How to build a CO2 regulator for your calcium reactor. - Page 38

moondoggy4 · 08/24/2016, 08:18 PM

The precision meter is 316 stainless some of the numbers 55 ?? VH Nupro aka Swagelok and it is 60 bucks.

vhuang168 · 08/24/2016, 09:45 PM

1st should be letters. Probably SS for stainless steel. Last letters show a vernier handle which is nice. The middle letters/number is important because it tells you the size and type of fittings it has. $60 is fair.

alanle · 08/24/2016, 10:09 PM

Hey guys I just started a CO2 systems group on FB. You are more than welcome to join.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1162232157132921/

-Alan

mic209 · 08/25/2016, 08:01 AM

@moondoggy4, look at the pic I posted on post 907, it tells you about the different concoa 312's, just match up the numbers after the 312 on the part number.

soulpatch · 08/25/2016, 10:27 AM

I know costs are all over the place depending on the type of deal you can find on ebay but ball park what are we looking at here for a quality setup? I dont care if stainless or brass as I will plasti dip anyway to color coordinate with the rest of my stand setup but curious.

With the dual stage does that negte the end of tank dump and issues with the needle valve or does it only give you better insight that it is coming so you can address earlier?

I was looking at the carbon doser for ease of use but I have a concern that should it fail open or such I am screwed unless I still add another shutoff. With these you rely on the needle valve and have the solenoid as backup so it already has redundancy.

Plus from a cosmetic standpoint these are sexy vs the carbon doser... and that counts for something.

Lyscer · 08/25/2016, 11:32 PM

@soulpatch, Here was my parts list and prices. I am ~$400 into my setup including Co2 tank. I did have to drop $40 on new gauges though because they were damaged when they were shipped to me. You could probably go quite a bit cheaper on the fitting too if you went brass since you will be using plastidip. Hopefully this list helps out some people.

- CONCOA 432 Stainless Steel Regulator ($60)
- CGA 320 Nipple+Nut+Washer (Brass) ($10)
- Burkert 6011a Stainless Steel solenoid ($42)
- Burkert DC Power Supply ($7.99)
- Wika 0-30psi pressure gauge ($20.75)
- Wika 0-1000psi pressure gauge ($20.75)
- 5lb Co2 Tank ($58.78)
- Swagelok fittings
-- (2x) SS-2-SE ($33.2 for both)
-- SS-4-HRN-2 ($6.30)
-- SS-4-TA-1-2 ($5.60)
-- SS-401-PC ($5.70)
-- Swagelok Meter Valve, SS-SS4-VH ($132)

soulpatch · 08/26/2016, 07:18 AM

Awesome thanks for the list. Considering that the carbon doser is 300 and if I take the tank out of yours it is basically the same it seems to work out in my favor to go with a serious system. Especially when I consider that you have a backup to the needle valve whereas the carbon doser is without redundancy.

bobafet1 · 08/26/2016, 10:07 AM

Can brass fittings from Home Depot be used if the regulator is brass ? It's a lot cheaper buying those then ordering swagelok fittings. I used pipe thread sealant along with teflon tape for all the fittings.

This is what I have so far for under $200

alanle · 08/26/2016, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobafet1

Can brass fittings from Home Depot be used if the regulator is brass ? It's a lot cheaper buying those then ordering swagelok fittings. I used pipe thread sealant along with teflon tape for all the fittings.

This is what I have so far for under $200

do a soapy water leak test.

bobafet1 · 08/26/2016, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanle

do a soapy water leak test.

Cool man, thanks!

SkyReef · 08/27/2016, 09:18 AM

I notice my needle valve does not really affect the bubble counter; I have to turn the main regulator knob to effect a change. Is the needle valve really supposed to make a difference in bubble count? I can't dial it in with the needle valve. I bought a used regulator, so maybe it's broken. What are your experiences with the usefulness of the needle valve, versus the main regulator knob, when dialing in a good bubble count?

mic209 · 08/28/2016, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyReef

I notice my needle valve does not really affect the bubble counter; I have to turn the main regulator knob to effect a change. Is the needle valve really supposed to make a difference in bubble count? I can't dial it in with the needle valve. I bought a used regulator, so maybe it's broken. What are your experiences with the usefulness of the needle valve, versus the main regulator knob, when dialing in a good bubble count?

What PSI are you running? Looks like 5 in the pic? That seems a little low, I think the norm is 10-15psi.

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moondoggy4 · 08/28/2016, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mic209

@moondoggy4, look at the pic I posted on post 907, it tells you about the different concoa 312's, just match up the numbers after the 312 on the part number.

Thanks for the link

now all I have to do is get my old man eyes to read it.

bobafet1 · 08/30/2016, 08:14 PM

I bought my 6011 Burkert from ebay and noticed it came with a 2506 type connection. The Burkert says 24v=4W and the connection says 0-250V AC/DC. Am I suppose to use a certain power supply with this or just a wire it up direct with a cord?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks

alanle · 08/31/2016, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobafet1

I bought my 6011 Burkert from ebay and noticed it came with a 2506 type connection. The Burkert says 24v=4W and the connection says 0-250V AC/DC. Am I suppose to use a certain power supply with this or just a wire it up direct with a cord?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks

That means input can be 0-250 volts. Output is 24v 4 watts. Any pictures?

