Blue ringed octopus - Page 5

vangogh121 · 12/28/2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMoses

Weird you say that, I didn't find that disrespectful at all.

Shovel was debating law and can't spell the city he lives in correctly....

It's Rochester Hills.

Gonodactylus · 12/28/2009, 02:15 PM

vangogh121,

I make typos all the time when I post. While it may look sloppy, I don't think it disqualifies me from participating in this forum.

As a point of law, one of the toxins covered under the Patriot Act enacted after 9-11was TTX, the major (and probably the only) toxin in Hapalochlaena venom. Since I commonly have dozens of blue-rings in my laboratory, I was concerned if I could legal import and maintain these animals. I contacted various regulatory agencies and was told that I did not have to register live blue-rings, but if I extracted the TTX from them, that would be covered by the legislation and I would have to report having the covered material. To my knowledge this is the only federal statute that applies to this issue UNLESS you acquire blue-rings for malicious purposes.

Roy

mstrpln03 · 01/07/2010, 10:11 PM

Legality of ownership is on a state by state basis. They are illegal to own here in NJ but are legal believe it or not in some states. I know this through a friend who services tanks in Hospital Poison Control Centers. He says they are very shy and will run away when he puts his hand in the tank. That said, there is no way these should be available for home aquariums anywhere.

mstrpln03 · 01/07/2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cpony69

He is breaking the law just by having it in his possession without a permt.

This is a state by state law. They are illegal here in NJ but legal in other states.

Koshmar · 01/08/2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mstrpln03

I know this through a friend who services tanks in Hospital Poison Control Centers. He says they are very shy and will run away when he puts his hand in the tank.

Why do they have them in poison control centers? I thought there was no antivenon for TTX?

MrThate · 01/09/2010, 12:45 PM

our lfs hooks me and my roommate up all the time cause he knows how we are about cephalopods, he put an order in for an octopus vulgaris for us, but they sent him a blue ring. He wound up just giving us the blue ring for free since he knows that we know all about them (more or less ha) plus he didnt want it escaping or biting someone. not something you want running around. our blue ring survived for....8 hours or so, then our cuttlefish saw it and ate it

Thales · 01/10/2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mstrpln03

Legality of ownership is on a state by state basis. They are illegal to own here in NJ but are legal believe it or not in some states. I know this through a friend who services tanks in Hospital Poison Control Centers. He says they are very shy and will run away when he puts his hand in the tank. That said, there is no way these should be available for home aquariums anywhere.

Can you point us to that Law in NJ? I spent some time looking for it but came up empty. Thanks.

sbwood007 · 01/15/2010, 08:50 PM

I saw one the other day at a LFS here in So.California........ Did a double take but there it was.

nanafish · 01/18/2010, 06:12 PM

I saw one for sale on line. Was thinking of getting one. But I have cats that like to explore aquariums( even with lids/covers) and to have it shipped from California to Ohio - I would be concerned about its health even if it were overnighted.

reefergeorge · 02/16/2010, 07:52 PM

You guys are freaking out about a octopus.
I have a local store that has vipers, rattle snakes, cobras, anything you want as long as you have the money, and in some cases a permit.
I personally wouldn't keep a blue ring for the fact that I have kids, but if someone wants to keep one, let them. It's their money, and life.

Lmecher · 02/16/2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nanafish

I saw one for sale on line. Was thinking of getting one. But I have cats that like to explore aquariums( even with lids/covers) and to have it shipped from California to Ohio - I would be concerned about its health even if it were overnighted.

Your kidding really? I have 2 cats and 4 SW aquariums, they would never go near saltwater. The male is fascinated by my fiddler crabs. I had to put a secure cover on that tank. My octopus tank is very secure, only way he's getting out is if I forget to screw down the lid. My O. briareus came overnight from FL to IL, arrived in fine condition. I think it is the overall health of the animal that determines how it will handle shipping. I however do not advocate the keeping of bluerings. Too many things could go wrong and there are so many non-lethal species avaliable to hobbiests. It seems to me like it's a trophy thing, stupidity don't impress me much.

shovel · 02/17/2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dc

Shovel, you need to step away from this thread if you can't take conversation you don't agree with.

