and added more white this time.

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Looks wonderful in those pics, hoping it works out for you.


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Looks wonderful in those pics, hoping it works out for you.
Thank you!

During the day it looks amazing, it's always fully inflated, mouth closed tight, and extremely responsive. When siphoning out the expell if I would accidentally touch it with the hose it would immediately react. I haven't checked for stickiness yet though. It's only after lights out it doesnt look as good. It stays fully inflated and at times looks like an overinflated balloon. Some of the tentacles, maybe half a dozen or so will deflate slightly but it doesnt last long. I assume it does this to help it expel whatever it's trying to get rid of.


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The healing process goes back and forth, good to horrible, back to good.

Retracting w/ lights out or when touched is normal, hopefully that is all you are seeing


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So far whatever it's been doing has been fairly consistent from day to night. I really wanna this guy get healthy and make it to the display.


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When I decided to share my journey with my new mag I knew that meant good or bad.

I was pretty confident and then this happend.


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I know they will expel all sorts of things during treatment and up until now it's only been little globs of clear/white slime. This seems pretty excessive though. Does explain why it's been so upset every night. It appears to be regaining itself slowly but it's pretty evident that poop took a lot of effort.



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When I decided to share my journey with my new mag I knew that meant good or bad.

I was pretty confident and then this happend.


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I know they will expel all sorts of things during treatment and up until now it's only been little globs of clear/white slime. This seems pretty excessive though. Does explain why it's been so upset every night. It appears to be regaining itself slowly but it's pretty evident that poop took a lot of effort.



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I actually donít think what you are seeing there is a big deal. It looks like itís just expelling waste. Iíd siphon it out and Iím sure it will look fine tomorrow. Mine, that Iíve had for around 2 years, looks way worse than that when itís expelling waste.


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I got out all of what I could and now it looks fairly well back to normal. I've dealt with bta in the past doing it and they usually look pretty worse for wear as well. Just got freaked out a little this time as it's my first mag and I'm not totally sure what to expect. Thank you for the reassurance pfan.

I am picking up a different heater tomorrow that can be fully submerged. Then I am going to remove half the water completely and change out the rest for DT water for a 100% wc. After that I am going to do 100% every other day with water from the DT while I adjust it to higher light.


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I've actually seen this happen quite a few times when treating mags. It's almost like they are constipated and have one final big push to purge the remaining dead zoox and/or waste. It's really the make it or break it point for the nem. If they're strong enough to do a complete purge, then they're fine after that.


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I've actually seen this happen quite a few times when treating mags. It's almost like they are constipated and have one final big push to purge the remaining dead zoox and/or waste. It's really the make it or break it point for the nem. If they're strong enough to do a complete purge, then they're fine after that.
I tried to read all I could before finally committing but i guess i must have missed that part. I read the treatment threads on mags in the sticky but it never really mentioned that. Just that they will expel some zoox and other waste during treatment. Howver today i think this is the best it's ever looked since starting. The tents appear to be getting some length back to them again.


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Appears to even be gaining some color back. Looks like a nice purple starting to come in. I turned blues completely off and whites up a little.

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Yea I think you are pretty in the clear. My well established one does something similar but actually looks way worse. Mine totally deflates and looks dead. Does it as it’s getting rid of waste every time. I’ve stopped feeding mine totally to avoid it.


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He looks well to me. Best of luck.


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Thank you both for the words of encouragement��

I just did a 50/50 with display water and turned the lights up a little more on each channel. Its really hard to not just put it in the display at this point but patience and going slowly has gotten me this far so I know a few more days will be more beneficial. I'm going to do one more wc in 2 days with tank water and go from there.


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It looks like you saved it. Well done. I guess I got lucky with the 3 mags I have. They came in looking fantastic and never needed treatment. This is my first success with the species. Previous ones have just fallen apart. I filter my water with carbon in a Diatom filter about once per week. Turbulent water currents and powerful LEDS I believe are key to keeping mags.


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I was hoping I would get lucky so I put it in the display but unfortunately after that it was all down hill. I'll consider it a success though when it's been in the main tank for about a month.

Between the 2 mp10's and my maxspect razr w/t5 supplements I think I should have enough of both to keep it happy and healthy.


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