New Aquarium for St Jude Children's Hospital (800+G) - Page 4

otolith · 09/04/2007, 09:37 PM

OUTSTANDING work, Scott.

djyox · 09/05/2007, 08:32 AM

Wow! Congrat guys! That has got to be the coolest setup I've seen! Love the huge tank and great setup of the fish room...

I'm drooling over here!

Jeremy Blaze · 09/05/2007, 10:57 AM

Very well done!

Looks like a great set up, and for a great cause. You should be very proud.

MAybe I missed it, but what are the deminsions of the display?

spazz · 09/05/2007, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeremy Blaze

MAybe I missed it, but what are the deminsions of the display?

the tank is 96" x 48" x 48" external dimentions. the internal dimentions make it a 850 gallon tank.

chrisqueenz · 09/06/2007, 10:40 AM

Very nice!!

bshumake · 09/10/2007, 11:20 AM

I expect to be updating in the next day or so. I've had some personal setbacks that have required my attention. Sorry everyone.

mtfatwork · 09/28/2007, 03:07 PM

This is a great setup and Scott is a great guy. His ingenuity is great. It has been fun watching this take shape, and will be even more cool to see when it is stocked.

submersible · 09/28/2007, 03:42 PM

Truely amazing!

mxett · 09/28/2007, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by erics3000
I use to be a PACS admin. At one of our sites FL we got a new 3t magnet (MRI) and we put it on the 4th floor of a building. Everytime you by a magnet the vendor will do vibration test and such. We had the 3rd floor roof reinforced with some crazy steel reinforcement. I can see if I cna dig up some pictures. We had some windows on the side of a building cut out and then it was lifted on in with a crane. We were the first with a clinical 3T (MRI) Florida.

We had a tank in one of our mr rooms and the fish didn't like the noise. They kept dieing. If it close you might want to consider some type of noise shielding. When the magnets perform different types of exams they can make some loud weird anoing noise. The noise really stressed the fish. I would love to see pics of there setup.

Funny I now am being trained on Linear Accelartors. What vendors are they using for there magnes and Accelaors?

This is one incredible build. Keep the PICS coming.

Surely you didnt have an aquarium in the ACTUAL scanning room?? That would be bizzar, and probaby somewhat unsafe. Any ferrous objects in the tank, whether water proof or not, will be attracted to the MR magnet, and if during maintenance are moved closer to the main field they could end up in the gantry in a hurry. Not to mention the magnet and radiofrequency interference to the uniformity of the magnetic gradients of the scanner, seriously compromising image quality. You can really be serious about an aquarium in a scanner room right?

Thinslis · 09/28/2007, 04:44 PM

Great people doing great things, this world needs more people like you guys.

erics3000 · 09/30/2007, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mxett
Surely you didnt have an aquarium in the ACTUAL scanning room?? That would be bizzar, and probaby somewhat unsafe. Any ferrous objects in the tank, whether water proof or not, will be attracted to the MR magnet, and if during maintenance are moved closer to the main field they could end up in the gantry in a hurry. Not to mention the magnet and radiofrequency interference to the uniformity of the magnetic gradients of the scanner, seriously compromising image quality. You can really be serious about an aquarium in a scanner room right?

Yes I am serious. I wouldn't have posted it if I wasn't. It was built into a side storage. I wish I got to see it in its full beauty. When I started working there it was already on its way down. I don't how that ordeal got started. Most likely some cute marketing girl got to him. hahahhahhah

He usually got what he wanted. I remember when we put a 3t on the 3rd floor of our new office we had to get a few site surveys untill we passed with the vibration test. I need to swing by there and say hi. We has another split before I left that company. I will try and get to the 2nd floor and post some pics of the reinforcement structre.

The techs had to purge the magnet once due to a wheelchair stuck on the magnet. They were lucky the patient didn't get hurt. $$$$$

I did get to see some guys working on the pretty light box over head get his pliers stuck to our first open. I had a picture if the pliers stuck on it with some blood around it from the guys hand. That time they were able to pry them off.

It is funny now looking back at it. The Cheif Tech told me all the fish kept dieing ...wonder why? I think the tank sat there empty for a few years. I was getting back into the hobby when we were going through a split and someone beat me to it. I could had a nice free tank. Oh well..

mxett · 10/01/2007, 04:26 AM

I'm sorry to say this but.....only in America!!!!

Having an aquarium in an MRI scanning room is the dumbest and most careless thing I have ever heard of. Wait until I tell my MRI colleagues in Oz. After they stop laughing they will agree that it is an extremely unsafe scenario. Adding water and electricity into such a electromagnetically dynamic environment for a view of a tank that most patient wont see, (because their head is in a tunnel) is just sheer lunacy. Not to mention all the radiofrequency interference from the various pumps and lighting, so much for a faraday cage!

