Lanthanum chloride

[GROSSR]

Have you read the first 51 pages?

rich

[mbrady]

Rich;

I have spent the last two hours reading this thread. The majority of the thread deals with treating an existing tank. Its been informative reading but does not address my situation.
My desire is a procedure to follow if you are not treating an existing tank.
Can anyone help?

[Srixon]

You may want to look at the Rock reincarnation thread

[Isayso]

Originally Posted by GROSSR

Have you read the first 51 pages?

rich

You beat me to it...
Lol...

[GROSSR]

Glad you read all the pages.

Let me ask this ... why is a tank any different than a garbage can full of rock sitting in salt water? There is no difference (from this discussions perspective). Follow what you read about a tank.

Here is what I do :


I drip into a 20 micron sock. I do that for my tank and the rubbermaid tub sitting outside with 75 lbs of rock. I use the same 20 micron socks, same method to drip. Some folks have talked just putting the LC in the vat, being you don't have fish, that would work, however, I like the idea of swapping out the sock when it begins to overflow.

I use an airline regulator to drip into the sock. You don't need a doser.



rich

[Diesel3443]

I think the rock in my tank is leaching phosphates due to the algae growth on it and my water always tests at zero.

Would dripping lanthanum help pull the phosphates out of the rocks? I have seen a few times in this thread that if you are testing at zero, there is no need, but I am sure the algae is just using it as fast as it is released.

I really do not want to pull my rock..

[GROSSR]

The LC won't directly pull the phosphate out of the rock. LC will take any phosphates in the water column out. Now, being your water will be nearer to zero phosphates, the rock will leach more phosphates into the water column, so you can retreat with LC.

Don't pull the rock. Take a maxijet and pump the water from one side of the sump to the other end while you drip the LC in to a 20 micron sock.

rich

[Diesel3443]

Gotcha. I will try doing that

[sbreefer]

Gary-- any updates on your LC use?

[Gary Majchrzak]

Originally Posted by sbreefer

Gary-- any updates on your LC use?

I'm still dosing as described in the beginning of this thread and results are fairly stellar.
If pix are worth a thousand words

[GROSSR]

Gary,

how often are you dosing?

I am dosing 1x a month and still fighting phosphates? I would dose more often if I knew there would be a benefit?

rich

[Gary Majchrzak]

I dose during my water changes-
roughly two or three times each month.

But you should base your dosage schedule to what YOUR system requires

[GROSSR]

Gary, 100% agreed. I just wanted to make sure 2 or 3 times a month would not be an issue. GFO is just not keeping up.

thanks

rich

[Gary Majchrzak]

Originally Posted by GROSSR

Gary, 100% agreed. I just wanted to make sure 2 or 3 times a month would not be an issue. GFO is just not keeping up.

thanks

rich

with GFO and proper LaCl3 dosing you should be able to drop PO4 faster than Kim Kardashian drops her pants

[nanomania]

Guys im from India and my family business is chemicals. Im getting 99.99% pure lanthanum chloride powder.. howmuch to dissolve in distilled water? And is there any dosage per gallon method? Do u need to mix lanthanum chloride with lanthanum sulfate? Also can we mix lanthanum chloride with alcohol for reduction of po4 with no3?

[nanomania]

Please help

[DRThompson]

Originally Posted by nanomania

Guys im from India and my family business is chemicals. Im getting 99.99% pure lanthanum chloride powder.. howmuch to dissolve in distilled water? And is there any dosage per gallon method? Do u need to mix lanthanum chloride with lanthanum sulfate? Also can we mix lanthanum chloride with alcohol for reduction of po4 with no3?

PM me for MSDS sheets if desired. Most of us use various pool products that contain Lanthanum to remove phosphates. The research I've done suggests the Lanthanum Chloride concentration is around 10-15% for most of the pool products available in the USA.

Be VERY careful using Lanthanum in your system. Most people use a drip method slowly adding the Lanthanum into a 10micron filter sock or dose it slowly thru some type of filter media reactor to collect the Lanthanum Phosphate precipitant. You want to minimize the exposure to your tank inhabitants (mainly fish). Please read up on this before you start dosing!!!!

I would not advise mixing Lanthanum with alcohol to help with nitrates. If you carbon dose with ethanol/vinegar or some other carbon source, it should be done separately. The mechanisms are completely different.

[nanomania]

Originally Posted by DRThompson

PM me for MSDS sheets if desired. Most of us use various pool products that contain Lanthanum to remove phosphates. The research I've done suggests the Lanthanum Chloride concentration is around 10-15% for most of the pool products available in the USA.

Be VERY careful using Lanthanum in your system. Most people use a drip method slowly adding the Lanthanum into a 10micron filter sock or dose it slowly thru some type of filter media reactor to collect the Lanthanum Phosphate precipitant. You want to minimize the exposure to your tank inhabitants (mainly fish). Please read up on this before you start dosing!!!!

I would not advise mixing Lanthanum with alcohol to help with nitrates. If you carbon dose with ethanol/vinegar or some other carbon source, it should be done separately. The mechanisms are completely different.

I came across derkroons dosing,

500 ml of derKroon Mechanics Lanthanum Chloride solution, which contains 800 mg per bottle. Each 250 ml of derKroon LaCl3 solution will remove 0.8 ppm phosphate in 1,250 liters of water.

[karimwassef]

great thread.

[derdudeberlin]

this thread is a great inspiration for me, thank you guys.



In the general reef discussion section I posted my latest project,
a combination of LaCl and a Rollermat. Making good success with it, phosphates are falling

cheers
Arne

[Aqua Man 07]

Originally Posted by Gary Majchrzak

with GFO and proper LaCl3 dosing you should be able to drop PO4 faster than Kim Kardashian drops her pants

best thing ive read on here yet lol

[Gary Majchrzak]

humor is the best med

[revnow]

Hi guys I posted and got some good advise in the beginners forum with my dry live rock/Pukani leaching Po4 in my bare uncycled DT. I did the bleach and Muriatic Acid bath, on the rock and was easier then i thought it be, still in the past 2 weeks that its been in my DT the levels of Po4 keep rising right now at .55ppm using my hanna phosphorous test kit. i am needing your experience to help me out the 53 pages was very informative, i have read a bunch of info on LC here and another guide else where.

My question: Is seaklear "Phosklear 4000" (it states it is a combo of the po4 remover and water clarifier (the msds of each type LC is the only listed active ingredient) is it ok for me to use in my DT following above formulas? I have no Live stock in my tank as stated before and I am running my power heads, heaters and skimmer currently no lights till I can get the po4 under control. BTW it was the only po4 remover i could get in my area if its definitely not ok I'll find it online

Thanks for any help, If any more info is needed about my 120g 40g sump setup I'll gladly list it.

[tmz]

I'm not familiar with SeaKlear 4000 you and don't know what the clarifier is or what imputies it may hold . An MSDS gives information on a limited number of ingredients; typically those with environmental or safety impacts. When I bought SeaKlear it came with a claifier in a separate small bottle; I never used that part of it. The manufacturer states the natural claifier which they still sell separately as well as inlcude in the 4000 product is sea shell particulates which I guess act as a flocculant of some sort .That may be ok depending on impuities.

After an acid bath new layers of sunk PO4 are opened up deeper in the rock and are exposed to equilibritation with the water; I suspect this accounts for the leaching now. Typically after the acid bath ,curing in zero PO4 water for a week or two checking PO4 and using lanthaum or another remover t is a prudent step for future applications.

[WLachnit]

This product has only LaCl3 listed in the MSDS.