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Lyscer · 08/31/2016, 05:33 AM

@bobafet1 If you look on ebay for item number: 151752677165 that is the 24v power supply (UL listed) I bought for my 24v burkert 6011a solenoid . If you check out this link it has really good info on how to wire up the 2506 connection.
http://www.barrreport.com/forum/barr...-6011-solenoid

SkyReef · 08/31/2016, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mic209

What PSI are you running? Looks like 5 in the pic? That seems a little low, I think the norm is 10-15psi.

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Thanks, mic209. That might be the problem. I read somewhere that my PSI was not supposed to exceed 10 PSI--I think I read that in a GEO Calcium Reactor post.

mic209 · 08/31/2016, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobafet1

I bought my 6011 Burkert from ebay and noticed it came with a 2506 type connection. The Burkert says 24v=4W and the connection says 0-250V AC/DC. Am I suppose to use a certain power supply with this or just a wire it up direct with a cord?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks

By any chance Does it say 60hz? There were some 24 volt A/C burkerts on eBay, watch out for those and don't hook up a DC power supply to it.

bobafet1 · 08/31/2016, 11:23 AM

Here are pics.

soulpatch · 09/06/2016, 08:41 AM

what about these complete units? I know cost is associated with not getting piece by piece but cheaper then carbondoser and looks to be a lot of parts used in this thread.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Stage-R...MAAOSwNsdXQmgE

vhuang168 · 09/06/2016, 09:54 AM

Looks to be essentially a DIY co2 reg that he gathered parts for and is selling as a package. Looks to be a dual stage reg but the gauge configuration is different than most regs. I don't know if that is a sign of something off or if that is just how that particular reg is designed.

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soulpatch · 09/06/2016, 09:58 AM

He has others with more normal gauges but was just more concerned I'm not missing anything gong this route. I dint mind spending a couple bucks extra to get it all in one shot...

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bobafet1 · 09/06/2016, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyscer

@bobafet1 If you look on ebay for item number: 151752677165 that is the 24v power supply (UL listed) I bought for my 24v burkert 6011a solenoid . If you check out this link it has really good info on how to wire up the 2506 connection.
http://www.barrreport.com/forum/barr...-6011-solenoid

Ok, just so I'm clear I do need the 24v adapter from somewhere, right?

alanle · 09/06/2016, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soulpatch

what about these complete units? I know cost is associated with not getting piece by piece but cheaper then carbondoser and looks to be a lot of parts used in this thread.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Stage-R...MAAOSwNsdXQmgE

He went and bought all of the parts on ebay and has been trying to sell the systems. The only part that he did not do right is the needle valve. The port size is 1/16. It is very small and fragile. We have warned him about this on the other forum.

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soulpatch · 09/06/2016, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanle

He went and bought all of the parts on ebay and has been trying to sell the systems. The only part that he did not do right is the needle valve. The port size is 1/16. It is very small and fragile. We have warned him about this on the other forum.

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Ok thanks. I will avoid his auctions and do it the right way of piecing together myself...

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08/24/2016, 09:45 PM	#927
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	1st should be letters. Probably SS for stainless steel. Last letters show a vernier handle which is nice. The middle letters/number is important because it tells you the size and type of fittings it has. $60 is fair. __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

08/25/2016, 10:27 AM	#930
soulpatch Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 4,017	I know costs are all over the place depending on the type of deal you can find on ebay but ball park what are we looking at here for a quality setup? I dont care if stainless or brass as I will plasti dip anyway to color coordinate with the rest of my stand setup but curious. With the dual stage does that negte the end of tank dump and issues with the needle valve or does it only give you better insight that it is coming so you can address earlier? I was looking at the carbon doser for ease of use but I have a concern that should it fail open or such I am screwed unless I still add another shutoff. With these you rely on the needle valve and have the solenoid as backup so it already has redundancy. Plus from a cosmetic standpoint these are sexy vs the carbon doser... and that counts for something. __________________ 150 SC tank build: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2550948 Some have bar tabs. I have a coral tab at my LFS. Life goals.

