Royal-Exclusiv / Vertex Cone Skimmer Club - Page 12

subman719 · 10/15/2009, 08:31 PM

Thanks rbnice1... I use paper towels and reach into the neck to wipe it clean. Hands get a little dirty but cup and neck get clean. I've yet had to take off the cup.

mcbaes72 · 10/15/2009, 09:15 PM

Yeah, I'll probably end up doing that since I had it that way w/ my old ETSS and a 2-liter bottle. Just wondering if it's okay to unscrew skimmer cup while pump is on or not.

subman719 · 10/15/2009, 09:31 PM

I recommend shutting it down for any maintenance, I do. Otherwise, you run the risk of it bubbling all over the place.

'05 Audi S4??? What kind of aquarium equipment is that? LOL

Nuuze · 10/15/2009, 10:10 PM

So what's everyone running their revised 170's at? Mine is currently at 9" of water, 2 full turns open at the pump and 80-90% closed. 24 hour pics...

Wd40 · 10/16/2009, 11:46 AM

hey nuuze i got the same thing but running it with 2.5 turns out.. much darker skimmate!

Husky_1 · 10/16/2009, 11:50 AM

Mine is a little darker, nozzle turned all the way out, the standpipe at about 90% closed.

kvmn · 10/16/2009, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuuze

So what's everyone running their revised 170's at? Mine is currently at 9" of water, 2 full turns open at the pump and 80-90% closed. 24 hour pics...

Anyone know why alpha 250 don't have 2 pump inlet location like this?

Halfmoon61 · 10/16/2009, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Husky_1

Mine is a little darker, nozzle turned all the way out, the standpipe at about 90% closed.

Same here. I do find the the foam is frothier and more stable.

Jeremy B. · 10/16/2009, 02:40 PM

The 170 definitely makes a much denser foam now, as others have mentioned as well.

swiseman · 10/16/2009, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvmn

Anyone know why alpha 250 don't have 2 pump inlet location like this?

The Alpha was the first model that was in production and the second pump inlet was a suggestion made by a customer when the first pictures of the Alpha 250 bodies were made public.

Husky_1 · 10/16/2009, 03:37 PM

Yeah, I am pleased with the color of the skimmate. What it indicates to me is that I can adjust this to be a bit more watery, or dark....Without the mod, I had 2 options, dark stuff or overflowing the cup.

After it settles in at this setting for a few more days, I will probably screw the screw all the way in, and back out right after the surging stops. then see which of the two I like better, and adjust thereafter accordingly.

mcbaes72 · 10/16/2009, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subman719

I recommend shutting it down for any maintenance, I do. Otherwise, you run the risk of it bubbling all over the place.

'05 Audi S4??? What kind of aquarium equipment is that? LOL

Just proud of my other expensive hobby.

Yeah, you may be right. I'm sticking w/ shutting down pump before cup removal 'til I set up a small bucket or 2-liter bottle for skimmate to drain into.

Nuuze · 10/17/2009, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klaus Jansen

Corywilson...

i tested the new Volute/nozzle Design in 25-28 cm waterlevel (10 " ) the best Performance, for my tank was 900-950 Liter Airintake and the screw was 2,5 Turns out. Please noticed : my saltwater-Testtank.

Please starting for found the best Perormance for your Tank :

> disconnecting the Hoses from the Silencer...
> closed the white srew completed....
> full closed, the waterinjekting is to less and the Pump begining surching and pulsation...
> starting with half Turns and heard, what the Pump is doing...
> after one or one and an half, the surching is stoping and the waterinjektion go higher...
> please opening the screw how long, as Micorbubbles comming out.....
> after Microbubbles comming out, close the screw a little bit..

Thats the best performance for your Tank. Please notice :...after Plugin the new Update, the Time for wait for the new adjustment, is one Day. The first Day, all the Parts are fresh and destroyed the Foam.

For Measurements : .... the Dwyers are not the best Equipment for make a good Measurement. We have any Dwyers here. The Backpressure, of the ball inside the Cone, is to high and the Pipe inside the Cone is to small. So the Measurement is wrong. The Equipment what we use, is an electrical Airflowmeter with 0 % backpressure. This Measurement is exactly.... the diffenrence for cheap Airflowmeters, is possible go wrong 50 % and more.....

For testing a good or bad Airflowmeter : .... please using a wattmeter and look, what the energyconsuption is doing : .... go the wattage more as 2 watt higher, after plug in a Airflowmeter, forget the measurement : ... he go wrong. A good Airflowmeter dont change the energyconsuption. 5 Watt more energyconsuption destroyed the Pumpperformance. The Airflow go significant down and the waterflow go high... If the connectors on the Airflowmeters are smaller, as the Silicontubes, what we using ( 9 mm inside) forget the measurements. A restriceted inlet, destroyed the Pumpperformance. For a Quickmeasurement with Airflowmeters, here in our Factory ( with the orange Cone) have 20 mm (!! ) inlet..... A good Airflowmeter in Europe, cost 200-300.- Euro. A electrical Airflowmeter cost 1500.- Euro....
Thats the Reason, we dont using serial Airflowmeters on our Skimmers.

