Breeding Pair of Onyx Clownfish - Page 3

duncaholic · 04/03/2011, 12:18 PM

IME starting my larvae on oto is usually around day 4-5 and this seems to work well. Although I still keep a small rot population through day 8-9. By then they have usually made the switch.
IDK if you should remove the blacking on the sides earlier than meta, although most of the breeders on this site seem to have very good succes doing so. My last hatch has been in a black tub, and has done very well. Compared with the 5-6 before that that experienced 100% mortality, I think eliminating side lighting has worked well for me. There have been studies that strongly suggest clown larvae remain highly sensitive to light until they are past meta. But at 18 dyas, they should be there.
Water changes in larval systems can be tricky to say the least. Even if you match the salinity/yemperature parms well, newly mixed synthetic salt water IME can be an absolute killer. IDK why, but everytime I used to use new water in ant tank, it would stress it heavily. Now I pre-mix water at least 24 hours in advance and keep a strong current moving in it the entire time, but still it can be dangerous. Especially if the PH is much different. PH seems to me to affect the impact of other chemistry issues.
Even if you are using parent tank water, a 90% change is quite drastic. I hope that you added the new water very slowly. Most people say no more than one drop per second, and I think that's a good rule of thumb.
Hope that your babies are doing well. post some pics if you can!!!

daddys12562078 · 04/03/2011, 02:46 PM

they are beautiful i dont want a breeding pair i just want one of those just like yours they are the prettiest i have seen

madean · 04/03/2011, 09:01 PM

I think a 90% water change is really drastic. Maybe a gallon or two max every few days would be better, syphoning all the excess food and waiste during the smaller water change. And then slow dripping broodstock tank water into the larval tank to replace your water. I dont have any experience doing this but this has what my research suggests.

madean · 04/03/2011, 09:31 PM

Seems like after 30 days the fry are pretty well off and can handle nsw changes, again this is research from others experiences. But for you it might be easier to use broodstock tank water for water changes because a) your larval tank water volume is very small and b) you are only trying to raise a few fry and not multiple tanks full of hundreds of fry. So for simplicity, as long as your broodstock water is of good quality, just use that water to change the larval tank water. For example change a gallon of water on the larval tank on wed. The broodstock tank should be able to handle the loss of a gallon with out any problems. Than do the same on the weekend when you do a small water change on your broofstock tank. Making sure to replace the water lost due to evap and the water used on wed. Either way it seems that consistent care and good husbandry is the key here. Again this is just what I am gathering from others experiences. Every situation is diferent for people.

salt0727 · 04/04/2011, 12:18 PM

great thread and beautiful parents

jonnybravo22 · 04/07/2011, 03:38 PM

thanks all.

i have lost a couple in the last week that have shown similar pattern. they are not colorful, in fact very translucent almost clear (while their brothers are dark / brown at the moment), and the next day or two they die.

what could be causing 1 or 2 at a time to be clear instead of colorful? are they not getting the same food others are wor is this more likely water quality? i have been doing small water changes daily for the last couple of days to combat issue.

others that arent showing this pattern seem to be doing well and have their headstripes.

jonnybravo22 · 04/15/2011, 08:31 AM

ever experienced a clown that survived but doesnt go through meta? i have one that just doesnt look the same as his brothers all of whom have clearly gone through meta. he's smaller and still sort of half-meta. ever seen that? thoughts? thanks.

duncaholic · 04/15/2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jonnybravo22

ever experienced a clown that survived but doesnt go through meta? i have one that just doesnt look the same as his brothers all of whom have clearly gone through meta. he's smaller and still sort of half-meta. ever seen that? thoughts? thanks.

Probably a runt with a poorly develop digestive track. I've got one in a batch with some +/- 80 day old fish, and he's majorly messed up. Huge underbite, weird body shape and very little white. If yours has developed the orange color, but not the white stripes, he's probably got genetic issues. Hate to say it, but you'll probably want to cull him eventually. I would say just do it now and save yourself the trouble, but I know from experience that can be difficult ... emotionally.
-m

jonnybravo22 · 04/15/2011, 08:19 PM

thanks for chiming in duncaholic.

i was thinking it might come to that and have been trying to figure out what method i would use. i've heard of a few / read Joyce's book.

jonnybravo22 · 04/29/2011, 11:11 PM

these baby clowns are growing up!

napier02 · 05/03/2011, 04:42 AM

when you have some to sell let me know

stickleback · 06/28/2011, 05:09 AM

Any updates??

jonnybravo22 · 06/30/2011, 01:39 AM

thanks for checking in! they are great! i think i'm actually ready to start selling. they are getting stripe 2, its mostly in for some of them.

i dont know exactly what the size / age guidelines are for selling though. so i'll be watching and responding to PMs.

jonnybravo22 · 07/09/2011, 01:57 PM

These guys are ready to find new homes!! Trying to get new homes for everyone ASAP!

this is me · 07/10/2011, 02:21 PM

wow! they are really exciting!

lps1212 · 07/10/2011, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnybravo22

thanks for checking in! they are great! i think i'm actually ready to start selling. they are getting stripe 2, its mostly in for some of them.

i dont know exactly what the size / age guidelines are for selling though. so i'll be watching and responding to PMs.

Put me down for a pair

flare1185 · 07/10/2011, 10:36 PM

I would go half with u in shipping.

NorthReefer · 07/11/2011, 11:51 AM

dam thats nice i would like to try this something in the near future

btw did the eggs hatch in your tank with the parents then you removed them?

xjaydub20x · 02/24/2012, 12:57 PM

How's this pair doing?

jonnybravo22 · 02/24/2012, 08:54 PM

they are doing GREAT! thanks for asking!

i moved and changed the tank around and they are still happily laying eggs every couple of weeks! I have not raised a clutch since that first time, but those guys did well and i plan to raise more in the future (but it's tough in an apartment). maybe i'll even get around to posting a fresh pic

!

jonnybravo22 · 02/24/2012, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthReefer

dam thats nice i would like to try this something in the near future

btw did the eggs hatch in your tank with the parents then you removed them?

eggs hatched in the tank and i removed them. figured it's easier than trying to move the eggs given they lay on the anemone rock.

subielover · 05/05/2012, 01:48 PM

Any pics from that original batch of clowns? Great thread, by the way!

just1327 · 05/19/2012, 10:24 PM

Nice pair of clowns

06bug · 12/22/2012, 04:32 PM

I just got a large pair of Onyx clowns in hopes of going through the same process some day. Your post was very interesting and informative. Thanks for letting us tag along.

saltyjo · 01/01/2013, 04:57 PM

Great Job Johnny for your first attempt. I am a bit jealous. I am on my third real attempt over the course of a year. My batch I have currenly is just 2 days old but I have around 75 or so. I just saw your thread and read it from begining to end. Did you try to raise any more?
Happy New Year!

04/03/2011, 12:18 PM	#51
duncaholic Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville,FL Posts: 263	IME starting my larvae on oto is usually around day 4-5 and this seems to work well. Although I still keep a small rot population through day 8-9. By then they have usually made the switch. IDK if you should remove the blacking on the sides earlier than meta, although most of the breeders on this site seem to have very good succes doing so. My last hatch has been in a black tub, and has done very well. Compared with the 5-6 before that that experienced 100% mortality, I think eliminating side lighting has worked well for me. There have been studies that strongly suggest clown larvae remain highly sensitive to light until they are past meta. But at 18 dyas, they should be there. Water changes in larval systems can be tricky to say the least. Even if you match the salinity/yemperature parms well, newly mixed synthetic salt water IME can be an absolute killer. IDK why, but everytime I used to use new water in ant tank, it would stress it heavily. Now I pre-mix water at least 24 hours in advance and keep a strong current moving in it the entire time, but still it can be dangerous. Especially if the PH is much different. PH seems to me to affect the impact of other chemistry issues. Even if you are using parent tank water, a 90% change is quite drastic. I hope that you added the new water very slowly. Most people say no more than one drop per second, and I think that's a good rule of thumb. Hope that your babies are doing well. post some pics if you can!!! __________________ too many tanks to list

07/10/2011, 02:21 PM	#65
this is me Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,074	wow! they are really exciting! __________________ Nick When a man talks dirty to a woman, it's sexual harassment. When a woman talks dirty to a man, it's $4.95 per minute. Current Tank Info: Miracle 360 gallons

07/11/2011, 11:51 AM	#68
NorthReefer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 66	dam thats nice i would like to try this something in the near future btw did the eggs hatch in your tank with the parents then you removed them? Last edited by Dino; 07/27/2011 at 12:37 PM.

05/05/2012, 01:48 PM	#72
subielover Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 80	Any pics from that original batch of clowns? Great thread, by the way! __________________ 40 breeder: Mixed reef Biocube 14: LPS and zoanthids

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04/03/2011, 02:46 PM	#52
daddys12562078 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 12	they are beautiful i dont want a breeding pair i just want one of those just like yours they are the prettiest i have seen

04/03/2011, 09:01 PM	#53
madean Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 994	I think a 90% water change is really drastic. Maybe a gallon or two max every few days would be better, syphoning all the excess food and waiste during the smaller water change. And then slow dripping broodstock tank water into the larval tank to replace your water. I dont have any experience doing this but this has what my research suggests.

04/03/2011, 09:31 PM	#54
madean Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 994	Seems like after 30 days the fry are pretty well off and can handle nsw changes, again this is research from others experiences. But for you it might be easier to use broodstock tank water for water changes because a) your larval tank water volume is very small and b) you are only trying to raise a few fry and not multiple tanks full of hundreds of fry. So for simplicity, as long as your broodstock water is of good quality, just use that water to change the larval tank water. For example change a gallon of water on the larval tank on wed. The broodstock tank should be able to handle the loss of a gallon with out any problems. Than do the same on the weekend when you do a small water change on your broofstock tank. Making sure to replace the water lost due to evap and the water used on wed. Either way it seems that consistent care and good husbandry is the key here. Again this is just what I am gathering from others experiences. Every situation is diferent for people.

04/04/2011, 12:18 PM	#55
salt0727 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Elgin Posts: 271	great thread and beautiful parents

04/07/2011, 03:38 PM	#56
jonnybravo22 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,128	thanks all. i have lost a couple in the last week that have shown similar pattern. they are not colorful, in fact very translucent almost clear (while their brothers are dark / brown at the moment), and the next day or two they die. what could be causing 1 or 2 at a time to be clear instead of colorful? are they not getting the same food others are wor is this more likely water quality? i have been doing small water changes daily for the last couple of days to combat issue. others that arent showing this pattern seem to be doing well and have their headstripes.

04/15/2011, 08:31 AM	#57
jonnybravo22 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,128	ever experienced a clown that survived but doesnt go through meta? i have one that just doesnt look the same as his brothers all of whom have clearly gone through meta. he's smaller and still sort of half-meta. ever seen that? thoughts? thanks.

04/15/2011, 08:19 PM	#59
jonnybravo22 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,128	thanks for chiming in duncaholic. i was thinking it might come to that and have been trying to figure out what method i would use. i've heard of a few / read Joyce's book.

04/29/2011, 11:11 PM	#60
jonnybravo22 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,128	these baby clowns are growing up!

05/03/2011, 04:42 AM	#61
napier02 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 53	when you have some to sell let me know

06/28/2011, 05:09 AM	#62
stickleback Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 189	Any updates??

06/30/2011, 01:39 AM	#63
jonnybravo22 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,128	thanks for checking in! they are great! i think i'm actually ready to start selling. they are getting stripe 2, its mostly in for some of them. i dont know exactly what the size / age guidelines are for selling though. so i'll be watching and responding to PMs.

07/09/2011, 01:57 PM	#64
jonnybravo22 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,128	These guys are ready to find new homes!! Trying to get new homes for everyone ASAP!

07/10/2011, 10:36 PM	#67
flare1185 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 473	I would go half with u in shipping.

02/24/2012, 12:57 PM	#69
xjaydub20x Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 9	How's this pair doing?

02/24/2012, 08:54 PM	#70
jonnybravo22 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,128	they are doing GREAT! thanks for asking! i moved and changed the tank around and they are still happily laying eggs every couple of weeks! I have not raised a clutch since that first time, but those guys did well and i plan to raise more in the future (but it's tough in an apartment). maybe i'll even get around to posting a fresh pic !

05/19/2012, 10:24 PM	#73
just1327 Registered Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 16	Nice pair of clowns

12/22/2012, 04:32 PM	#74
06bug Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 96	I just got a large pair of Onyx clowns in hopes of going through the same process some day. Your post was very interesting and informative. Thanks for letting us tag along.

01/01/2013, 04:57 PM	#75
saltyjo Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Rome NY Posts: 265	Great Job Johnny for your first attempt. I am a bit jealous. I am on my third real attempt over the course of a year. My batch I have currenly is just 2 days old but I have around 75 or so. I just saw your thread and read it from begining to end. Did you try to raise any more? Happy New Year!