But, given you have described 2 serious ferrous object 'disasters', one involving the loss of thousand of dollars of cryogen, the other resulting in an injury, why would I be surprised. My MRI department has not even come close to such an incident in nearly 10 years. Maybe US MR techs need re-educating on MRI safety, and a quick reminder of why an aquarium in such a high end diagnositic application is so inappropriate. Surely a tank in the waiting room is enough.

nauticac4 · 10/01/2007, 08:57 AM

mxett, your post was as dumb of a post as I have seen. The unit was tapped into cooling from an MRI unit and from what I can read will be no where near one. Go back and read the thread again.

Guy what you doing is great. I can't wait to see it finished. Best of Luck!! I'm following along for the ride.

spazz · 10/01/2007, 09:03 AM

the tank is no where near the MRI unit. we are just using the chilled water from the cooling system that also cools the MRI unit.
also the MRI unit is inclosed inside a shielded room so there will not be any affect on the fish or corals from stray magnetic fields comming off the magnet.

mrcrab · 10/01/2007, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nauticac4
mxett, your post was as dumb of a post as I have seen. The unit was tapped into cooling from an MRI unit and from what I can read will be no where near one. Go back and read the thread again.

I think you need to go back and read again. mxett wasn't comenting on the St. Jude build. He was replying to the post that erics3000 made re a tank in a facility that he worked at.

Quote:

Originally posted by erics3000
I use to be a PACS admin. At one of our sites FL we got a new 3t magnet (MRI) and we put it on the 4th floor of a building. Everytime you by a magnet the vendor will do vibration test and such. We had the 3rd floor roof reinforced with some crazy steel reinforcement. I can see if I cna dig up some pictures. We had some windows on the side of a building cut out and then it was lifted on in with a crane. We were the first with a clinical 3T (MRI) Florida.

We had a tank in one of our mr rooms and the fish didn't like the noise. They kept dieing. If it close you might want to consider some type of noise shielding. When the magnets perform different types of exams they can make some loud weird anoing noise. The noise really stressed the fish. I would love to see pics of there setup.

Funny I now am being trained on Linear Accelartors. What vendors are they using for there magnes and Accelaors?

This is one incredible build. Keep the PICS coming.

bshumake · 10/01/2007, 09:39 AM

Update:
A couple of us got together and mocked up the back panels of the tank. What we did was get them in the correct order and pick some nice rocks for mounting. Using a magic marker we traced the rocks position on the boards paper backing and worked out spaces for acrylic rods and zip ties for securing them down. Next I'm taking the panels to our acrylics shop for machining and peg mounting. Then its just positioning the panels in the tank and aquascaping. I'm working on geting some pics up to post.

erics3000 · 10/01/2007, 01:11 PM

mxett- It was an interesting place to work to say the least. The stories I could say about the radiologist......But I will just keep it at that. Glad I could share a laugh.

bshumake - PICS would be great. I a going to be getting ready to do some aquascaping and want to use the fiberglass arrows from walmart. I am going to also use some foam around the overflows. i cant wait to see how you guys did yours.

mxett · 10/01/2007, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nauticac4
mxett, your post was as dumb of a post as I have seen. The unit was tapped into cooling from an MRI unit and from what I can read will be no where near one. Go back and read the thread again.

Guy what you doing is great. I can't wait to see it finished. Best of Luck!! I'm following along for the ride.

Thanks mrcrab for clearing that up.

Now before criticizing anothers "dumb" post and saying I should go back and read the post again, how about you take your own advise and do the same before posting your own ill informed post.

Eric , surely there is a medical radiology body in the US that would prohibit such irresponsible behavior.

mrcrab · 10/01/2007, 06:17 PM

Us Aussies need to look out for each other mate!

iansilv · 10/01/2007, 10:48 PM

I can't believe they are turning an MRI in to an aquarium!

(joke)

Seriously- this is one of the coolest tanks on this forum.

James11 · 10/02/2007, 07:43 AM

That tank is awesome and well thought out, great work. I'll be subscribing to this thread. I think for the first time I actually want to go to the hospital

bshumake · 10/10/2007, 08:01 PM

Well folks, its about time I gave an update. We've been making slow progress on the project lately. Seems builders and designers don't get along sometimes and work slowed on the tank room.
IN the meantime we got together last weekend and mocked up the back panels.

BJ, Larry and I laid out the acrylic panels in their order and cherry picked some nice rock pieces to use on the back panels.

Kind of a pain digging through 3 rock vats

bshumake · 10/10/2007, 08:05 PM

Once they were all laid out Larry and I got to sketching their placement out and figured where support pins and zip-ties would go.