Hope it helps.....

regards... Klaus

I decided to give this a try from Klaus on page 10 and here are my findings. So far here's an approx. 48 hour pic in 9" of water, riser about 80-90% and two turns on the pump screw. Kinda looks like cofee...

So I decided to pull out the kill-a-watt meter. This is the one used.

Riser and water was left the same with the pump screw adjusted.

-Screwed in all the way was surging that can be seen in the intake tube and silicone tube between the pump and skimmer.
28 watt / 1.11 amp

-1 full turn. Surging in the intake tube was gone but can still be seen in the silicone tubing between pump and skimmer.
29 watt / 1.11 amp

-2 full turns where I had it. Surging completely gone and foam was pretty thick for the last couple days with very little skimmate but very dark.
30 watt / 1.11 amp

-3 turns you can start to see more bubble activity in the cone.
31 watt / 1.11 amp

-4 turns same as last, maybe a little better. (this is where I'll leave it for now)
32 watt / 1.12 amp

-5 turns appears the same, bubbles may be appearing a little bigger.
32 watt / 1.12 amp

-6 turns bubbles looks like it's starting to get waeker/less.
33 watt / 1.12 amp

So I'll leave it at 4 turns and see how it goes...more to come. HTH!

I also posted this and some other reading on my tank thread here:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...3#post15870563

ozzmosis · 10/17/2009, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy B.

Anyone who had the surging 170's, how is your performance now with the revision?

So far, I have no surging with the new parts unless I make it do it by screwing the intake all the way in. However, it had only surged once or twice before I installed the new parts. Other than that, I am still fine tuning my intake to get it set like I want it. I turned the intake out until it quit surging and then I continued turning it out looking for microbubbles exiting the output, but it never happenned. So, I am going to just adjust a turn a day and monitor performance and see how it goes. The foam definitely seems to be thicker and more consistent now with the new parts, but haven't yet figured out where my sweet spot is.

ozzmosis · 10/17/2009, 06:39 AM

Nuuze,
Where can you get a Kill-a-watt meter like that? Also, about how much would it cost?

ozzmosis · 10/17/2009, 06:43 AM

Nevermind, I found it on amazon and some other sites. Thanks anyway! Sometimes, if I would just look before asking! lol...

subman719 · 10/17/2009, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcbaes72

I'm sticking w/ shutting down pump before cup removal 'til I set up a small bucket or 2-liter bottle for skimmate to drain into.

Even after connecting it to an external collection container I recommend shutting it down for any type of maintenance. It's ok to shut it down when needed. It won't effect it or change your settings in any way. Mine shuts down with my main pump during feedings too. There is a float switch hooked up to it in the sump to prevent it from turning back on until the water level in the sump stabilizes and comes back down to a normal level that won't make the skimmer over flow.

hatfielj · 10/19/2009, 07:18 AM

What is everyone talking about with the white adjustment screw? Is there an adjustment screw on the pump I was unaware of? I have an Alpha 250.

subman719 · 10/19/2009, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatfielj

What is everyone talking about with the white adjustment screw? Is there an adjustment screw on the pump I was unaware of? I have an Alpha 250.

This only applies to the 170 model with the revisement.

Jeremy B. · 10/19/2009, 09:41 AM

If anyone is looking for a killawatt meter we have them in stock ready to ship!

http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...egory_Code=GFI

Husky_1 · 10/19/2009, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subman719

There is a float switch hooked up to it in the sump to prevent it from turning back on until the water level in the sump stabilizes and comes back down to a normal level that won't make the skimmer over flow.

During my last setup, this was never an issue but with this one there is. Thanks for the tip, my brain must have been frozen. I even have an extra one that I can use.

subman719 · 10/19/2009, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Husky_1

During my last setup, this was never an issue but with this one there is. Thanks for the tip, my brain must have been frozen. I even have an extra one that I can use.

You're welcome. I have all kinds of float switches on everything including two on the main tank in case the overflow gets clogged. My next one will be on the skimmate drain container so it will shut off the skimmer when the container is full.

badazztealcobra · 10/19/2009, 03:44 PM

Add me to the 170 club....

Stupid question, but are our old volutes, pinwheels, etc. of any value to the rest of the community ??? Im assuming theyre going to start coming from the factory with the new revised pump and not the old setup, but if we could sell these old ones or something that might be nice.

borghmad · 10/20/2009, 11:29 AM

Jeremy,

I wanna join the Vertex Alpha club

Any indication on when the 220V Alpha 250's will arrive/ship? I've ordered mine about 4 weeks ago.

Thanks for the reply.

Best regards,
Danny

Jeremy B. · 10/20/2009, 11:57 AM

There is a shipment that is arriving here in the states the end of next week. It will need to clear customs and head are way.