I have tried to abide by the rules here at R.c. What is wrong with what I said? I just responded to his opinoin with my own, after he publicly shamed everybody in this hobby.

Mustang Boy · 02/18/2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Koshmar

Why do they have them in poison control centers? I thought there was no antivenon for TTX?

at one point there was no antivenom for any venomous snake all it takes is research to find one, so they may have ongoing research trying to come up with an antivenom.

also i find these guys very intriguing but i doubt(not gonna say wont) i would ever own one unless i have a ton of experience with octos and was sure i could make a bulletproof top that had no chance of it getting out and i had kept several other octopuses prior

tgcreef · 03/02/2010, 07:43 PM

So what are the care requirements for this animal?

Xgame2k · 05/04/2010, 11:46 PM

And anyone have some good ideas to octo-proof a biocube 29?

crabbypatty · 05/05/2010, 11:08 PM

I used packing tape to seal my tank around the edges and around pump cords coming out of the tank. i used clear packing tape ,it looked good and invisible.i had a hole in the top with tape over it to feed threw. it worked perfect .. when you get one your so paranoid about getting out and coming to get you in the middle of the night, but honestly it seemed so peaceful and content with being in the tank. the blue rings are really really cool it was worth it. i wouldnt have another one due to the paranoia of escape that comes with owning the fish,it kind of takes the fun out of owning it.
i hope the tape helps it worked for me and i felt safe.

ashtree68 · 05/06/2010, 01:06 PM

The video that was posted a while back makes them look pretty small. Was it just a juvi or are they just that small?

Gonodactylus · 05/06/2010, 01:10 PM

They are that small.

ashtree68 · 05/07/2010, 11:52 AM

That's really cool, scary but cool.

Verge · 06/08/2010, 08:33 PM

Isn't there a chance that they aren't venomous in captiviy like poison dart frogs?

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Lmecher · 06/09/2010, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Verge

Isn't there a chance that they aren't venomous in captiviy like poison dart frogs?

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Not a single one

Verge · 06/09/2010, 02:45 PM

Doesn't the venom come from a bacteria, any idea where they get that? Maybe something they eat as juveniles and then they are carried on through life?

I'm just interested, I guess we dont really have the technology to find out yet.

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Lmecher · 06/12/2010, 10:57 PM

It is produced in their saliva and injected when they bite.

TeebD · 06/13/2010, 04:00 AM

They sure are pretty, but I don't think I want to risk it.

josh11551 · 06/13/2010, 09:16 AM

why would you want something that could kill you??

01/07/2010, 10:11 PM	#103
mstrpln03 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bergenfield NJ Posts: 61	Legality of ownership is on a state by state basis. They are illegal to own here in NJ but are legal believe it or not in some states. I know this through a friend who services tanks in Hospital Poison Control Centers. He says they are very shy and will run away when he puts his hand in the tank. That said, there is no way these should be available for home aquariums anywhere. __________________ The more I live the more I learn. Jerry Current Tank Info: 45 gallon reef, sps, lps and softies, mated pair of false percs w/ host gbta. 90 gallon fowl, v tail grouper and snowflake moray. 20 Gallon quarantine tank. I will be setting up a 55 gallon mixed reef and a 30 gallon rimless cube, sps tank.

01/18/2010, 06:12 PM	#109
nanafish Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: ohio/Col. Station 44028 Posts: 629	I saw one for sale on line. Was thinking of getting one. But I have cats that like to explore aquariums( even with lids/covers) and to have it shipped from California to Ohio - I would be concerned about its health even if it were overnighted. __________________ Just think how much deeper the ocean would be if sponges didn't live there! Current Tank Info: 60g Reef Snowflake Clowns, Gobies etc.

