Regal Angel Primer - Page 217

UncleSalt · 03/07/2017, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ThRoewer

You're way over thinking this. You only set the salinity up correctly once, then mark the fill level of the tank and try to keep it there. The influence of evaporation at 1.009 is 3x lower than at full salinity.
I usually cover the tank and check maybe once a day (only measure a few times when setting the tank up). It's so much less trouble than TTM... One of the reasons why I prefer hyposalinity over TTM is that I'm lazy.

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So would you monitor him in a QT - treat with Prazipro and if I notice ich, then begin hypo? Would you do a formalin or FW dip?

ThRoewer · 03/07/2017, 12:40 PM

Always do a Formalin bath before the fish goes into the QT.
If you had issues with flukes with the last one assume that this one has them as well. Capsalidae can look very similar to ich. I've also seen that they don't necessarily come off in a bath (FW or formalin). They just take shelter underneath the fish's scales, so a prolonged treatment is required to reach them there.

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ThRoewer · 03/07/2017, 12:47 PM

BTW: for hyposalinity you have to calibrate the refractometer with RO or distilled water.

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orly20 · 03/07/2017, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pfan151

It's more than likely one of the Maldives ones like everyone is getting from live aquaria. You definitely got a great deal. Since you already have it in qt I would go with a formalin bath, then hyposalinity and prazipro in the qt. Those spots may not be ich though. Tough to tell in the pic

Hi pfan151
I will research on how to properly perform a Formalin dio. As far as hypo, what's the purpose for it? Thx again

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Salty150 · 03/07/2017, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ThRoewer

You're way over thinking this. You only set the salinity up correctly once, then mark the fill level of the tank and try to keep it there. The influence of evaporation at 1.009 is 3x lower than at full salinity.
I usually cover the tank and check maybe once a day (only measure a few times when setting the tank up). It's so much less trouble than TTM...

+ 1

Exactly!

And MUCH more effective for a myriad of reasons, including the new fish's health.

Salty150 · 03/07/2017, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by orly20

Hi pfan151
I will research on how to properly perform a Formalin dio. As far as hypo, what's the purpose for it? Thx again

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pfan151 · 03/07/2017, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by orly20

Hi pfan151
I will research on how to properly perform a Formalin dio. As far as hypo, what's the purpose for it? Thx again

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Hypo will kill the ich if that is what those spots are on the tail. Even if those spots aren't ich, Running it through hypo for a month will ensure that it is not carrying the parasite over to your display when the time comes.

ThRoewer · 03/07/2017, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Hypo will kill the ich if that is what those spots are on the tail. Even if those spots aren't ich, Running it through hypo for a month will ensure that it is not carrying the parasite over to your display when the time comes.

Hyposalinity also kills quite a few of the marine skin and gill flukes. So in combination with PraziPro it is highly unlikely that a fluke survives.
Hyposalinity generally also kills the ich cysts, something that not even copper can accomplish.

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Salty150 · 03/07/2017, 02:43 PM

There are MANY reasons hyposalinity is the best idea for new fish - disease treatment is just one of them.

orly20 · 03/07/2017, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty150

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Thank you!

I went to all the three stores by my house and no one carries Fromalin, I will have to order some.

I don't know exactly where I read you should NOT use copper on Regal Angels.

Does this still stand true or if not what would be a better option Coppersafe or Cupramine? I assume a slow ramp up would be best?
Just making sure before I start doing anything

Thanks again everyone!

orly20 · 03/07/2017, 04:10 PM

Also why is it that other day not to prophylactically treat w Copper?

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Salty150 · 03/07/2017, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by orly20

Also why is it that other day not to prophylactically treat w Copper?

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Angels are sensitive to copper.

Scott Michael talks about this in his Angelfishes & Butterflyfishes book, and he prefers hyposalinity for treating Angels.

As does Steven Pro:

"Hyposalinity is a great method of curing infected fish of ich in a proper hospital tank. Of the treatment options discussed this far, in my opinion, it is by far the safest. While none of these options is appropriate for use in a display tank, and all have their drawbacks, weighing the pros and cons of each leads me to recommend hyposalinity above the others."