10/15/2009, 08:31 PM	#276
subman719 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 353	Thanks rbnice1... I use paper towels and reach into the neck to wipe it clean. Hands get a little dirty but cup and neck get clean. I've yet had to take off the cup. __________________ Bob "Fish are Friends, NOT Food!" - Finding Nemo Current Tank Info: 90 Gal - Mixed Reef, 75 gal and 40 gal holding tanks. 20 gal mini reef and several fish only PICO tanks.

10/15/2009, 09:31 PM	#278
subman719 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 353	I recommend shutting it down for any maintenance, I do. Otherwise, you run the risk of it bubbling all over the place. '05 Audi S4??? What kind of aquarium equipment is that? LOL __________________ Bob "Fish are Friends, NOT Food!" - Finding Nemo Current Tank Info: 90 Gal - Mixed Reef, 75 gal and 40 gal holding tanks. 20 gal mini reef and several fish only PICO tanks.

10/17/2009, 06:39 AM	#290
ozzmosis Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 118	Nuuze, Where can you get a Kill-a-watt meter like that? Also, about how much would it cost? __________________ If you want time to spare, then travel by air. If you want more time yet, then travel by jet! I love the smell of Jet fuel burning in the morning! In this hobby, you have to be careful not to catch AIDS (Aquarium Induced Divorce Syndrome)! Current Tank Info: My tank is in the middle of a rebuild right now. I built this system over 2.5 years ago and just wasn't pleased with the outcome. So, this time around I'm improving things that I did poorly (aka "cheap") last time.

10/17/2009, 06:43 AM	#291
ozzmosis Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 118	Nevermind, I found it on amazon and some other sites. Thanks anyway! Sometimes, if I would just look before asking! lol... __________________ If you want time to spare, then travel by air. If you want more time yet, then travel by jet! I love the smell of Jet fuel burning in the morning! In this hobby, you have to be careful not to catch AIDS (Aquarium Induced Divorce Syndrome)! Current Tank Info: My tank is in the middle of a rebuild right now. I built this system over 2.5 years ago and just wasn't pleased with the outcome. So, this time around I'm improving things that I did poorly (aka "cheap") last time.

10/19/2009, 03:44 PM	#298
badazztealcobra Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Streamwood, IL Posts: 7,394	Add me to the 170 club.... Stupid question, but are our old volutes, pinwheels, etc. of any value to the rest of the community ??? Im assuming theyre going to start coming from the factory with the new revised pump and not the old setup, but if we could sell these old ones or something that might be nice. __________________ Currently in between tanks at the moment... Planning my next project... "Not using a quarantine tank is like playing Russian roulette. Nobody wins the game, some people just get to play longer th

10/15/2009, 09:15 PM	#277
mcbaes72 -Aidan's Daddy. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Vallejo, CA Posts: 779	Yeah, I'll probably end up doing that since I had it that way w/ my old ETSS and a 2-liter bottle. Just wondering if it's okay to unscrew skimmer cup while pump is on or not.

10/15/2009, 10:10 PM	#279
Nuuze Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NorCal, California Posts: 3,550	So what's everyone running their revised 170's at? Mine is currently at 9" of water, 2 full turns open at the pump and 80-90% closed. 24 hour pics...

10/16/2009, 11:46 AM	#280
Wd40 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 715	hey nuuze i got the same thing but running it with 2.5 turns out.. much darker skimmate!

10/16/2009, 11:50 AM	#281
Husky_1 Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South FL Posts: 1,541	Mine is a little darker, nozzle turned all the way out, the standpipe at about 90% closed.

10/16/2009, 02:40 PM	#284
Jeremy B. Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN / Muncie, IN Posts: 8,219	The 170 definitely makes a much denser foam now, as others have mentioned as well.

10/16/2009, 03:37 PM	#286
Husky_1 Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South FL Posts: 1,541	Yeah, I am pleased with the color of the skimmate. What it indicates to me is that I can adjust this to be a bit more watery, or dark....Without the mod, I had 2 options, dark stuff or overflowing the cup. After it settles in at this setting for a few more days, I will probably screw the screw all the way in, and back out right after the surging stops. then see which of the two I like better, and adjust thereafter accordingly.

10/19/2009, 07:18 AM	#293
hatfielj Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,234	What is everyone talking about with the white adjustment screw? Is there an adjustment screw on the pump I was unaware of? I have an Alpha 250.

10/19/2009, 09:41 AM	#295
Jeremy B. Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN / Muncie, IN Posts: 8,219	If anyone is looking for a killawatt meter we have them in stock ready to ship! http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...egory_Code=GFI

10/20/2009, 11:29 AM	#299
borghmad Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 12	220V Vertex Alpha 250? Jeremy, I wanna join the Vertex Alpha club Any indication on when the 220V Alpha 250's will arrive/ship? I've ordered mine about 4 weeks ago. Thanks for the reply. Best regards, Danny

10/20/2009, 11:57 AM	#300
Jeremy B. Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN / Muncie, IN Posts: 8,219	There is a shipment that is arriving here in the states the end of next week. It will need to clear customs and head are way.