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10/12/2017, 04:44 PM | #2726 | |
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I would assume it has to do with my no3 and amino additions after my nutrient reduction. Personally, I don’t believe there is a unified theory as to why cyano shows up, nor a nutrient ratio that will actually cause it. There are just too many variables and chemical processes going on in a reef to pinpoint any one cause. I’m not sure I know what ‘peel back the layers of cheato, mechanical filtration and whatever else you have going on to control your nutrients. Objectively see your input and output of nutrients with rate of tank water turnover ratio.‘ means.. Once my fluconazole treatment is done, I will do a good clean out of detritus in my frag tank and fuge, removal as much cyano as I can from the frag rack and add some carbon. In the mean time, my cheato will be working out a new balance now that the bryopsis is gone. If the cyano remains with my aminos and no3 additions stopped, I will does a slime remover... or maybe try wally’s Method of zeobak and coral snow.. although I already use AF’s version of coral snow- Build..
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10/12/2017, 05:11 PM | #2727 | |
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That is your source of problem with the bryopsis dying and short burst of nutrients explosion. Which it happened to me on my previous tank when I did the same treatment. It will go away naturally in about 1 month if you left your cheatos to their job. I do believe there is a good ratio of N:P to stay within to keep the tank looking clean. 22:1 is the magic number that I have come up with after many trial and error. Corals really pump hard with growth and colours if I am feeding that ratio. Which doesn't cause algae bloom issues. |
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10/12/2017, 07:06 PM | #2728 |
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I think i will let the cheato do its thing and not mess with no3 for a while..
Ill see where n goes... i expect it'll drop back down to next to nothing.. maybe ill just let it go this time.. maybe p will follow.. maybe not. I haven't really just let the tank work itself out.. I'll do that this time..
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10/14/2017, 06:11 PM | #2729 |
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Never had good luck with Chaeto or any macro algae. Got tired of the nutrient seesaw. Algae would grow like crazy and nitrate and phosphate would bottom out. Algae would die back and nitrate/phosphate would rise once again.
Not worth the parameter swings at the end of the day.
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10/15/2017, 12:23 AM | #2731 |
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I have experienced more than once chaeto growth stagnation but never died chaeto. IMO when chaeto die the cause is not the lack of nutrients but the lack of something I can not determine. I have a 20g plastic drum full with chaeto ,just a 6w lamp above it and sparingly fed, for amphipods propagation, and surprisingly chaeto is not dying, just not growing.
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Yes.. I will observe this time and watch for a while when n drops out. I won’t immediately reach for the nitrate bottles..
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10/19/2017, 01:06 PM | #2735 |
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Matt -- For me, cyano comes when my nutrients hit zero. It seems in my tank, nutrients allow more dominant life forms to take over where cyano normally would.
Every tank is different though, and one thing that surely seems to mess with cyano is heavy flow. I'm of the belief that 'too much flow' is a non-existent fairy tale. You could probably double your flow and see nothing but happy corals and fish developing muscle |
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I have been dosing AF Build and Probio s nightly to copy Wally’s recipes of zeobak and coral snow. It seem sort of stagnant. It isn’t spreading or thriving right now.. I turned my skimmer back up as well over the past week. I’m sure 3 weeks of almost no skimming didn’t help things, either. I’ll do a frag tank clean out and wc this weekend. And maybe do some tests.. haven’t tested anything but alk in a while. It has been steady between 6.7-7.
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10/20/2017, 04:44 PM | #2737 |
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There's a million ways to skin a Reef Matt, don't sweat the small stuff. Cyano comes and goes. Pests are what really should scare you -- If it's not AEFW, I wouldn't be too worried buddy
And since you were so keen on Fox Flame pics, here's my latest, and one from 2-3 weeks ago (A few days ago) (2-3 weeks ago) Last edited by Rakie; 10/20/2017 at 04:50 PM. |
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Anyways that fox Flame is on fire!! it’s growing like crazy.
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Nice! It’s not so readily available in Canada..
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Matt it's been a while since I've stopped on but your tank still looks damn sexy. The pink matrix and robinhood are stunners for sure good work buddy!
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hey Matt do you still have the siporax online or did you take it off before your cheato started growing insane?
Also I have been thinking about dosing a little bit of iron to help the cheato grow thicker and better.
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Hello.
Few time ago you commented nitrate values around 0.1 and you want to have less than 1 .... what system do you use to measure nitrates? Thanks Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk |
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I’m not sure iron alone will make your cheato grow. I have found in the past that yes iron is the first limiting element to go in a system with cheato but when I dosed iron, it didn’t help for more than a few weeks before cheato shut down again. I think things like potassium, zinc, manganese, iodine- not to mention n and p are all needed. I’ve had the best long term success keeping my cheato happy using Prodibio Bioptim.. it seems to do the trick for me. You can check out what’s in it on their website. Quote:
The only thing I have been doing for the past 6 months or so is use cheato to reduce nutrients.. aside from a protein skimmer, filter socks and periodic waterchanges. As for measuring, I have a salifert and a Red Sea test kit. Salifert is better for higher numbers- above 5 ppm. Red Sea is better for below 5ppm. Ok Tim here are a few new shots of the pink matrix.. Here’s a little closer And a cropped and re sharpened shot.. If you have a close look at the first shot, you’ll notice a recently dead spot.. I have no clue how that happened but the dead app hasn’t changed in a couple days.. not sure if I’ll wake up to a totally rtned coral or if it’ll heal over.. Last weekend I did a red slime remover treatment and I had a few corals completely rtn over night.. generally though, the corals are fine. I have a bunch more shots I took last weekend.. I’ll get to them shortly
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Looking forward to those new pics Matt I'm digging the watermark as well , nice and simple
Odd that only that little tip on the PM has TN'd though, hopefully it's not a sign of ominous things but simply a bit of upset
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So, I haven’t really done anything to the tank besides feed lots of food to the fish and test alk here and there for the past few weeks. Been really busy with family stuff. I haven’t tested anything for quite some time even after the fluconazole, cyano amd cyano treatment..
I really should do that soon.. After the fluconazole, bryopsis disappeared, cyano appeared and my cheato went through a die off. But since dosing rsr and pulling out the dead cheato, it has stabilized and start d growing again.. I’ve been feeding extra food lately because I added a few new evansi anthias and I am trying to keep them alive. I was stupid and bought a few that were too small. The small ones reallynhave trouble adapting because they seem to be only able to swallow very tiny food particles. So, with all the algae kill/die offs and the extra food, I have no idea where nutrients are but generally the corals look pretty good.. Here’s a wide shot or two but I mostly went macrotastic on his shoot.. so much more interesting to me to put together colours, patterns and shapes.. Here’s Pink tip and blueberry wine on top. One of my pink matrices and jf Flame sort of in middle.. Here’s OP on left, a new acquisition from Fragbox called blue monster in middle (I leeerve blue monster) and red diablo on right lower down.. oh and pink lemonade upper left.. Oh yeah! A semi fts.. left hand side Op and pink lemonade with blueberry wine up top I really love this shot.. op, blueberry wine and no name coral.. Blue.. need some blue. I’m on a quest for blue corals.. this guy next to su is growing well.. Another angle next to a bonsai wannabe.. Here’s another close up of op and red coral Mmmm this photo dump is so cathartic!!! I have a few more..
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Yes.. I am hoping it was a chunk of salt or something that landed there. But we all know his hobby.... ominous is always lurking around the next bend.. I hope it’s nothing. ..
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everything is looking great. where is your alk now?
I will have to do some research on the bipotim but it looks like I would have to use 5 every 2 weeks or around 12 a month?
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