The idea here is that 3/8" acrylic rods about 3" long will protrude at a 45 deg angle from the panels. We'll cement these in place after drilling a hole through some of the rock, with zip-ties for added support.
BJ had the lovely task of keeping us all organized and picking out the best rock... heck, she ordered us around all day!
Added some of the coral to the holding tank for now with more (tanks and coral) to come.

bshumake · 10/10/2007, 08:08 PM

On monday the aquarium made it into the St Jude Localine (our resident newspaper) on the front page. Since the tanks been kept under wraps till the unveiling there are no pictures. But, I get stopped in the hall's daily now with all sorts of questions. I'll get a pic of the article posted.
Course, I couldn't say enough about Scott's involvement. And that article has gotten me a speaking arrangement for the tour guides tomorrow. I'll be presenting on the tank and all its components and design up till now.

GMFett · 10/11/2007, 11:47 AM

Major kudos to everyone! St Judes is a great group of people and its so incredible to see reefers helping out!

love it!

marcus

09/04/2007, 09:37 PM	#76
otolith Cancer Sucks Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: MN Posts: 1,398	OUTSTANDING work, Scott. __________________ [QUOTE=BrianD;21444507]Listen to this man.[/QUOTE] "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the universe." --John Muir Current Tank Info: 210g in the works :)

09/05/2007, 10:57 AM	#78
Jeremy Blaze Former Reef Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Washington, IN Posts: 5,864	Very well done! Looks like a great set up, and for a great cause. You should be very proud. MAybe I missed it, but what are the deminsions of the display? __________________ Trust me my friend, the names are not important at all. I've own hundreds of different zoas and palys and don't know the name of a single one. In my opinion, they are a waste of valuable time. Mucho Reef

09/10/2007, 11:20 AM	#81
bshumake Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Memphis, Tn Posts: 3,421	I expect to be updating in the next day or so. I've had some personal setbacks that have required my attention. Sorry everyone. __________________ Now you know. And knowing is half the battle. - GI Joe - Current Tank Info: 90 Reef, 440W of T5, blah, blah

09/28/2007, 03:07 PM	#82
mtfatwork Registered Member. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 116	This is a great setup and Scott is a great guy. His ingenuity is great. It has been fun watching this take shape, and will be even more cool to see when it is stocked. __________________ 6x tunze 6100, Tarpon return, Deltec media reactors, Volcano CArx and skimmer, Reeftek Kalkrx, 1/2 hp chiller, ACIII, 3x400w radiums= My kick butt 220 reef! Current Tank Info: 11 gallon frag tank w/ a 400 gallon sump!

09/28/2007, 03:42 PM	#83
submersible Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brandon, FL Posts: 317	Truely amazing! __________________ Bill Current Tank Info: 180 gallon zoo

09/05/2007, 08:32 AM	#77
djyox Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Twincities, MN Posts: 78	Wow! Congrat guys! That has got to be the coolest setup I've seen! Love the huge tank and great setup of the fish room... I'm drooling over here!

09/06/2007, 10:40 AM	#80
chrisqueenz Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Rochester New York, USA Posts: 2,042	Very nice!!

09/28/2007, 04:44 PM	#85
Thinslis Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Madison, Ohio Posts: 1,658	Great people doing great things, this world needs more people like you guys. __________________ -B Current Tank Info: 40g breeder, ER-RS80, MP40w, 250w + 2xT5

10/01/2007, 04:26 AM	#87
mxett Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 384	I'm sorry to say this but.....only in America!!!! Having an aquarium in an MRI scanning room is the dumbest and most careless thing I have ever heard of. Wait until I tell my MRI colleagues in Oz. After they stop laughing they will agree that it is an extremely unsafe scenario. Adding water and electricity into such a electromagnetically dynamic environment for a view of a tank that most patient wont see, (because their head is in a tunnel) is just sheer lunacy. Not to mention all the radiofrequency interference from the various pumps and lighting, so much for a faraday cage! But, given you have described 2 serious ferrous object 'disasters', one involving the loss of thousand of dollars of cryogen, the other resulting in an injury, why would I be surprised. My MRI department has not even come close to such an incident in nearly 10 years. Maybe US MR techs need re-educating on MRI safety, and a quick reminder of why an aquarium in such a high end diagnositic application is so inappropriate. Surely a tank in the waiting room is enough.