05/05/2010, 11:08 PM	#116
crabbypatty Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Great Lake state Posts: 60	octo proof I used packing tape to seal my tank around the edges and around pump cords coming out of the tank. i used clear packing tape ,it looked good and invisible.i had a hole in the top with tape over it to feed threw. it worked perfect .. when you get one your so paranoid about getting out and coming to get you in the middle of the night, but honestly it seemed so peaceful and content with being in the tank. the blue rings are really really cool it was worth it. i wouldnt have another one due to the paranoia of escape that comes with owning the fish,it kind of takes the fun out of owning it. i hope the tape helps it worked for me and i felt safe.

05/06/2010, 01:06 PM	#117
ashtree68 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lincoln Park-Chicago Posts: 1,922	The video that was posted a while back makes them look pretty small. Was it just a juvi or are they just that small? __________________ -Ashton

05/07/2010, 11:52 AM	#119
ashtree68 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lincoln Park-Chicago Posts: 1,922	That's really cool, scary but cool. __________________ -Ashton

12/28/2009, 02:15 PM	#102
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	vangogh121, I make typos all the time when I post. While it may look sloppy, I don't think it disqualifies me from participating in this forum. As a point of law, one of the toxins covered under the Patriot Act enacted after 9-11was TTX, the major (and probably the only) toxin in Hapalochlaena venom. Since I commonly have dozens of blue-rings in my laboratory, I was concerned if I could legal import and maintain these animals. I contacted various regulatory agencies and was told that I did not have to register live blue-rings, but if I extracted the TTX from them, that would be covered by the legislation and I would have to report having the covered material. To my knowledge this is the only federal statute that applies to this issue UNLESS you acquire blue-rings for malicious purposes. Roy

01/09/2010, 12:45 PM	#106
MrThate Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Stationed in Bremerton, Washington Posts: 4	our lfs hooks me and my roommate up all the time cause he knows how we are about cephalopods, he put an order in for an octopus vulgaris for us, but they sent him a blue ring. He wound up just giving us the blue ring for free since he knows that we know all about them (more or less ha) plus he didnt want it escaping or biting someone. not something you want running around. our blue ring survived for....8 hours or so, then our cuttlefish saw it and ate it

01/15/2010, 08:50 PM	#108
sbwood007 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Southern Ca. Posts: 520	I saw one the other day at a LFS here in So.California........ Did a double take but there it was.

02/16/2010, 07:52 PM	#110
reefergeorge Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St Louis MO Posts: 4,222	You guys are freaking out about a octopus. I have a local store that has vipers, rattle snakes, cobras, anything you want as long as you have the money, and in some cases a permit. I personally wouldn't keep a blue ring for the fact that I have kids, but if someone wants to keep one, let them. It's their money, and life.

03/02/2010, 07:43 PM	#114
tgcreef Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North Miami Beach Posts: 1,126	So what are the care requirements for this animal?

05/04/2010, 11:46 PM	#115
Xgame2k Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 786	And anyone have some good ideas to octo-proof a biocube 29?

05/06/2010, 01:10 PM	#118
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	They are that small.

06/08/2010, 08:33 PM	#120
Verge Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 6	Blue ringed octopus Isn't there a chance that they aren't venomous in captiviy like poison dart frogs? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

06/09/2010, 02:45 PM	#122
Verge Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 6	Blue ringed octopus Doesn't the venom come from a bacteria, any idea where they get that? Maybe something they eat as juveniles and then they are carried on through life? I'm just interested, I guess we dont really have the technology to find out yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

06/12/2010, 10:57 PM	#123
Lmecher Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,337	It is produced in their saliva and injected when they bite.

06/13/2010, 04:00 AM	#124
TeebD Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 151	They sure are pretty, but I don't think I want to risk it.

06/13/2010, 09:16 AM	#125
josh11551 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 162	why would you want something that could kill you??