08/25/2016, 11:32 PM	#931
Lyscer Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 675	@soulpatch, Here was my parts list and prices. I am ~$400 into my setup including Co2 tank. I did have to drop $40 on new gauges though because they were damaged when they were shipped to me. You could probably go quite a bit cheaper on the fitting too if you went brass since you will be using plastidip. Hopefully this list helps out some people. - CONCOA 432 Stainless Steel Regulator ($60) - CGA 320 Nipple+Nut+Washer (Brass) ($10) - Burkert 6011a Stainless Steel solenoid ($42) - Burkert DC Power Supply ($7.99) - Wika 0-30psi pressure gauge ($20.75) - Wika 0-1000psi pressure gauge ($20.75) - 5lb Co2 Tank ($58.78) - Swagelok fittings -- (2x) SS-2-SE ($33.2 for both) -- SS-4-HRN-2 ($6.30) -- SS-4-TA-1-2 ($5.60) -- SS-401-PC ($5.70) -- Swagelok Meter Valve, SS-SS4-VH ($132) __________________ 68 Cadlights Versa 24" x 8 ATI Dimmable Sunpower 2 x Gyre XF-130 DIY Arduino Uno Controller with temp probes and 8 outlets ran from web interface ReefOctopus Skimmer and Eheim 1262 return Current Tank Info: 68 Cadlights Versa

08/26/2016, 07:18 AM	#932
soulpatch Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 4,017	Awesome thanks for the list. Considering that the carbon doser is 300 and if I take the tank out of yours it is basically the same it seems to work out in my favor to go with a serious system. Especially when I consider that you have a backup to the needle valve whereas the carbon doser is without redundancy. __________________ 150 SC tank build: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2550948 Some have bar tabs. I have a coral tab at my LFS. Life goals.

08/26/2016, 10:07 AM	#933
bobafet1 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 92336 Posts: 1,822	Can brass fittings from Home Depot be used if the regulator is brass ? It's a lot cheaper buying those then ordering swagelok fittings. I used pipe thread sealant along with teflon tape for all the fittings. This is what I have so far for under $200 Last edited by bobafet1; 08/26/2016 at 10:20 AM.

08/24/2016, 08:18 PM	#926
moondoggy4 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: menifee So cal Posts: 11,042	The precision meter is 316 stainless some of the numbers 55 ?? VH Nupro aka Swagelok and it is 60 bucks.

08/24/2016, 10:09 PM	#928
alanle Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 307	Hey guys I just started a CO2 systems group on FB. You are more than welcome to join. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1162232157132921/ -Alan

08/25/2016, 08:01 AM	#929
mic209 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Arroyo Grande, CA Posts: 1,338	@moondoggy4, look at the pic I posted on post 907, it tells you about the different concoa 312's, just match up the numbers after the 312 on the part number.

08/27/2016, 09:18 AM	#936
SkyReef Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sparks, NV Posts: 496	I notice my needle valve does not really affect the bubble counter; I have to turn the main regulator knob to effect a change. Is the needle valve really supposed to make a difference in bubble count? I can't dial it in with the needle valve. I bought a used regulator, so maybe it's broken. What are your experiences with the usefulness of the needle valve, versus the main regulator knob, when dialing in a good bubble count? __________________ The aquarium is expanding, to meet the needs of the expanding aquarium. Current Tank Info: Aquarium: 75-Gal. Reef Aquarium Last edited by SkyReef; 08/27/2016 at 09:24 AM.

08/30/2016, 08:14 PM	#939
bobafet1 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 92336 Posts: 1,822	I bought my 6011 Burkert from ebay and noticed it came with a 2506 type connection. The Burkert says 24v=4W and the connection says 0-250V AC/DC. Am I suppose to use a certain power supply with this or just a wire it up direct with a cord? Any info is appreciated. Thanks

08/31/2016, 05:33 AM	#941
Lyscer Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 675	@bobafet1 If you look on ebay for item number: 151752677165 that is the 24v power supply (UL listed) I bought for my 24v burkert 6011a solenoid . If you check out this link it has really good info on how to wire up the 2506 connection. http://www.barrreport.com/forum/barr...-6011-solenoid __________________ 68 Cadlights Versa 24" x 8 ATI Dimmable Sunpower 2 x Gyre XF-130 DIY Arduino Uno Controller with temp probes and 8 outlets ran from web interface ReefOctopus Skimmer and Eheim 1262 return Current Tank Info: 68 Cadlights Versa

08/31/2016, 11:23 AM	#944
bobafet1 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 92336 Posts: 1,822	Here are pics.

09/06/2016, 08:41 AM	#945
soulpatch Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 4,017	what about these complete units? I know cost is associated with not getting piece by piece but cheaper then carbondoser and looks to be a lot of parts used in this thread. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Stage-R...MAAOSwNsdXQmgE __________________ 150 SC tank build: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2550948 Some have bar tabs. I have a coral tab at my LFS. Life goals.

09/06/2016, 09:54 AM	#946
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	Looks to be essentially a DIY co2 reg that he gathered parts for and is selling as a package. Looks to be a dual stage reg but the gauge configuration is different than most regs. I don't know if that is a sign of something off or if that is just how that particular reg is designed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

09/06/2016, 09:58 AM	#947
soulpatch Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 4,017	He has others with more normal gauges but was just more concerned I'm not missing anything gong this route. I dint mind spending a couple bucks extra to get it all in one shot... Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk __________________ 150 SC tank build: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2550948 Some have bar tabs. I have a coral tab at my LFS. Life goals.