UncleSalt · 03/08/2017, 10:49 AM

New guy has arrived - is alive but jury's still out on whether or not he'll survive. Salinity was much lower at 1.016, so I matched it and the temp, got him moved over. Gills are very red. He is exploring right now some more though, so we'll see how he fares.

UncleSalt · 03/08/2017, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThRoewer

Always do a Formalin bath before the fish goes into the QT.
If you had issues with flukes with the last one assume that this one has them as well. Capsalidae can look very similar to ich. I've also seen that they don't necessarily come off in a bath (FW or formalin). They just take shelter underneath the fish's scales, so a prolonged treatment is required to reach them there.

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Do you agree with this...

"1ml per gallon for 45 mins. Make sure the water is well aerated."

pfan151 · 03/08/2017, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleSalt

New guy has arrived - is alive but jury's still out on whether or not he'll survive. Salinity was much lower at 1.016, so I matched it and the temp, got him moved over. Gills are very red. He is exploring right now some more though, so we'll see how he fares.

Might make it. My order arrived too. All the cardinals seem ok but the radiant wrasse looks to be on its last breaths. Hoping it turns around

UncleSalt · 03/08/2017, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Might make it. My order arrived too. All the cardinals seem ok but the radiant wrasse looks to be on its last breaths. Hoping it turns around

best of luck to you! (and me as well!)

ThRoewer · 03/08/2017, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by UncleSalt

Do you agree with this...

"1ml per gallon for 45 mins. Make sure the water is well aerated."

Yes, that's the correct dose (1ml = 20 drops per gallon)

UncleSalt · 03/08/2017, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ThRoewer

Yes, that's the correct dose (1ml = 20 drops per gallon)

The formalin comes in tomorrow - would you start Prazi on him today, or let him relax - do formalin tomorrow, and then relax in clear water, and then go into Prazi doses after that?

ThRoewer · 03/08/2017, 10:57 PM

The formalin bath needs to be followed by a tank transfer, that's why I usually do it before the fish goes into the QT

UncleSalt · 03/09/2017, 09:54 AM

So my guy is still acting strange. He did eat a mysis this morning - which is an improvement. I think he's confused however. He swims on his side a lot. The tank is barebottom, and he keeps staring at his reflection, then when he sees the "other" fish swim away, he swims next to it. Swims across the tank, and then rights himself - hangs out normally, and then goes vertical looking at himself in the bottom and repeats.

Not sure if this is a sign of something that I should treat now - or if he's just trying to get acclimated to his surroundings still.

I held off on Prazipro (as of now) - the formalin comes in today so I figured tonight we'll do that fun part for him - and maybe start Prazi tomorrow.

Thoughts?

pfan151 · 03/09/2017, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleSalt

So my guy is still acting strange. He did eat a mysis this morning - which is an improvement. I think he's confused however. He swims on his side a lot. The tank is barebottom, and he keeps staring at his reflection, then when he sees the "other" fish swim away, he swims next to it. Swims across the tank, and then rights himself - hangs out normally, and then goes vertical looking at himself in the bottom and repeats.

Not sure if this is a sign of something that I should treat now - or if he's just trying to get acclimated to his surroundings still.

I held off on Prazipro (as of now) - the formalin comes in today so I figured tonight we'll do that fun part for him - and maybe start Prazi tomorrow.

Thoughts?

Probably just from seeing his reflection. When you have him out for the formalin bath try taping some black paper to the bottom and 3 sides.

UncleSalt · 03/09/2017, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Probably just from seeing his reflection. When you have him out for the formalin bath try taping some black paper to the bottom and 3 sides.

I did lift it up and put a pink towel underneath it - but I could still see his reflection in the glass too. I'll try some black paper today.

ThRoewer · 03/09/2017, 01:35 PM

Maybe add a handful of sand to the tank so that the fish can't see its reflection in the bottom.

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Salty150 · 03/09/2017, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfan151

Probably just from seeing his reflection. When you have him out for the formalin bath try taping some black paper to the bottom and 3 sides.