10/01/2007, 08:57 AM	#88
nauticac4 Baby Fish Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,237	mxett, your post was as dumb of a post as I have seen. The unit was tapped into cooling from an MRI unit and from what I can read will be no where near one. Go back and read the thread again. Guy what you doing is great. I can't wait to see it finished. Best of Luck!! I'm following along for the ride. __________________ Put Wings on it and Let it Fly!!! PBITAWA !!! Current Tank Info: 180 Cube 3x3x3. 29Gallon Sump 20 Gallon Fuge (1) Lumenarc Reflector w. 250W ARO Ballast and - Modded GS1 Skimmer - Eheim 1262 Return - Vortech MP40W and Swirler Stein

10/01/2007, 09:03 AM	#89
spazz Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,285	the tank is no where near the MRI unit. we are just using the chilled water from the cooling system that also cools the MRI unit. also the MRI unit is inclosed inside a shielded room so there will not be any affect on the fish or corals from stray magnetic fields comming off the magnet.

10/01/2007, 09:39 AM	#91
bshumake Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Memphis, Tn Posts: 3,421	Update: A couple of us got together and mocked up the back panels of the tank. What we did was get them in the correct order and pick some nice rocks for mounting. Using a magic marker we traced the rocks position on the boards paper backing and worked out spaces for acrylic rods and zip ties for securing them down. Next I'm taking the panels to our acrylics shop for machining and peg mounting. Then its just positioning the panels in the tank and aquascaping. I'm working on geting some pics up to post. __________________ Now you know. And knowing is half the battle. - GI Joe - Current Tank Info: 90 Reef, 440W of T5, blah, blah

10/01/2007, 01:11 PM	#92
erics3000 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Palm Bay FL Posts: 2,957	mxett- It was an interesting place to work to say the least. The stories I could say about the radiologist......But I will just keep it at that. Glad I could share a laugh. bshumake - PICS would be great. I a going to be getting ready to do some aquascaping and want to use the fiberglass arrows from walmart. I am going to also use some foam around the overflows. i cant wait to see how you guys did yours. __________________ Eric (Red House for my 300 display 600 system) Current Tank Info: 600 gallon system with 300 display

10/01/2007, 06:17 PM	#94
mrcrab Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,866	Us Aussies need to look out for each other mate!

10/01/2007, 10:48 PM	#95
iansilv Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 58	I can't believe they are turning an MRI in to an aquarium! (joke) Seriously- this is one of the coolest tanks on this forum.

10/02/2007, 07:43 AM	#96
James11 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: KY Posts: 544	That tank is awesome and well thought out, great work. I'll be subscribing to this thread. I think for the first time I actually want to go to the hospital

10/10/2007, 08:01 PM	#97
bshumake Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Memphis, Tn Posts: 3,421	Well folks, its about time I gave an update. We've been making slow progress on the project lately. Seems builders and designers don't get along sometimes and work slowed on the tank room. IN the meantime we got together last weekend and mocked up the back panels. BJ, Larry and I laid out the acrylic panels in their order and cherry picked some nice rock pieces to use on the back panels. Kind of a pain digging through 3 rock vats __________________ Now you know. And knowing is half the battle. - GI Joe - Current Tank Info: 90 Reef, 440W of T5, blah, blah

10/10/2007, 08:05 PM	#98
bshumake Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Memphis, Tn Posts: 3,421	Once they were all laid out Larry and I got to sketching their placement out and figured where support pins and zip-ties would go. The idea here is that 3/8" acrylic rods about 3" long will protrude at a 45 deg angle from the panels. We'll cement these in place after drilling a hole through some of the rock, with zip-ties for added support. BJ had the lovely task of keeping us all organized and picking out the best rock... heck, she ordered us around all day! Added some of the coral to the holding tank for now with more (tanks and coral) to come. __________________ Now you know. And knowing is half the battle. - GI Joe - Current Tank Info: 90 Reef, 440W of T5, blah, blah

10/10/2007, 08:08 PM	#99
bshumake Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Memphis, Tn Posts: 3,421	On monday the aquarium made it into the St Jude Localine (our resident newspaper) on the front page. Since the tanks been kept under wraps till the unveiling there are no pictures. But, I get stopped in the hall's daily now with all sorts of questions. I'll get a pic of the article posted. Course, I couldn't say enough about Scott's involvement. And that article has gotten me a speaking arrangement for the tour guides tomorrow. I'll be presenting on the tank and all its components and design up till now. __________________ Now you know. And knowing is half the battle. - GI Joe - Current Tank Info: 90 Reef, 440W of T5, blah, blah

10/11/2007, 11:47 AM	#100
GMFett Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 264	Major kudos to everyone! St Judes is a great group of people and its so incredible to see reefers helping out! love it! marcus __________________ Click on the red house to visit my tank website. Current Tank Info: 600 gallon- SPS/LPS: Deltec AP1003, Deltec FR 1016 (ROWAphos), Deltec PF601s (ROWAlith C+), Deltec**500s (ROWAkalk), Deltec FR509 (Carbon), 3 400 watt Lumenarc III's, Neptune Aquacontroller 2, 3 Tunze 6100 Streams, 2 Tunze Waveboxes