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Old 11/23/2015, 03:12 PM   #2226
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Cyanobacteria building up on rock work (probably from over feeding). Did water change because of nitrates, and boom! Dino explosion all on sandbed. Any recommendations?


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Old 11/23/2015, 04:03 PM   #2227
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I'd stop the water changes for the time being, and check into nutrient control. Nutrient control doesn't always work, but it can in some cases. I would guess that the ammonia or trace elements in the salt mix are the cause of the bloom.


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Old 11/23/2015, 04:33 PM   #2228
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Cyanobacteria building up on rock work (probably from over feeding). Did water change because of nitrates, and boom! Dino explosion all on sandbed. Any recommendations?
yea dont do a water change...its been over two months since a did one and im not sure when i might try.........lol.......


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Old 11/23/2015, 10:52 PM   #2229
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This damn dinos is making me hate the hobby. Been fighing for 6 months now. Damn! Cant even enjoy what I spend so much money on.


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Old 11/23/2015, 11:39 PM   #2230
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This damn dinos is making me hate the hobby. Been fighing for 6 months now. Damn! Cant even enjoy what I spend so much money on.
It's tough and patience is hard to come by but it's worth it. I've been through it all and you will come out ahead eventually.


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Old 11/24/2015, 07:29 AM   #2231
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Cyanobacteria building up on rock work (probably from over feeding). Did water change because of nitrates, and boom! Dino explosion all on sand bed. Any recommendations?
Remove the sand bed, slowly, the dinos love the substrate. It was a major turning point in the battle for me, my battle was @ 14 months but only about 2 months once I went dirty and removed the sand bed. I put a new sand bed in after dinos were gone.


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Old 11/24/2015, 08:19 AM   #2232
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This damn dinos is making me hate the hobby. Been fighing for 6 months now. Damn! Cant even enjoy what I spend so much money on.
did you do the lights out yet ??...


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Old 11/24/2015, 02:09 PM   #2233
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Remove the sand bed, slowly, the dinos love the substrate. It was a major turning point in the battle for me, my battle was @ 14 months but only about 2 months once I went dirty and removed the sand bed. I put a new sand bed in after dinos were gone.
Now the dinos are creeping up on rock work. What do I do about my pistol shrimp, and snails that live in the sand like nassarius and ceriths?

Also, do you think it would be okay to reuse sand if I wash it with RO water? After like 3 weeks of it being in the dark in fresh water? I doubt anything will live.

I just don't want to spend another $40 on sand.


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Old 11/24/2015, 02:10 PM   #2234
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Also, I have sps aND a very nice piece of Hawkins echinata. Will going dirty kill them?


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Old 11/24/2015, 02:10 PM   #2235
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did you do the lights out yet ??...
Yeah, it pushes them back, but they always come back like nothing happened.


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Old 11/24/2015, 03:01 PM   #2236
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Now the dinos are creeping up on rock work. What do I do about my pistol shrimp, and snails that live in the sand like nassarius and ceriths?

Also, do you think it would be okay to reuse sand if I wash it with RO water? After like 3 weeks of it being in the dark in fresh water? I doubt anything will live.

I just don't want to spend another $40 on sand.
Remove all but whats under the rocks and in the shadow of the rocks, the pistol and snails will be fine.
If you reuse the sand I would bleach it or boil it to make sure there are no dinos or cysts.


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Old 11/24/2015, 03:03 PM   #2237
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Also, I have sps aND a very nice piece of Hawkins echinata. Will going dirty kill them?
I'm not sure but I think they would just lose some color but should bounce back after.


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Old 11/24/2015, 04:15 PM   #2238
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I know how you feel BillyBatz. Nothing more frustrating than this!!

Thankfully as hoped my cyano has started to tail off. Right now I'm seeing a really cool green algae grow in my tank, not take over. Im assuming this green algae is helping keep the tank in balance?

Here you can see both the cyano and green algae in one shot. I think this is all part of the process to establish and healthy balance of life in my tank:






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Old 11/24/2015, 05:37 PM   #2239
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I know how you feel BillyBatz. Nothing more frustrating than this!!

Thankfully as hoped my cyano has started to tail off. Right now I'm seeing a really cool green algae grow in my tank, not take over. Im assuming this green algae is helping keep the tank in balance?

Here you can see both the cyano and green algae in one shot. I think this is all part of the process to establish and healthy balance of life in my tank:



My dinoflagellates algae looks just like yours.


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Old 11/24/2015, 07:40 PM   #2240
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Looks more like cyano? Did you look through a microscope?


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Old 11/24/2015, 08:05 PM   #2241
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I know how you feel BillyBatz. Nothing more frustrating than this!!