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleSalt

I did lift it up and put a pink towel underneath it - but I could still see his reflection in the glass too. I'll try some black paper today.

Like my message to you 5 days ago stated:

You also know that when you are QTing fish that all of the sides of the tank (except the front) should be blacked out, right?

And the article I linked you to stated:

You can help the fish feel secure in their environment in several ways. Paint the back, bottom and sides of the quarantine tank. Place the quarantine tank in a quiet location away from activity and noise. Keep the lighting dim over the aquarium and provide plenty of hiding places with PVC pipe of various sizes.

UncleSalt · 03/09/2017, 08:44 PM

So he seems to be doing okay. Ate a few more shrimps but nothing over the top.

I have noticed him shaking his head so I started a round of prazipro. I did about 2ml for 5 gallons of water. Haven't seen much effect on him though. The formalin was SUPPOSED to be here today, but like everything lately, was delayed. Tomorrow when it comes, I'll give him a nice bath and back into the prazipro-water

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03/07/2017, 12:40 PM	#5402
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	Always do a Formalin bath before the fish goes into the QT. If you had issues with flukes with the last one assume that this one has them as well. Capsalidae can look very similar to ich. I've also seen that they don't necessarily come off in a bath (FW or formalin). They just take shelter underneath the fish's scales, so a prolonged treatment is required to reach them there. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

03/07/2017, 12:47 PM	#5403
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	BTW: for hyposalinity you have to calibrate the refractometer with RO or distilled water. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

03/08/2017, 10:57 PM	#5419
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	The formalin bath needs to be followed by a tank transfer, that's why I usually do it before the fish goes into the QT __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

03/09/2017, 01:35 PM	#5423
ThRoewer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 9,555	Maybe add a handful of sand to the tank so that the fish can't see its reflection in the bottom. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk __________________ Pairs: 4 percula, 3 P. kauderni, 3 D. excisus, 1 ea of P. diacanthus, S. splendidus, C. altivelis O. rosenblatti, D. janssi, S. yasha & a Gramma loreto trio 3 P. diacanthus. 2 C. starcki Current Tank Info: 200 gal 4 tank system (40x28x24 + 40B + 40B sump tank + 20g refugium) + 30x18x18 mixed reef + 20g East Pacific biotop + 20g FW +...

03/07/2017, 02:43 PM	#5409
Salty150 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,345	There are MANY reasons hyposalinity is the best idea for new fish - disease treatment is just one of them.

03/07/2017, 04:10 PM	#5411
orly20 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 185	Also why is it that other day not to prophylactically treat w Copper? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03/08/2017, 10:49 AM	#5413
UncleSalt Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 185	New guy has arrived - is alive but jury's still out on whether or not he'll survive. Salinity was much lower at 1.016, so I matched it and the temp, got him moved over. Gills are very red. He is exploring right now some more though, so we'll see how he fares.

03/09/2017, 09:54 AM	#5420
UncleSalt Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 185	So my guy is still acting strange. He did eat a mysis this morning - which is an improvement. I think he's confused however. He swims on his side a lot. The tank is barebottom, and he keeps staring at his reflection, then when he sees the "other" fish swim away, he swims next to it. Swims across the tank, and then rights himself - hangs out normally, and then goes vertical looking at himself in the bottom and repeats. Not sure if this is a sign of something that I should treat now - or if he's just trying to get acclimated to his surroundings still. I held off on Prazipro (as of now) - the formalin comes in today so I figured tonight we'll do that fun part for him - and maybe start Prazi tomorrow. Thoughts?

03/09/2017, 08:44 PM	#5425
UncleSalt Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 185	So he seems to be doing okay. Ate a few more shrimps but nothing over the top. I have noticed him shaking his head so I started a round of prazipro. I did about 2ml for 5 gallons of water. Haven't seen much effect on him though. The formalin was SUPPOSED to be here today, but like everything lately, was delayed. Tomorrow when it comes, I'll give him a nice bath and back into the prazipro-water Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk