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Old 01/27/2016, 10:00 PM   #2851
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Do Dino outbreaks only exist in tanks with coral?


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Old 01/27/2016, 10:18 PM   #2852
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If you can..cancel it
Im sitting on a full bottle of it
Did it work for you?

Edit: nvm I forgot we are in same boat. Lol


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Old 01/28/2016, 05:30 AM   #2853
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Bottle of dino-x ordered. Let's see what this does.

It worked during dosing, but they came back after 2 weeks. It definitely killed all that I can see of them. Just have a plan after the treatment to keep them from coming back permanently.


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Old 01/28/2016, 06:41 AM   #2854
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How do you manual remove them? With filter socks? I bought filter socks online for 6.50 each but they aren't washable, so I use them once and throw them away. Can get quite expensive.

Which filter socks are not washable?


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Old 01/28/2016, 07:16 AM   #2855
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This is why I went block, though plates and balls would have been easier to fit in places.

I've dosed about 1.5x the suggested bacteria in a bottle amounts, no cloudy tank this morning (I've had cloudy water WITHOUT dosing bottles though I couldn't absolutely be certain they were bacteria blooms) No appreciable change, though clearly 1 day in I'm not expecting one.
Slightly cloudy tank this morning. Running no filter sock and super low lights today to see how it goes. LPS look annoyed, SPS look happy as ever.


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Old 01/28/2016, 07:29 AM   #2856
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Slightly cloudy tank this morning. Running no filter sock and super low lights today to see how it goes. LPS look annoyed, SPS look happy as ever.
Did you dose all bacteria at once or are you ttying one at a time?


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Old 01/28/2016, 07:51 AM   #2857
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Did you dose all bacteria at once or are you ttying one at a time?
I mixed them all together and dosed 150% of the lowest suggested dose for the last couple days. It would seem to the naked eye that there are less dinos in the usual places this morning but I don't take that as anything other than the lights still being low for now.


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Old 01/28/2016, 07:57 AM   #2858
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Those bad boys look like my bad boys. hahaha

We have been running the UV for almost two weeks now I think. It has not completely gotten rid of the dino's mostly because they are not all going through the UV light. They have backed down a bit though. The sand is now speckled with them instead of covered. We have added more Macro algae, pods, have been siphoning the sandbed, adding phytoplankton and the tank has improved a lot. We are still doing water changes. There are actually times when the sand is white again. The dino's are no longer on the rocks, only the sandbed. The water is clear, the fish are more active and the corals are looking much much much better than they have in a long time so we are happier with the changes and hope for more. We have not added any bacteria supplement thus far due to lack of it being in this area and not knowing which one to go with.


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Old 01/28/2016, 09:48 PM   #2859
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Here's some shots on 400x


I took a series of this view shifting focal plane slightly on each shot, animated.
Here https://goo.gl/photos/qS1dc3C3uzCpbmvZ8

Working my way through this link http://botany.si.edu/references/dinoflag/
In case anyone else gets these, I'm fairly comfortable with thinking it's a Coolia.
Images here http://eol.org/pages/91075/media?page=12

For others trying to ID something that isn't the most common 2 or 3 families, two sources in addition to my link from above that I found helpful.

http://planktonnet.awi.de
Search "dinoflagellate" or any more specific term. It has lots of light microscope photos. Electron scope pics don't really look much like what we see through our scopes.

And finally Encyclopedia of Life. eol.org Couldn't find any other source with more than a couple pics of Coolia. EOL had 20+ pages of pics.

One issue with photo IDs. You think you have a match, then find out it doesn't hang out in the sand and prefers arctic waters.


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3 days in, Operation: Grow Algae has so far, not shown any signs of increasing algae, but the dinos have intensified very noticeably. Still no harmful livestock effects that I can see, so that's good.

The patch at the front of the tank with the species I haven't ID yet has gotten thick enough I could siphon a hunk of pure dinos.
Here's some shots on 400x


I took a series of this view shifting focal plane slightly on each shot, Google photos stitched it into an animation.
Can see it here https://goo.gl/photos/qS1dc3C3uzCpbmvZ8

I think I let the sample dry, then added water back, seemed to separate the armor off the dinos.



I'll stop spamming thread with pics for ID, since this is about the best I can do. Working my way through this link http://botany.si.edu/references/dinoflag/ to see what I come up with.



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Old 01/28/2016, 10:29 PM   #2860
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Do Dino outbreaks only exist in tanks with coral?
I suspect they can be a problem whether there are corals or not.


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Old 01/28/2016, 10:59 PM   #2861
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I read earlier in this thread that ostreopsis secretes palytoxin?? reading on pubmed and wiki about this compound makes me nervous. do you guys have any idea how much of the stuff the bacteria secretes? constantly coming into contact with nonselective Na/K ATPase inhibitors has to be terrible for ur health in the long term... or does the body realize its ion gradients are out of whack and it creates more pumps to fix this???

i'm going to aggressively try to get rid of these guys or at least get their population under control. if after a month none of the methods in this thread works i'm gonna hang up the towel, im not sitting with a toxin generator in my living room.



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Old 01/28/2016, 11:30 PM   #2862
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Maybe the best agent against bad dinos is good dinos?
Anybody see this one before?
http://oceandatacenter.ucsc.edu/MBHA...0al%202011.pdf

It's about a parasitic dino that infects other dinos and might be responsible for stopping dino blooms.


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Old 01/28/2016, 11:38 PM   #2863
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I read earlier in this thread that ostreopsis secretes palytoxin.
There is a very real danger. People have gotten very sick and every precaution sould be used. Do not boil, steam or heat anything. Make sure no tank water get's close to open wounds, mouth or eyes.

Rinse your hands with fresh water if they go into your tank unprotected and do not reuse a towel that has come in contact with the saltwater.

There are loads more of common sense thinks to have in mind.


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Old 01/28/2016, 11:43 PM   #2864
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There is a very real danger. People have gotten very sick and every precaution sould be used. Do not boil, steam or heat anything. Make sure no tank water get's close to open wounds, mouth or eyes.

Rinse your hands with fresh water if they go into your tank unprotected and do not reuse a towel that has come in contact with the saltwater.

There are loads more of common sense thinks to have in mind.
yeah thanks for the heads up. i wasnt washing my hands up until now and I've been touching my face afterwards probably.

i've been having bouts of nausea this past week, corellating with me starting to get rid of these dinos. could be a coincidence but these things are definitely not safe.


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Old 01/28/2016, 11:51 PM   #2865
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Anybody see this one before?
http://oceandatacenter.ucsc.edu/MBHA...0al%202011.pdf

It's about a parasitic dino that infects other dinos and might be responsible for stopping dino blooms.
Whoaw!

I love making stuff up, throwing it into the dark of the net's global consciousness ... Only to have it come back with "yup! We got that already."


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Old 01/28/2016, 11:57 PM   #2866
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Anybody see this one before?
http://oceandatacenter.ucsc.edu/MBHA...0al%202011.pdf

It's about a parasitic dino that infects other dinos and might be responsible for stopping dino blooms.
Yes and remember that the the other blooms like diatoms and coccoliths are also suppressors through competition. In nature they seem to take turns so if you can get one going you could get some results.


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Old 01/29/2016, 10:51 AM   #2867
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Less cloudy today but still not crystal clear. LPS are back to normal. The few bits of cyano that were here are 100% gone so that's an interesting side effect. I suspect they'll return. Dinos are hard to find this noon so that's good. Couple spots on one rock is all,none on the sand bed. I'm done dosing bacteria (I used it all) and am going to start dosing phyto along with a full blackout until monday/tuesday of next week. Unsure if I should pull the 100 micron socks I had been running when dosing phyto or not.


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Old 01/29/2016, 03:42 PM   #2868
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Bottle of dino-x ordered. Let's see what this does.
Dino-x does exactly nothing. I dropped some dino x on them under a microscope and they liked it!




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No. If you have dinos, you just buy a leather coral and they all die instantly.


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Well folk, dinos are back....

new finding: Mixing live phytoplankton with dino infested water does not hurt dinos at all. At least not immediately. (Microscope observation)

I purchased 32lbs of very live rock from CL to either increase biodiversity, or infect the new rock with dinos. Stupid stupid stupid dinos.

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Old 01/29/2016, 07:20 PM   #2871
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i've been having bouts of nausea this past week, corellating with me starting to get rid of these dinos. could be a coincidence but these things are definitely not safe.
Possibly a coincidence but I'd sure take precautions! My allergy/asthma specialist has added a section to his 'approved pets' sheet disallowing reef tanks due to palytoxin. Exposure definitely makes my asthma worse as shown by objective peak flow measurements on days I'm changing water or messing with the tank. I bought a bunch of simple dust masks and wear one when I'm going to be in the tank.

A month is a bit short for the dirty method, are you going to go clean? Definitely run a lot of carbon.

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Old 01/29/2016, 07:50 PM   #2872
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In case anyone else gets these, I'm fairly comfortable with thinking it's a Coolia.

One issue with photo IDs. You think you have a match, then find out it doesn't hang out in the sand and prefers arctic waters.
Are these the ones your previous post says do the 'ostreopsis whirl'?
I had a definite id on my 2ndary dinos until I noticed that the reference pic for the spp was at 1000X and my species was at 100X. Close..but not quite.

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Possibly a coincidence but I'd sure take precautions! My allergy/asthma specialist has added a section to his 'approved pets' sheet disallowing reef tanks due to palytoxin. Exposure definitely makes my asthma worse as shown by objective peak flow measurements on days I'm changing water or messing with the tank. I bought a bunch of simple dust masks and wear one when I'm going to be in the tank.

A month is a bit short for the dirty method, are you going to go clean? Definitely run a lot of carbon.

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hey thanks for the info. you think a month is too short? i'm willing to go longer as long as i don't notice any more problems.


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I've been doing live phytoplankton for 3 days now and see some pods on glass. Dino has not gotten better though.


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Old 01/29/2016, 09:07 PM   #2875
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I've been doing live phytoplankton for 3 days now and see some pods on glass. Dino has not gotten better though.
What worked best for me was to dose Phytoplankton daily until I had an epic pod population, than stopped dosing the Phytoplankton so they'd eat the dinos instead. Took a while, 3 days won't cut it. I also cut my photoperiod to 5 hours and dosed Microbacter7 nightly to out compete. Be careful though, Microbacter7 will strip nutrients out of the water so use it slowly if you have a high nutrient tank, otherwise it may shock your corals.


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