Thankfully as hoped my cyano has started to tail off. Right now I'm seeing a really cool green algae grow in my tank, not take over. Im assuming this green algae is helping keep the tank in balance?

Here you can see both the cyano and green algae in one shot. I think this is all part of the process to establish and healthy balance of life in my tank:



I was where you are, lose the sand bed, it's helping the dinos hold on. IMO and IME


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Old 11/24/2015, 09:12 PM   #2242
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Looks more like cyano? Did you look through a microscope?
Looks like that to me to or at least a combo with cyano in there.


I'm almost tempted to blow this off and see if it comes back. It's looking very pathetic. But I think I'll let it sit longer and consume what ever its taking in and die off. It's looking extremely pathetic now.




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Dinos are looking to be on their way out.



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Old 11/25/2015, 11:37 PM   #2244
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Cyanobacteria building up on rock work (probably from over feeding). Did water change because of nitrates, and boom! Dino explosion all on sandbed. Any recommendations?
The dino explosion's not surprising. Feel free to blame me. (I figured the high ammonia with no obvious source might get worse and is a problem to all your critters while your dinos aren't immediately toxic as you've had ongoing issues with them.) Did your ammonia drop? I don't change my filter socks at all, but mine aren't 10 micron.

I'm not making fun of you; my tank's N and P crashed and I'm back at the beginning with a lot of dinos. It is crazy-making to not have an enjoyable tank when one is trying to do things right.

Re the dirty method, you're already doing it if your nitrates were that high. What's your phosphate? I have mostly lps and they actually look better after a few weeks of measurable nitrate. Monti caps and my 2 unknowns too.

@bheron Your tank continues to rebalance, I'm glad to see it.
@jason that stuff is definitely dying off!

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Old 11/27/2015, 02:26 AM   #2245
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Can someone help please. I wasn't sure if I had Dino or not. It only grows on my rocks and coral plugs. I've had some SPS frags die from it over growing on their plugs and causing them to recede. It doesn't have the bubbles on the plugs. More like brown fuzz. Here's some pics:
I've tried lights out for 72 hours and it stopped the growth, only to come right back. I've try peroxide 1ml per 10 gallons 2xdaily for the past week. I'm not sure what it could be. I greatly appreciate your help.


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does it blow off or does it take a little rubbing?


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does it blow off or does it take a little rubbing?

It takes rubbing. I have to use a toothbrush. Some areas I can blow off with a turkey baster.


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if it blows off, then it's dinos or cyano.

If you can to rub it off with a toothbrush, it's probably brown hair algae?


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Old 11/27/2015, 08:42 AM   #2249
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The dino explosion's not surprising. Feel free to blame me. (I figured the high ammonia with no obvious source might get worse and is a problem to all your critters while your dinos aren't immediately toxic as you've had ongoing issues with them.) Did your ammonia drop? I don't change my filter socks at all, but mine aren't 10 micron.

I'm not making fun of you; my tank's N and P crashed and I'm back at the beginning with a lot of dinos. It is crazy-making to not have an enjoyable tank when one is trying to do things right.

Re the dirty method, you're already doing it if your nitrates were that high. What's your phosphate? I have mostly lps and they actually look better after a few weeks of measurable nitrate. Monti caps and my 2 unknowns too.

@bheron Your tank continues to rebalance, I'm glad to see it.
@jason that stuff is definitely dying off!

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I was going to do water change anyways. Didn't ant ammonia killing everyhing. Nitrates were high too. My hands were tied. But the dinos are crazy of how much these water changes affect them. It sucks. I wish my cyan would grow on sand, not rocks. But oh well. I'll continue with dirty method


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Old 11/27/2015, 09:57 AM   #2250
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Hello dear fellows, small update from me: I'm continuing with the dirty method. I'm feeding unwashed frozen artemia twice a day. Never did a water change since the outbreak (month ago).

There are now "nice" amounts of green algae on the tank glass. Microfauna has recovered so far, there are lots of bristle worms (even small ones), Gammarus and isopods. All these little buggers are feeding on the green algae and accidentally feeding on the there growing dinos too. Snails beginning to breed again there are snail eggs on the glass. The dinos have been influenced by all this, they have completely disappeared from the live rocks. The overall amounts of dinos are not increasing, surfaces that has been cleaned, stay clean. There are dinos on the water surface and on the powerheads.

Did someone else noticed that anemones like RBTA and Condylactis gigantea are shrinking due the outbreak and dirty treatment? Especially the condy doesn't looks good, tentacles are very short and it looks whitish . All over corals are expanded and are looking quite healthy.

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